Serious question for Dak haters

[cowboyed]

I think what annoys me most about certain people throwing shade on the quarterback by making absolute performance judgments on an exceptional pass and catch in pressure time during the game.

Take Prescott's 58 yard pass completion to Cooper in the comeback against the Falcons. That just wasn't good enough. There were comments it was an ok pass and implying that Dak could have been more accurate because it was a circus catch by Cooper that prevented him from fluidly catching the football in stride, resulting in a sure touchdown.

Meanwhile Cooper yesterday or the day before on video expressed his frustration of not being able to score the touchdown on that pass from Dak because his foot injury was still bothering him and it slowed him down from optimally catching the football and running it into the end zone.

 

[1972COWBOY]

Beating Russel Wilson will be a great start for Dak to prove his haters wrong.

 

[Philmonroe]

Because it’s directly affected your judgement. It’s very possible that you may not be able to discern that.

How has it affected my judgement on the subject at hand?

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm not sure, because Dak wasn't all that great in the first camp, so I don't think they were sure what they had in him yet...he certainly became the successor for sure after the first few regular season games.

I suppose that's accurate but I would submit that once Dak went out there and showed out in those preseason games the coaches started to view him in a different light.

 

[Aviano90]

Dak was 3rd string ! If kellan & romo dont get hurt no telling where he winds up.

Kellen lasted 2 practices that year before getting hurt. Not sure why he keeps being brought up as if Dak couldn’t beat him out. Surely Dak would have risen above him. He definitely wouldn’t have replaced Romo though without injury.

 

[pansophy]

Stats won't change my mind but W's will. I don't care if he passes for 15 TDs and 3500 yards if the team ends up 12-4 I want to keep him. If we end up 8-8 or 9-7 and out of the playoffs it's time to look in another direction, regardless of any gaudy numbers. Romo had plenty of gaudy number seasons that ended up 8-8 so I got no use for that. Now as things stand 8-8 MIGHT win the division this year so a lot stuff is up in the air about that. At some point I expect Philly to get their ish together and make at least a mild run at it. The Giants are toast and the "Football Team" has a big mean front four but as Kyler Murray and co showed last week they can't catch fast people. There's a lot of fast people in the NFL and the Cowboys have their share..

I can’t get behind that logic. Yes the QB is the most important position, but Nick Foles won a super bowl and that doesn’t mean the Eagles thought he was the best option they had.

It’s a team game, perhaps more so than any other sport.

 

[nobody]

I suppose that's accurate but I would submit that once Dak went out there and showed out in those preseason games the coaches started to view him in a different light.

I wouldn't doubt it..but you never really know for sure until the regular season comes along and he kicked butt for that!

 

[RonnieT24]

I can’t get behind that logic. Yes the QB is the most important position, but Nick Foles won a super bowl and that doesn’t mean the Eagles thought he was the best option they had.

It’s a team game, perhaps more so than any other sport.

Of this there can be no doubt. However, if the QB can't do what it takes to win games I don't want him. I need Dak to lead this team to wins.. I don't need him to put up gaudy numbers. If you don't win the game then by definition your guys didn't do enough to win. Since the QB affects the game more than any other player he has more opportunity to "do enough to win" than any other player. So to me the task is simple.. win games.. When you're driving to take the lead late in games don't snap the ball with 14 seconds left on the clock so that Aaron Rodgers has a full two minutes to answer. Milk that sucker down to nothing so that he only has a few seconds. It's a subtle difference but you know it when you see it. For the record I think Dak will get there.. but getting there has been a process. Not unexpected given where he came from but a process nonetheless.

 

[DandyDon52]

Kellen lasted 2 practices that year before getting hurt. Not sure why he keeps being brought up as if Dak couldn’t beat him out. Surely Dak would have risen above him. He definitely wouldn’t have replaced Romo though without injury.

check this out to see what I and others thought of dak as a starter in august 2016
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-debate-tony-or-dak-week-one.354586/

 

[Rockport]

Beating Russel Wilson will be a great start for Dak to prove his haters wrong.

BS in the last 4 plus years he’s already proved them wrong.

 

[Aviano90]

check this out to see what I and others thought of dak as a starter in august 2016
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-debate-tony-or-dak-week-one.354586/

Interesting thread. Thanks for sharing.

My point still remains. So many times people claim Dak is only where he is at due to injuries to Moore and Romo. Otherwise he is stuck at 3rd string. Some even claim Dak wasn’t even good enough to beat Moore out for 2nd string and needed injury to move up.

He didn’t have time due to the quick injury to Moore. Dak is obviously way more talented than Moore was and it would have only been a matter of time that camp before Dak displaced Moore as 2nd string QB. Injury only sped up that process and prevented Dak from doing it through play on the field.

