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TheDude

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You're making that jump in conclusion, not me. I'm just pointing out that he did something that seemed stupid at the time.

My question to you was because of your reply to this:

I think Jason Garrett means it more as if you don't get the reps, you won't be prepared. Parcells was just a jerk about it, and that makes some guys around here moist, but Garrett's a better motivator and leader than Parcells, in my opinion.
I remember when Parcels forced that OG (Peterman) to go back in the game despite having injured his knee. He blew it out on the next play and was done for the season.


So I inferred you were agreeing that Garrett is a better leader than Parcells since this fact was pointing out a potential Parcells failure.

I would love for someone to point out tangible proof how Garrett is a better leader and motivator.
 

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To me, the best endorsement of any coach is by players after they leave.

They appreciate what they had at the time.

Great coaches like Lombardi, Landry and Parcells were never universally loved. In fact, they were often despised.

But when player revisit their experience later in life, they realize they actually had it pretty good and they learned from the coach.

I doubt anyone will ever say that about Garrett.
 

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I remember when Parcells had 3 winning seasons in 4 years with 2 playoff appearances
 

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I remember when Parcells had 3 winning seasons in 4 years with 2 playoff appearances

But there were a lot of angry fans who felt cheated that he did not win a Super Bowl immediately and resented the fact he used to coach the Giants.

Those very same fans are exactly the ones defending Garrett's continued mediocrity.
 

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Back to the OP.

Do I wish every player was healthy all through training camp and played in every preseason game? Sure

But come on....some of your best players are either coming off injuries and surgeries or have some minor nicks from an arduous camp. These are not rookies; these are guys who have played on Sunday who you want healthy when you need them playing an entire game. Mo was having a very good camp before getting nicked. I'm excited to see him play, but with Scandrick out for the first quarter of the season, I don't give a rat's butt how much any of these guys play in a preseason game or if they play. I want Carr, Mo, Moore, and even Webb as healthy as possible for those four games. I do not want to depend on rookies Mitchell or Patmon in those first four games. I'll take a healthy Mo with no preseason game action after a pretty good camp over any of his backups.

This is a poor defense lacking quality depth across the board, so preseason means nothing; being healthy enough to go at least 2-2 to start the season means everything.
 

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Camp Carrotcake.

lol brilliant. He learned from coach cupcake
They are players non the less and this crap of what BP would tolerate, as for Claiborne he is not a rookie and he is working out at practice so fricken what he is not playing in the game he is not sitting it is working getting ready for the season and only an idiot would put him out there and risk the shoulder over some dumb ars pre season game, especially when you know ahead of time Scandrick will be out and now you would have them risk him as well? lol Damn glad you guys do not run this club you think Jerry is bad I think many of you would be a lot worse

Once I got past the broken english I agreed.
 

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lol brilliant. He learned from coach cupcake


Once I got past the broken english I agreed.

1. Just what actual plan do you project as the basis for approaching injury and progress from the OTA's to weekly game schedules?

2. What are the comparative similarities between Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, and Jason Garrett? (by the way, had you actually seen them in live execution?)
 

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1. Just what actual plan do you project as the basis for approaching injury and progress from the OTA's to weekly game schedules?

2. What are the comparative similarities between Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, and Jason Garrett? (by the way, had you actually seen them in live execution?)

funny is funny. BTW, I am a fan of JG but I've always wondered if he would fit better as Jerry's assistant GM instead of the teams HC.Any question coming from you makes me laugh also as last time you went off about your exploits on here and I told you to get a room you went the report route.
Players need to spend time alone on any stretch and mental aspects of the game. Then show up for more of the same with the trainers and staff. It is long hours of being around the gym feeling comfortable with yogas and the like. This is why players who are gym rats have a better chance to help the team. Film study playbook study and reps, strength training and being on the field with the entire team. There is no definitive answer but real football players know. This team may lack the leader needed to win. Michael Irvin was a leader on the field. And get out of here with you're training plan differences. Any fool can babble some nonsense but if you are not on the inside it is all a hypothesis.
 

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To me, the best endorsement of any coach is by players after they leave.

They appreciate what they had at the time.

Great coaches like Lombardi, Landry and Parcells were never universally loved. In fact, they were often despised.

But when player revisit their experience later in life, they realize they actually had it pretty good and they learned from the coach.

I doubt anyone will ever say that about Garrett.

Watch it now. You may have just stepped in something. You don't like him now but take time to reflect later. ;)
 

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I remember when Parcells had 3 winning seasons in 4 years with 2 playoff appearances

Man! Looking back now it feels good, and also to remember camp cupcake had a well made team handed to him over, and so had it easy the first year.
 

