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waving monkey

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Henry would keep the defense of the field almost as well.His skills gives us those dirty yards
and will cost pick #34 not #4. Pick #4 goes top rated defensive player [Ramsey or Bosa]
There your team keeps defense off the field and builds the defense. We all read the article about
following the method of the 2005 draft. Build the defensive line this year.
Thats what I'd do.
 

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Interesting as some of the stats would run counter to each other. But the article in question also mentions play calling as a big factor in that stat. Also, if you read the article it talks about a key third and one they failed on in that Packer game. It wasn't McFadden who ran on that play. It was Turbin. The stats on McFadden I linked would suggest that if Dallas was having issues on 3rd and one, it probably wasn't McFadden who was at fault. I seem to remember they also would sub Michael in on some short down and distance situations. Maybe the staff should have let McFadden run more on 3rd and short situations. Further, I think it's easier to stop a TB on 3rd and short when you can sell out on the run when Weeden is under center or Cassel.

Again this isn't to suggest McFadden is a stud TB. He's serviceable, probably more than serviceable. Throw in Morris in the rotation and take a back in the mid rounds and I think that's more than adequate and the Cowboys don't need to spend the 4th pick on Elliott.

It doesn't matter if it was McFadden or the other backs there's no excuse for being that poor on 3rd and one with the best run blocking OL in the league. The OL was suppose to make these backs look good and it didn't happen. The Cowboys had over 400 fewer rushing yards and 8 fewer rushing TD's in 2015 than they had in 2014. Those are the numbers you need to be looking at along with our inefficiency on 3rd and short because that's what put pressure on all our QBs including Romo and is what contributed to our 4-12 season.
 

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Look at the back up QB's last year. The defenses didn't fear our QB's and loaded the line.
The opposing coaches were correct our QB's our simply pitiful.
 

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Murray wasn't an elite RB, a healthy Romo and Dez just made him look like it.

Well, I'm a Murray fan although he's just a pretty good back not a great back. But he didn't make that offense he just made it better. We will step back a tad with the current guys assuming Romo plays but it will be a good run game and there won't be much if any dropoff for the passing game from it.
 

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I wouldn't be talking about me being long on opinion and short on facts when you kept arguing the other day that the Cowboys didn't draft Hershel Walker. :thumbup: The comparisons that can be made is how the team looked during Romo's 4 starts last season. The Cowboys looked very similar to their 8-8 teams with Romo having to carry the offense. Last years opener is a good barometer for how the season might have gone with Romo. He carried us to that win on opening day due to a pair of backs that averaged 3.5 a carry and a defense that continues not being able to make critical stops. There's a reason Romo attempted 45 passes in the opener which were more attempts than he had in any game in 2014. He was on pace for another 40 attempt game when he was injured in Philly.

They selected him in the draft. He wasn't drafted as he signed elsewhere. Look up the word draft. The commissioner even designates a team as selecting so and so. Occasionally even now a player selected doesn't play for the other team. The distinction doesn't mean much these days though as there isn't any competition to speak of. It's not worth discussing unless another league rises up.

Not interested in discussing either with you as you ignore the facts as you stated earlier. We'll just agree to disagree.
 

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If you want to make the playoffs, improve our pass offense and our pass defense. Anything else doesn't affect winning or losing anywhere close to as significantly as those two things. If Elliott doesn't make our pass offense more effective, then he wouldn't be the best use of the fourth overall pick.
 

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I think Morris is the more physical RB. I have to say I was happy with what I saw out of McFadden and I think he will be motivated coming into this season. So many had very low expectation about McFadden and talked about his inability to stay healthy yet I think he showed some good production and showed he could handle a decent about of carries. he did not get the opportunity until week 7 but managed to avg 23 carries a game in that span. I guess all in all I feel pretty good about these 2 RB,

I still have concerns about McFadden's ability to stay healthy, but getting Morris alleviates some of those concerns.
 

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You're very long on opinion and short on facts as well as insight. Trying to compare last year with no QB is fruitless. Teams knew we couldn't score or pass so they geared up to stop what we could do. And we still ran the ball well considering no passing attack.

In fact there is no way to get you to understand so I won't say more.
Very, very well said.
 

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It doesn't matter if it was McFadden or the other backs there's no excuse for being that poor on 3rd and one with the best run blocking OL in the league. The OL was suppose to make these backs look good and it didn't happen. The Cowboys had over 400 fewer rushing yards and 8 fewer rushing TD's in 2015 than they had in 2014. Those are the numbers you need to be looking at along with our inefficiency on 3rd and short because that's what put pressure on all our QBs including Romo and is what contributed to our 4-12 season.

I know all of those stats. But the reality is this offense only works with Romo. It's a flaw of this coaching staff IMO.
 

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If the Cowboys draft Ezekiel Elliott, the Cowboys will go to the playoffs, but will likely fall short of going deep into the playoffs due to holes on defense.

If the Cowboys draft anywhere on defense with the 4th pick, they will be picking high again in 2017.

Discuss

Could be true. Elliott will certainly be the biggest 2016 impact player to draft. He walks in drunk and takes the starting position.

I have one....

If the Cowboys don't draft a QB in the first round we will all look back at that decision with serious regret. Things like RBs and CBs will be completely irrelevant at that point.
 