 

[pansophy]

Of this there can be no doubt. However, if the QB can't do what it takes to win games I don't want him. I need Dak to lead this team to wins.. I don't need him to put up gaudy numbers. If you don't win the game then by definition your guys didn't do enough to win. Since the QB affects the game more than any other player he has more opportunity to "do enough to win" than any other player. So to me the task is simple.. win games.. When you're driving to take the lead late in games don't snap the ball with 14 seconds left on the clock so that Aaron Rodgers has a full two minutes to answer. Milk that sucker down to nothing so that he only has a few seconds. It's a subtle difference but you know it when you see it. For the record I think Dak will get there.. but getting there has been a process. Not unexpected given where he came from but a process nonetheless.

I hear you. But I can’t expect Dak to put up 40 pts a game, which is what it is looking like we will need to do a lot this year to have good record.

 

[RonnieT24]

I hear you. But I can’t expect Dak to put up 40 pts a game, which is what it is looking like we will need to do a lot this year to have good record.

I will be fine with 30 a game and no boneheaded turnovers like the one he started the ATL game with. If not for that idiotic fumble maybe we don't go down 20 and maybe we don't NEED 40 to win. If you hand the other team 7-10 points and then lead a furious comeback while putting up great numbers then you become Tony Romo. Nobody here wants another Tony Romo. I know that not every turnover is on the QB but that one was... I believe I am objective enough to see when an INT is a bad throw vs one that hits the receiver in the hands/shoulder/helmet and bounces into a defender's hands. I love Dak and want him to remain our QB for the next 10 years. But not if he can't figure out what it takes to win 10-11 games every year and advance in the playoffs. If the defense continues to be bad then understand that and make sure there are no 3 and outs. Take off and run and get a first down 2-3 times a half so we can control the clock and keep the opposing offense from strafing our defense. Great QBs figure this sort of thing out. Mediocre to good QBs put up numbers but are always at a loss to explain why they don't translate into wins. I want Dak to be great.. not good.. If he's just "good" then we will need a great defense to get to the promised land.. and we are MUCH farther away from having a great defense than we are from having a great QB.

 

[kwcool619]

I have to interject here gentlemen. I was living in the Bay Area at that time and watched that game from start to finish. Alex Smith did a helluva lot more than "manage" that game. He threw for three TDs and ran for another. The 49ers threw it 46 (counting the 4 sacks) times and ran it 22. Smith went toe-to-toe with Brees and won. The other thing that gets forgotten about that season was that the following week in the NFC Championship he had the 49ers up 17-14 at the end of the game when their idiot punt returner muffed a punt to set the Giants up for a tying FG to send the game into OT. Then the same idiot punt returner committed the same sin in OT to set the Giants up for the win. THAT was the game he just manged.. and frankly they should have won that one. But if they had, two teams I hate equally would have been in the Super Bowl. And no matter which one won I wasn't going to be happy. With G-men in there beating the Pats I could at least revel in the Pats fans' misery!

I remember Kyle Williams muff of the punt. He was the goat (not greatest of all time)of that game.

 

[Aviano90]

I remember Kyle Williams muff of the punt. He was the goat (not greatest of all time)of that game.

He muffed 2 punts.

 

[jnday]

And don’t forget, Dak would’ve won the Rams game except for the bogus offensive pass interference on Gallup on that final drive. You haters only look at the final score and react.

The final score is the end-all for all games. Winning games is the only thing that matters at the end of the day. You can play the “if” game all that you want, but the “if” game goes both ways.

 

[Rockport]

The final score is the end-all for all games. Winning games is the only thing that matters at the end of the day. You can play the “if” game all that you want, but the “if” game goes both ways.

Doesn't take away the fact that that pass happened and it was a great play by both Dak and Gallup. He did his part in that play extremely well trying all he could to win. Which is what he does ALL the time but you haters could care less because it takes away from your hate filled trolling agenda.

 

[jnday]

Doesn't take away the fact that that pass happened and it was a great play by both Dak and Gallup. He did his part in that play extremely well trying all he could to win. Which is what he does ALL the time but you haters could care less because it takes away from your hate filled trolling agenda.

There are plenty of plays where Dak would be intercepted “if” the DB could hold on to the ball. You are calling it a great play, but it did nothing to help the Cowboys. It was a negative play that you are praising due to your unbelievable Dak lust.

 

[grgnfg420]

The issue of whether or not Dak is a top 5-10 NFL QB is no longer objectively in question. There is a bias some have against Dak that in my view are not very objective. Having said that, the thing I think many Dak detractors hang their hat on about not liking him is the money issue- thinking he’s not worth $35-39 Mil a year.

But here‘s the reality- All NFL starting QBs that teams want to have long term- are going to be paid a load of cash. The people saying that’s paying too much don’t realize that to have a long term starting QB of even above average ability, costs the most of any one position. You will overpay for that position. It’s a given. And -If not Dak, who? Having a top 10 NFL QB is very expensive.

Dak Prescott is 27 years old and is still getting better. We can win with this guy. He’s literally the least of our problems.

There’s a lot at stake if we pay and get this wrong we’re doomed for years.

 

[Rockport]

There are plenty of plays where Dak would be intercepted “if” the DB could hold on to the ball. You are calling it a great play, but it did nothing to help the Cowboys. It was a negative play that you are praising due to your unbelievable Dak lust.

Go forth and hate. It’s what you do.