Shaun O'Hara (Giants Center) on the Phillips 3-4
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Gotcha...theogt;1520723 said:
Again, it's why I asked. I don't mind looking stupid if I honestly don't know.
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IMO, everything comes down to philosophy. Parcells believes in not giving up the big play, shutting down the run, and putting pressure on the quarterback with brute strength.
OTH, Wade believes in getting after the QB, confusing the QB, and confusing the LOS.
Either scheme can work or fail. If Parcells has 1st class, dominant dominant, and I'll say once more, dominant edge pass rushers, his scheme would've been awesome. But in Wades program, you WILL get to the QB period.
If I were Wade, over the next couple of seasons (if he lasts) I would bring in TOP NOTCH corners and super star Free Safety. With the speed at which his rushers get to the QB, if those corners are special, teams may not even score.
OTH, Wade believes in getting after the QB, confusing the QB, and confusing the LOS.
Either scheme can work or fail. If Parcells has 1st class, dominant dominant, and I'll say once more, dominant edge pass rushers, his scheme would've been awesome. But in Wades program, you WILL get to the QB period.
If I were Wade, over the next couple of seasons (if he lasts) I would bring in TOP NOTCH corners and super star Free Safety. With the speed at which his rushers get to the QB, if those corners are special, teams may not even score.
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We'll never know how the defensive scheme would have compared even if we look at next years stats, so there's really no reason to debate it. There are too many excuses no matter what happens. If we get better, excuses will be that we solved our FS position, found a passrusher opposite Ware and the players were in better shape. We do worse and it will be because of adjustments to a new defense, players being too light while taking on blockers and too many people missing OTAs.
Just looking at the Cowboys roster, I think we are better suited to run Phillips 3-4 defense, but whether that leads to better defensive stats or wins, only God knows at this point.
Just looking at the Cowboys roster, I think we are better suited to run Phillips 3-4 defense, but whether that leads to better defensive stats or wins, only God knows at this point.
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We played a whole lot of cover 2 last year, which is notorious for leaving the middle of the field open. We'd leave the subpar-in-coverage James in the middle of the field where he was pretty much clueless. He would do one of two things, not drop deep enough to cover the TE/slot receiver on a seam route or drop too deep to cover the RB coming over the middle for an easy 7-10 yard gain. He just looked so clueless in space last year, that he almost single handedly ruined the cover 2. Now that we are going to pretty much scrap the cover 2 for more cover 3, we should see less of this problem.firehawk350;1520617 said:
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theogt;1520705 said:The fans scream it.Who care what us fans think. Then the opponents say it.
But some people just know better I guess.
I mean, we could have reasoned on this.
But yeah...your way is good, too.
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ThreeSportStar80;1519928 said:Everyone knows Phillips scheme is better.. High risk but real high reward.
Of course Phillips defense was at the top of the league last year... until the risk caught up with him and they dropped to 10th pretty quickly. Of course, overall I think Dallas has better talent on defense than the Chargers. DBs, LBs and the DL.
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WoodysGirl;1520725 said:
Umm, you got that wrong. It's ok to look ignorant if you don't know. It's very bad to just "look stupid". Ignorant implies, it's something you currently have not studied. Stupid implies it's something you are unable to comprehend.
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What we're all hoping is that the players are more excited about the scheme causing them to play better. If they played Parcells scheme the way it was supposed to be played, maybe it was just as good. But Parcells stubborness to adjust sometimes may have discouraged the players.superpunk;1520436 said:
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theebs;1520450 said:
Wrong. Bellichicks defense was the one that brought Parcells success.
Parcells W/L with BB running his defense - 114 Wins, 54 Losses.
Parcells W/L without Bill Belichick running his defense - 58 Wins, 70 Losses, 1 tie.
Read post #8 in this thread:
http://www.dallascowboystalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2605&highlight=Jets
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theogt;1521140 said:
I remember when Parcells was hired, all the talk by rival fans and even some mediots of him being a sub-500 coach without BB by his side. I was a skeptic, but after seeing him flounder, and being unable to make adjustments, the past two years, I believe it to be true.
When Parcells goes to the Hall, he needs to write a 'thanks for everything' letter to BB.
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HoleInTheRoof;1521008 said:
Several players have also said that Parcell's Cowboys version of the 3-4 was NOT the same as his 3-4 with the Jets and Pats ( Ferguson and I think Glenn said that - both Parcell's guys ). The Jets 3-4 was much more aggressive.