Shanahan comment about Romo

[KJJ]

Desmond Howard and some guy named Brown says hello. Staubach won a SB MVP because they were afraid to give it to the voted winner D Thomas.

You're going back to different era's it's a QB driven league today where the last 4 SB MVP's have all been QB's. I was discussing Aaron Rodgers who was not only a SB MVP but a league MVP the following year. Larry Brown owes everything to Neil O'Donnell who put him on the map. O'Donnell lost SB XXX with 3 int's. He was terrible in that game we can only be thankful Pittsburgh wasn't being led by a HOF QB that day. He was an average QB who couldn't handle SB pressure. On the 2 int's to Brown it was almost like O'Donnell was throwing to him. Rosie O'Donnell couldn't have made 2 worse throws.

 

[Brooksey]

Not over the past 3 seasons and they've only won ONE elimination game with him in 7 opportunities. You say the Cowboys can win a SB with Romo when the team hasn't ever come close to winning a SB with him. He can't even win an elimination game during the regular season. He got outplayed in a do or die game last season by a rookie QB who was playing on one leg. Romo was outplayed by 2 rookie QB's last season who led their teams to the playoffs.

Elimination games? what are you ESPN? They made that up for Romo because his 4q numbers were so good. BTW both Games with Philadelphia to win the NFC East and the following Playoff Game were elimination games, so go check your records. Romo also has 19 game winning drives since 2007.

 

[KJJ]

Of course they wouldn't and who would compete for anything here in Dallas with 20 years of mediocrity. It isn't Romo's fault. He's been here 7 and this team has sucked 6-7 years and has yet to make it into the top ten in defense. I'm done here.

So the Cowboys sucked in 09? They went 11-5 that season knocking off the 13-0 Saints ON THE ROAD and posted back to back shutouts to close out the regular season. They won the NFC East and won their only playoff game since the 96 season. You don't need a top defense to win the last top defense to win a SB was in 08 and even that defense got shredded in the SB by Kurt Warner. It took a great drive by the Steelers offense to pull that game out in the final seconds which is why QB's have to be able to make plays in critical situations to win championships.

 

[KJJ]

Elimination games? what are you ESPN? They made that up for Romo because his 4q numbers were so good. BTW both Games with Philadelphia to win the NFC East and the following Playoff Game were elimination games, so go check your records. Romo also has 19 game winning drives since 2007.

You're another one who doesn't think elimination games exist? You just said both games with Philly in 09 to win the NFC East and the following playoff game were elimination games. lol You're wrong the season finale vs Philly in 09 for the NFC East title wasn't an elimination game because although Philly lost they still made the playoffs as a wildcard. For a game to be an "elimination game" it has to be win or go home for both teams. It has to be like a playoff game do or die. As for Romo's 19 game winning drives since 07 none of them occurred in an elimination game.

 

[KJJ]

Part of the reason Romo's elimination game record is bad is because 5 of the 7 games were played on the road, what we need to work on is getting home field advantage.

Romo has been awful on the road in elimination games. I mentioned of Romo's 12 elimination game turnovers 11 have come on the road. Hostile environments and Romo don't go well together. With the state of the Cowboys they'll never get home field during Romo's tenure. Just making the playoffs has been a struggle the past 3 years. If the Cowboys miss the playoffs this season with as down as the NFC East is we may be in the middle of a very long playoff drought. Seriously 8-8 and possibly 7-9 will win the division this season.

 

[Vtwin]

Romo has been awful on the road in elimination games. I mentioned of Romo's 12 elimination game turnovers 11 have come on the road. Hostile environments and Romo don't go well together. With the state of the Cowboys they'll never get home field during Romo's tenure. Just making the playoffs has been a struggle the past 3 years. If the Cowboys miss the playoffs this season with as down as the NFC East is we may be in the middle of a very long playoff drought. Seriously 8-8 and possibly 7-9 will win the division this season.

Lol now we've got a new category for Romo. "spotlight" games. lmao

 

[jobberone]

You're going back to different era's it's a QB driven league today where the last 4 SB MVP's have all been QB's. I was discussing Aaron Rodgers who was not only a SB MVP but a league MVP the following year. Larry Brown owes everything to Neil O'Donnell who put him on the map. O'Donnell lost SB XXX with 3 int's. He was terrible in that game we can only be thankful Pittsburgh wasn't being led by a HOF QB that day. He was an average QB who couldn't handle SB pressure. On the 2 int's to Brown it was almost like O'Donnell was throwing to him. Rosie O'Donnell couldn't have made 2 worse throws.

You're making excuses. The point is being a SB MVP doesn't mean you are a great player or you had a great career. And that's what you were using to prop up Eli with his SB MVP. Usually SB MVPs are great but not always. Sometimes it means what it means; you're the MVP of that game. The other thing it points out is it takes more than the QB to win a SB. The fact Roger was the MVP of SB VI was because others helped win the game; in fact Duane Thomas was the MVP of that game even though history says it was Roger. Roger was the distant second place finisher in the ballot for MVP for the game but the person who sponsered it was afraid Duane would muck it up so appointed Roger the winner. The others prove the same thing. Being the MVP of the SB doesn't necessarily mean squat.

 

[03EBZ06]

Then score 52.

Yeah because it is so easy to score 52 point, shoot, it happens every week, right?

