Shanahan comment about Romo

[noshame]

Elway equated to Romo, good grief. Most of you have to be 16 or less Tony played a great game until the last 2 minutes.
With the ball in his hands plenty of time, and 50 yds to win the game, he blew his read, forced the ball and cost his team a shot at a huge win.
When the big game is on the line Tony leaves a big mess in the bed. Over, and over......

 

[Gridiron Man]

A solid defensive line and cohesive defensive play would go a long way in taking some pressure off of Romo. Expecting him to perform as a superhuman gunslinger is leaning far to much on one player. You can only ask for so much from a QB. If we can get the new defensive scheme clicking next season with a draft geared towards the defensive line, we could have a real shot. We seem to have resolved the offensive line issue. Now its time to address the defensive line.

 

[CowboyGil]

You Romo haters seem to forget, coach Shanahan is the first one who compared what Tony is going through to what Elway went through. So go roll your eyeballs at him and see how much credence he gives your opinion.

 

[Kevinicus]

A good running game isn't going to prevent Romo from turning the ball over when a significant game is on the line. There's a reason he has 12 turnovers in 7 elimination games it's because he can't handle big game pressure. Big games come down to QB's having to make plays regardless of their running game. You have to pass the ball to win. On Monday Night Matt Ryan led the Falcons to a go ahead TD with about 2 minutes to play. That was a clutch drive. Then Geno Smith a ROOKIE got his chance and showed poise leading the Jets down the field with less than 2 minutes to play and put them in a position to win the game with a FG. He didn't turn the ball over in that situation he made plays.

He completed 4 passes and scrambled for 3 yards giving his team an opportunity to win the game with time running down. You don't see poise like that from Romo in those situations especially on the road. If you don't have a QB who can make plays in critical situations without turning the ball over you're never going to win a championship. The playoffs and SB's are all coming down to QB's having to make plays to win.

So when Romo leads the team to a score and the defense can't hold, he's not good enough, Matt Ryan does it, and he's clutch? I thought the anti-Romo agenda stipulated that if you lost, you weren't clutch? It's so confusing trying to keep the constantly changing arguments straight.

 

[DFWJC]

For those of us that support Romo this is exactly what we see.

“I think the people that see Tony practice every day and the teammates know what he can do. But you do it as a team,” Shanahan said. “Everybody’s got to do it together. I know when I was with John going into the 15th, 16th year, you had the same people saying that he couldn’t do it throughout his whole career and then when he does it, everybody’s, ‘Ah, well, we knew he could do it.’ It’s the same old thing. You’ve just got to fight through it. You can’t listen to the critics and you’ve got to believe in yourself. And I’m sure that’s what Tony’s doing.”

Archie Manning was on the radio yesterday saying some of the same things.
He said what many here say, that football is not gold or tennis or even baseball pitching--a QB must have a ton of support or he will not succeed. I suspect old Archie is really emphasizing with that right now given that his son, Eli, is having such an horrific season.

But Archie went on to say that Dallas for sure could win a SB with Romo (did not say when) and that he one of the outstanding QBs.

Aside from that, it was funny hearing him describe how strange it in the manning household this year with the two sons having polar opposite seasons.

 

[Future]

When/If Romo wins a Super Bowl it will be the sweetest victory to shut up all the nay sayers.

They'll just say how someone else stepped up and he didn't win it on his own.

 

[burmafrd]

So when Romo leads the team to a score and the defense can't hold, he's not good enough, Matt Ryan does it, and he's clutch? I thought the anti-Romo agenda stipulated that if you lost, you weren't clutch? It's so confusing trying to keep the constantly changing arguments straight.

KJJ is in competition with Gameover for the #2 position as top Romo hater. #1 is sealed up as ufcrules owns that outright.