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I know all of those stats. But the reality is this offense only works with Romo. It's a flaw of this coaching staff IMO.

We've known for years that the offense only works with Romo but it works more efficiently with him when he has a solid, consistent running game. If McFadden was the answer some of these mock drafts wouldn't have the team taking Elliott.
 

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I know all of those stats. But the reality is this offense only works with Romo. It's a flaw of this coaching staff IMO.

A flaw of pretty much every staff needing their elite QB to make it work.
 

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So you claimed that the Cowboys were the worst team in the league on 3rd and one. I asked you to substantiate that claim. I can't quite find that specific stat but I've found others that would seem to refute your claim.
It's an extremely misleading claim, for many reasons. First, the ranking applies to both run and pass plays on 3rd and 1. When you remove the pass plays on 3rd and 1, the ranking goes up to 27th. Then when you stop and think, "Why just 3rd and 1? Isn't 3rd and 2 also short yardage?" you see the ranking go up to 22nd. Then you think a little more, and you realize this completely leaves out 4th down -- an even more critical short-yardage situation than 3rd down. Now the ranking goes up to 17th.

All of a sudden, you realize our short-yardage run game wasn't the league's worst after all, but instead was middle of the league. Maybe you still think, "Well that was the McFadden effect. We dropped from the 10th-best short-yardage running team in 2014 down to 17th in 2015 because McFadden replaced Murray." You can find out if that's true by comparing their conversion percentages on short-yardage runs.

2014 Murray 19 of 26 (73.1%)
2015 McFadden 13 of 17 (76.5%)

Add in runs from the 1- or 2-yard line on 1st or 2nd down (which are also short-yardage plays), and it looks like this:

2014 Murray 25 of 32 (78.1%)
2015 McFadden 15 of 21 (71.4%)

I think it's important that the only thing separating the short-yardage performances of the two backs is their 1st- and 2nd-down goal-line runs. It tells me that there must have been something different about the goal line runs, but what? Did Murray just have more of a nose for the goal line? That sounds good, but it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't also have had more of a nose for the first down marker. So it must have been something besides the RB. I think it was the QB, and the different ways that defenses approached short yardage, based on who the QB was. I think that near the goal line in 2015, defenses were able to concentrate their resources on stopping the run because they didn't have a large area of field to cover. In 2014, we had a QB and a #1 WR who were able to exploit defenses near the goal line when those defenses cheated toward the run.

I can test this theory by comparing the early part of the season with the rest of the season. How often did we run early in the season, and how successful were we, before defenses started taking away the run? Was there any difference compared to the rest of the year? Well, yes, there was a huge difference both in how often we ran, and how successful we were.

from 5-yard line or closer
% of runs resulting in TD
2014 (all 16 games) 9 of 17 (53%)
2015 (games 1-6) 5 of 7 (72%)
2015 (games 7-16) 0 of 3 (0%)
 

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If you want to make the playoffs, improve our pass offense and our pass defense. Anything else doesn't affect winning or losing anywhere close to as significantly as those two things. If Elliott doesn't make our pass offense more effective, then he wouldn't be the best use of the fourth overall pick.

A great running game would improve the passing game. Rather or not Zeke could provide that, though, truly is anybody's guess. But based on observations and the so-called draft experts, he could be special.

To be clear though, I'm not suggesting that is necessarily the right move; just the more entertaining one.
 

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A flaw of pretty much every staff needing their elite QB to make it work.

Not as much as it does here. NE won with Cassel playing for Brady that one season, for example. Other teams won some games last year without their elite QBs.

Everyone did it but Dallas, it seems.
 

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We've known for years that the offense only works with Romo but it works more efficiently with him when he has a solid, consistent running game. If McFadden was the answer some of these mock drafts wouldn't have the team taking Elliott.

Lets put it another way. Dallas would have had a worse rushing attack in 2014 if Romo had also missed 12 games that year too.

Do you disagree?
 

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If you want to make the playoffs, improve our pass offense and our pass defense. Anything else doesn't affect winning or losing anywhere close to as significantly as those two things. If Elliott doesn't make our pass offense more effective, then he wouldn't be the best use of the fourth overall pick.


Elliot is not Mendenhall, gimme a break.

Zeke does improve the pass Offense .. and the pass Defense as well, with one selection.
 

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Lets put it another way. Dallas would have had a worse rushing attack in 2014 if Romo had also missed 12 games that year too.

Do you disagree?

Without Romo it would have been worse but I still believe we would have had a much more productive running game than we had last season. There's little doubt in my mind on that. Murray is a more talented back than any of the backs we had last season. Naturally if you don't have at QB it can affect you but if you have a talented runner behind a terrific OL they'll still be productive despite their QB situation. Adrian Peterson put over 2000 yards in 2012 despite no real passing threat with Christian Ponder. Barry Sanders produced every season in Detroit despite QB issues.

If you pair a solid runner especially a great runner with arguably the best OL in football there's no question they're going to be very productive despite their QB situation. There's too many examples of great backs producing despite a poor to average QB situation. I keep mentioning during Romo's 4 starts last season only once did the Cowboys run the ball efficiently and that was against Miami. Losing our top rusher and arguably our MVP from 2014 hurt the team.
 
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