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This team seemingly has a core group of coordinators and coaches with mental toughness. JG just needs to hire the time management coach during the games and concentrate on clapping.

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***/files/2013/11/NS_03cowsZF_34082832_273375.jpg
 

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funny is funny. BTW, I am a fan of JG but I've always wondered if he would fit better as Jerry's assistant GM instead of the teams HC.Any question coming from you makes me laugh also as last time you went off about your exploits on here and I told you to get a room you went the report route.
Players need to spend time alone on any stretch and mental aspects of the game. Then show up for more of the same with the trainers and staff. It is long hours of being around the gym feeling comfortable with yogas and the like. This is why players who are gym rats have a better chance to help the team. Film study playbook study and reps, strength training and being on the field with the entire team. There is no definitive answer but real football players know. This team may lack the leader needed to win. Michael Irvin was a leader on the field. And get out of here with you're training plan differences. Any fool can babble some nonsense but if you are not on the inside it is all a hypothesis.

The Tower of Babble got destroyed in old times of Sodom and Gomorrah, how it was done, at least I can only surmise.

On topics of leadership and products that arise from quality there, I was in the Army. There are intense applications involving just that, as well as schools that one attends as he rises in ranks, to identify and train qualities that are transferable in an instructive/training structure. Football is bound by this none-the-less. Don't be naïve on principals of direction and leadership. There is an analysis as well as incorporated with structured after event analysis and additional planning involved. But the direction and development of those supporting mission, whether this is the M1A1 Abrams with a 120mm main gun, or a football team, are simply, similar.

Tasks are given to players to assist in their individual development. Yea, that includes playbooks, intense film study, small unit technique practices...as well as a progression form OTA's through Training Camp.

But that progression integrates individual actions into team actions. That is upon the concept of crawl, walk, and then run.

At this point, things are merely pointing towards the run phase, when the season starts.

Jason Garrett, first off, he's no one's fool. He is from a football family, that laid deep roots before he even reached the NFL. He has some Rings of his own as a player. He has the experience of staffs from a multiple of teams, both as a player and as a coach. Jason, having graduated from Princeton. The entrance to that place was highly competitive when he entered it's doors. Challenge and training thought process was upon great demand from the start there.

But what you are pointing towards, are valid indicators...but understand those and how those interface now, one has to first step back and observe a generalized series of events.

The very first, was when the team was transferred at a season's mid-way point to Jason, the brought the team back together and they responded with winning. That is no small indicator of leadership.

He then had to walk his team through a new NFL contract, with penalty, and completely rework an offensive line at four positions from the start. That is no minor task without any additional needs. Well, he has accomplished that top of the list need, since the defenses at the top of the NFC are some of the NFL's best. So, that was where available opportunity had to be applied. That is great insight as well as leadership.

Last season, he defensive front and linebackers dropped out as if engaged in actual battle. He was left with green troops. To continue to take those green soldiers to battle, and retain terrain traveled, is nothing short of very good leadership. Pie chart sophistications or not.

He held line!

Now, through the past three camps, the mood has continued to grow, and an aggressive nature was shown this year...not a strawberry cupcake, or even a chocolate one. There were no less that four legitimate fights in two and a half weeks. That, folks is intensity.

As to injury, step back again, and observe. The team is giving game time to players who needs the greatest amounts, when and how the opportunity arises. Wonder about who is starting at MLB? Wonder no more, but the degree of talent in three players at the position are now known.

But on the injury point, the team, unlike Bill Parcells, isn't going into the season greatly hindered by accumulated injuries in starters. Most of the starters from game one, should be at a relatively low degree of injury depletion at the start of the real games. No, the team isn't ignoring toughness, but adjusting to have an overall healthier set of starters to start the season out with. That is in contrast with last season.

Also, when the team adjusts to the weekly gear up to specific team preparations, the work schedule is now arranged to give one additional day of recovery before the backend four days are begun. No, the team isn't getting softer, it is also getting smart.

The old saying in service goes: smarter not harder.

Now, as to my points above...one could have been making up excuses to ignore it or just to insult it, but it did reveal more than an ounce of wisdom that the Army has provided us. And they still are the longest run group in the Country...

But this team is working to where no one quits, and pride is a functional and weekly commodity. As it still grows, one can expect little more...but through the intensities of the past four seasons, it has held ground. But now, has a really dominant offense as well.
 
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