 

[Rockport]

Elway won a number of playoff games including a clutch performance vs Cleveland in the 86 AFC Championship game (the drive) and played in 3 SB's before finally winning one. He showed he was a clutch performer even during the seasons when Denver kept coming up short. Elways teams got blown out in those SB's it wasn't like they were tight games and he folded in the end when he had to make a play. Denver got so far behind in those games he had to press. Elway played in more SB's than Romo has playoff appearances.

#2 or 3 on the hater/ignorant list.

 

[erod]

Elway won a number of playoff games including a clutch performance vs Cleveland in the 86 AFC Championship game (the drive) and played in 3 SB's before finally winning one. He showed he was a clutch performer even during the seasons when Denver kept coming up short. Elways teams got blown out in those SB's it wasn't like they were tight games and he folded in the end when he had to make a play. Denver got so far behind in those games he had to press. Elway played in more SB's than Romo has playoff appearances.

He also played on dramatically better teams with significantly better defenses and running games.

Tony finally has an offensive line and semblance of a running game. He still has no defense to date.

How many times did Elway score 48 points and lose?

 

[birdwells1]

All QB's choke once in awhile even the very best but that's all Romo's known for. Elway choked in some games but he's best known for one of the most clutch drives in NFL history. There's no significant game that anyone can point to with Romo and say he was clutch in the final minutes of that game.

Yeah I agree, I suspect that Romo suffers from LeBron James disease. The minute that there is an expectancy for him to be great in big moments he shrinks. I think he can overcome this, he just need to be in a big game and have something good happen in that moment. He plays too tight and thinks too much so he doesn't play like the Romo we're accustomed to seeing.

 

[Cebrin]

Apparently I do know Elway played in a different era where few QB's threw for more than 30 TD's in a season. It's a passing league now and every QB's numbers today are inflated. There's average QB's putting up bigger numbers than HOF QB's from years past because the game has changed it's geared towards passing. The last I checked the top 7 all-time passing rating leaders are current QB's. QB's are playing under different rules today open your eyes. That amazing RB you're talking about Terrell Davis isn't even in the HOF. Back in Elway's day you needed a running game to win and a solid defense it's different game today. It's a QB driven league and more is asked of QB's today than ever before. A team with a 2100 yard rusher couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs last season because their QB sucked. Look at the mega numbers Flacco had to produce in the playoffs last season to lead Baltimore to a championship.

Look at the numbers Peyton Manning is putting up this season. You dominate today by throwing the ball and scoring a lot of points. No longer is it 4 yards and a cloud of dust and a great defense. All defenses are struggling today with the rule changes, multiple receiver sets and passing. Denver's defense ranks lower than the Cowboys but they score close to 50 points a game on offense. Only Cowboy FANS would be arguing Romo vs Elway. lol

It is certainly a pass heavy league, no arguing that. It's fastest way from point A to point B. Which is why a good defense is so crucial in this period of time. Tom Brady hasn't won another Superbowl since his stud class defense fell apart years ago with Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Milloy, Law, Hamilton, Poole, Wilson. Not to discredit a fine QB. Brady is a stud. Even as talented is he is. We all know from watching the rivalry that Eli got his rings on a studded defense. Super Bowls (because of a pass happy league) are won every bit as much by the caliber of Defense you have.Yes, defense wins Super Bowls. Here is why. These are the average offense and defensive scoring numbers for Super Bowl teams:

Super Bowl Winner: 25.59 points per game, 15.86 points per game allowed

Super Bowl Loser: 25.67 points per game, 17.00 points per game allowed

During the regular season, the team that loses the Super Bowl actually scores slightly more often than the champion. However, they allow a much more significant 1.14 points per game on average than the winning team. That number continues to hold up in other statistics. The Total Defense of the Super Bowl loser is ranked 9.41 in the NFL on average, while the Total Defense of the winning team is ranked 6.5 on average.The champion of the league is ranked almost 3 spots higher on average than the losing team. On average, they are both ranked ~7th on offense. However, the Super Bowl winner is ranked about 8.7th on defense, while the loser was ranked 11.6th on D. Since 1990, teams ranked 1st or 2nd in scoring defense are 10-2 in the Super Bowl. Both losses (2010 Packers over Steelers, 2004 Patriots over Eagles) came to a team that was also ranked 1st or 2nd in scoring defense. Overall, teams ranked 1st or 2nd in scoring defense are 22-11. 31 of 46 Super Bowl winners had a top 5 scoring defense. 30 Super Bowl winners had a top 5 total defense. Last year being an oddity and Flacco did pretty great. 3 Td's early in the first half, disappeared in the second half. They almost lost that game. Kaepernick is still a little wet behind the ears. Some upside to him though for sure. But lets face it, QB's that think run first, rarely win the big game. I'd put every penny I have that if Tony Romo were in that Super Bowl as a SF 49er, they'd have won a Super Bowl last year.

 

[birdwells1]

#2 or 3 on the hater/ignorant list.

KJJ is one of the best posters here imo.

 

[Rockport]

KJJ is one of the best posters here imo.

Yea, if you hate Romo.

 

[Cebrin]

KJJ is one of the best posters here imo.

I don't agree with his Anti-Romo stuff but, at least he debates with class. I've had several on here in just a little over a month posting, become real childish with me.

 

[Future]

Yea, if you hate Romo.

lol, I think KJJ is a good poster (who am I to talk anyways) but this made me chuckle.

 

[Cebrin]

Elway equated to Romo, good grief. Most of you have to be 16 or less Tony played a great game until the last 2 minutes.
With the ball in his hands plenty of time, and 50 yds to win the game, he blew his read, forced the ball and cost his team a shot at a huge win.
When the big game is on the line Tony leaves a big mess in the bed. Over, and over......

That's why he leads in 4th quarter come back just behind Eli. Or is it because EVERY game has to be a big game for Tony because this defense has only been in the top 10 ONCE since he's been a Cowboy.

 

[Rockport]

lol, I think KJJ is a good poster (who am I to talk anyways) but this made me chuckle.

Of course you would. Like minds.

 

[Cebrin]

Of course you would. Like minds.

Hahaha. I think this guy needs a Shiner.

 

[birdwells1]

I don't agree with his Anti-Romo stuff but, at least he debates with class. I've had several on here in just a little over a month posting, become real childish with me.

I learn most on here from people I disagree with. The "romo suck because he just sucks" crowd or the "romo is the greatest and if you don't agree then you suck" crowd is really annoying. Romos a great qb that has to get over that mental hump and he'll be ok, if he doesn't then he won't imo.

 

[percyhoward]

It is certainly a pass heavy league, no arguing that. It's fastest way from point A to point B. Which is why a good defense is so crucial in this period of time. Tom Brady hasn't won another Superbowl since his stud class defense fell apart years ago with Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Milloy, Law, Hamilton, Poole, Wilson.

Condensed from another post:

Career 4th qtr or OT, margin + or - 7 points
Rodgers 218 of 341 2895 yd 22 td 7 int 103.7
Romo 325 of 529 4534 yd 31 td 13 int 100.1
PManning 513 of 791 5987 yd 39 td 18 int 94.6
Brees 464 of 714 5248 yd 33 td 22 int 89.4
Brady 399 of 657 4868 yd 31 td 22 int 85.3
EManning 285 of 476 3791 yd 32 td 21 int 89.2

Brady's Defense 356 of 679 4030 yd 19 td 37 int 57.1
PManning's Defenses 423 of 734 4505 yd 23 td 39 int 64.0
Rodgers' Defense: 199 of 370 2723 yd 14 td 14 int 74.4
Brees' Defenses 430 of 784 5012 yd 29 td 27 int 72.4
EManning's Defense 326 of 565 4015 yd 30 td 19 int 83.5
Romo's Defense 324 of 550 4131 yd 22 td 14 int 85.2