 

[Cebrin]

So the Cowboys sucked in 09? They went 11-5 that season knocking off the 13-0 Saints ON THE ROAD and posted back to back shutouts to close out the regular season. They won the NFC East and won their only playoff game since the 96 season. You don't need a top defense to win the last top defense to win a SB was in 08 and even that defense got shredded in the SB by Kurt Warner. It took a great drive by the Steelers offense to pull that game out in the final seconds which is why QB's have to be able to make plays in critical situations to win championships.

See my former post. I believe it's something close to 85% of SB winning teams were in the top 5 in defense. Yeah, I'd say it matters.

 

[DFWJC]

Romo has been terrific in a number of non spotlighted games over his career but in the last 3 minutes of "spotlighted/elimination" games he has more turnovers than TD's while tied or trailing than probably any QB in the league over the past several years. This is why so many have such a negative perception of him. He's been clutch in less critical games against lesser opponents but in the "spotlighted" games he's failed miserably when he's had to make a play either in a come from behind situation or in a tie game.

What is this "spotlighted games" you speak of? Yet another new criteria created just for Romo solely to find away to make him look bad?
First it was playoff games-which is understandable.
But the sample size is so small and Dallas has not played in one for so long, that the elimination game was created. Now it's the spotlighted game.

Give me break.

 

[Cebrin]

So the Cowboys sucked in 09? They went 11-5 that season knocking off the 13-0 Saints ON THE ROAD and posted back to back shutouts to close out the regular season. They won the NFC East and won their only playoff game since the 96 season. You don't need a top defense to win the last top defense to win a SB was in 08 and even that defense got shredded in the SB by Kurt Warner. It took a great drive by the Steelers offense to pull that game out in the final seconds which is why QB's have to be able to make plays in critical situations to win championships.

Oh yeah, the big threatening offense in Roy Williams and Miles Ham-Austin. What a fearsome year for the Cowboys. I remember the beating by Minnesota and Romo laying on his butt the whole game. None of those offense lineman made the cut long after that. The end of their days. Minnesota was 2nd in offense, 10th in defense and 8th in takeaways.Their pro bowl DL killed us. We were simply beat by a better football team.

 

[Cebrin]

I'm sure he's got this guy on his TV nearby.

 

[Eddie]

Yep, gotta agree with Shanahan here. It's unfortunate that so many people (including many here on CZone) buy into the media's portrayal of Romo as an intrinsic choker. "That's just who he is"... the same darn thing was said about Elway 20 years ago, but he kept working and eventually achieved his goal (twice).

If the talent is there, which it certainly is in Romo, then there is always a chance. Just need the right supporting cast and hope that the football gods are on his side for once. He can do it, no doubt in my mind.

Sorry ... Romo and pre-Super Bowl winning Elway are not even close to the same ship. Before Elway won it all, he still got his team to multiple playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances.

Tony Choko hasn't done squat.

He is who he is. A black cat is a black cat no matter how much spray paint or fur dye you try to use. He's shown what he can do ... throw for 500 yards, and then choke when it matters the most.

Same old Tony.

 

[Brooksey]

You're another one who doesn't think elimination games exist? You just said both games with Philly in 09 to win the NFC East and the following playoff game were elimination games. lol You're wrong the season finale vs Philly in 09 for the NFC East title wasn't an elimination game because although Philly lost they still made the playoffs as a wildcard. For a game to be an "elimination game" it has to be win or go home for both teams. It has to be like a playoff game do or die. As for Romo's 19 game winning drives since 07 none of them occurred in an elimination game.

If we lose to Philly in the last game we are eliminated. That's an elimination game for the Cowboys.

 

[starfrombirth]

Your signature is the best, ever.

Thx

 

[Tabascocat]

If we lose to Philly in the last game we are eliminated. That's an elimination game for the Cowboys.

I think that last game was for the division and the loser got a wild card. Dallas already have a playoff spot if I am not mistaken.

 

[WV Cowboy]

He is who he is. A black cat is a black cat no matter how much spray paint or fur dye you try to use. He's shown what he can do ... throw for 500 yards, and then choke when it matters the most.

Same old Tony.

Just think, if the defense had done a better job after the score was 48-41, .. you would have nothing, .. at least for this game, which is all I have been referring to in this thread.

 

[Rockport]

Sorry ... Romo and pre-Super Bowl winning Elway are not even close to the same ship. Before Elway won it all, he still got his team to multiple playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances.

Tony Choko hasn't done squat.

He is who he is. A black cat is a black cat no matter how much spray paint or fur dye you try to use. He's shown what he can do ... throw for 500 yards, and then choke when it matters the most.

Same old Tony.

Funny that all the real football people think and say just the opposite. I choose to believe people like Staubach, Aikman and Shanahan over some ignorant, BSPN watching troll.

 

[Deep_South]

On the NFL Channel, Jeff Garcia had Tony #3 in his top 5 QB countdown.

 

[gbrittain]

Funny that all the real football people think and say just the opposite. I choose to believe people like Staubach, Aikman and Shanahan over some ignorant, BSPN watching troll.

I'm just saying...if throwing for 5 TDs, 500 yards, 140 QB Rating, and an INT in the last two minutes is choking then sign me for one of those games every week. Kind of like if a defense holds Manning to 6 points for 58 minutes but gives up a drive in the last two minutes that produces a field goal and you lose the game 9-7, I will take that performance everyday and twice on Sunday. I will probably also be bright enough to realize my offense was the problem and not my defense, but hey, that's just me.