Should Carr have taken a knee at the one?

[AmericasTeam31]

Again, there was less than 2 minutes left and the Giants had one TO left. With three knee downs, we could have nearly run out the clock and still gone up by two scores, making attempt thereafter moot.

They had two timeouts left....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No offense, but you are not making an argument. You are just saying the same thing over and over. It comes down to this -- would you rather be up by 12 with 1:50 left, or up by 9 with 20 seconds left? I'll take the latter situation every day of the week.

But again, this is an intellectual football hypothetical, which can be difficult for those with a "black and white" football mind. It's certainly not a criticism of Carr, but just a exercise in football intellect.

This is not a black and white and it is sure not an intellectual hypothetical it is a... You are over thinking it and making yourself look silly argument you are making and if someone says something about it you think they don't get what you are saying. We get what you are saying...we just think it is silly.

Get it?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

They had two timeouts left....

Are you sure? They only took one on the next series. That would certainly change a bit of my analysis.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

This is not a black and white hypothetical it is a... You are over thinking it and making yourself look silly argument you are making and if someone says something about it you think they don't get what you are saying. We get what you are saying...we just think it is silly.

Get it?

You can call something silly, but unless you can back that statement up with an argument, you are just making yourself look silly. And if you think the discussion is silly and you have nothing to offer, then please feel free to not contribute.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You can call something silly, but unless you can back that statement up with an argument, you are just making yourself look silly. And if you think the discussion is silly and you have nothing to offer, then please feel free to not contribute.

Everybody is telling you this. It is a silly argument and everyone but you sees it.

But you are right. I am wasting my time with a person who is defending a silly argument to the point that he will say whatever to continue defending a silly argument.

Out, you win.

SMH

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Everybody is telling you this. It is a silly argument and everyone but you sees it.

But you are right. I am wasting my time with a person who is defending a silly argument to the point that he will say whatever to continue defending a silly argument.

Out, you win.

SMH

Haha, when you discover more adjectives than "silly," come back and maybe we can have a discussion about the intricacies of football.

 

[Kevinicus]

No offense, but you are not making an argument. You are just saying the same thing over and over. It comes down to this -- would you rather be up by 12 with 1:50 left, or up by 9 with 20 seconds left? I'll take the latter situation every day of the week.

But again, this is an intellectual football hypothetical, which can be difficult for those with a "black and white" football mind. It's certainly not a criticism of Carr, but just a exercise in football intellect.

It's okay, some people are bad at math. It is definitely a valid thought and I had the same as he was walking in the end zone. The fact that Eli was moving the Giants down the field quickly only supports your suggestion as nearly 2 minutes makes it a possibility they still score twice with an onside kick (which they almost had a shot at).

 

[bigdnlaca]

Carr should only do that if the Giants had one timeout imo. That way, let just assume the Cowboys miss the field goal, there would be a little over 20 seconds left on the clock with no timeouts and Eli needs to go 90 plus yards for a td.

Because, the Giants had two T.O., it was best to get the sure score, make it a two possession game, and force the Giants burn the timoeouts and clock which I think the Cowboys did an ok job in.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Carr should only do that if the Giants had one timeout imo. That way, let just assume the Cowboys miss the field goal, there would be a little over 20 seconds left on the clock with no timeouts and Eli needs to go 90 plus yards for a td.

Because, the Giants had two T.O., it was best to get the sure score, make it a two possession game, and force the Giants burn the timoeouts and clock which I think the Cowboys did an ok job in.

Yeah, I think I agree with this analysis.

 

[cannonball44]

Thread isn't worthy of anything more

Agreed.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Agreed.

Ha, hilarious how those dismissing the question can't seem to vocalize an intellectual reason as to why they are dismissing it.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I felt pretty confident that the gints would score when they got the ball prior to the last INT. That is Eli's strength, that is what he does.

I also felt that way after the INT.

I always feel a little more comfortable if the other team needs a TD than if they only need a FG after recovering an on-sides kick.

Since we got the on-sides, your way and Carr's would have worked.

But only needing a FG in that situation makes me a nervous wreck.

My only regret was not Carr not scoring, it was not getting the 2 pt conversion.

 

[Cowboys22]

If I'm not mistaken, the Giants only had one TO left. Three kneel downs and a FG attempt would have left maybe 30 seconds on the clock left, maybe even less. And they certainly would not have completed a 80 TD on our prevent D.

This is the answer to the question. It all depends on how many TOs the other team has. If you can take a knee at the 1 and run out the clock with 3 kneel downs, then yes that is the correct play but it may be a little too much to ask of a CB who just intercepted the ball and sees open field in front of him to calculate whats going on in those terms. That would need to be something coming from the sideline before each play. The coach telling the captain to tell the team if anyone gets an INT just kneel down.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm almost positive that the G-Men only had 1 timeout. Thus, kneeling at the 1 was the best move. But, if you kneel at the 1 you probably have a 99.5% chance of winning. If you score the TD you probably have a 99% chance of winning.






YR

 

[Oh_Canada]

If I'm not mistaken, the Giants only had one TO left. Three kneel downs and a FG attempt would have left maybe 30 seconds on the clock left, maybe even less. And they certainly would not have completed a 80 TD on our prevent D.

Well, that eighty yard drive left them with .11 seconds and needing a TD. Who knows what happens with Dallas trying to "run" out the clock? Don't get your logic.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm almost positive that the G-Men only had 1 timeout. Thus, kneeling at the 1 was the best move. But, if you kneel at the 1 you probably have a 99.5% chance of winning. If you score the TD you probably have a 99% chance of winning.

YR

The Giants had 2 timeouts.

1. New York Giants at 01:50
2. 5-D.Bailey kicks 65 yards from DAL 35 to end zone, Touchback. Ball was kicked out of the end zone.
3. 1-10-NYG 20 (1:50) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short right to 33-D.Scott pushed ob at NYG 26 for 6 yards (54-B.Carter).
4. 2-4-NYG 26 (1:44) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short middle to 83-B.Myers to NYG 36 for 10 yards (54-B.Carter).
5. 1-10-NYG 36 (1:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short middle to 83-B.Myers to NYG 45 for 9 yards (50-S.Lee).
6. 2-1-NYG 45 (1:04) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short right to 83-B.Myers to DAL 36 for 19 yards (42-B.Church).
7. Timeout #2 by NYG at 00:56.
8. 1-10-DAL 36 56) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short left to 80-V.Cruz. Shuffle pass; Scandrick closest defender; heavy pressure by Wilber
9. 2-10-DAL 36 48) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short right to 33-D.Scott to DAL 13 for 23 yards (42-B.Church).
10. Timeout #3 by NYG at 00:40.
11. 1-10-DAL 13 40) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short right to 33-D.Scott to DAL 4 for 9 yards (54-B.Carter).
12. 2-1-DAL 4 18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to 83-B.Myers (50-S.Lee).
13. 3-1-DAL 4 16) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short middle to 83-B.Myers for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
14. 3-J.Brown extra point is GOOD, Center-51-Z.DeOssie, Holder-5-S.Weatherford.
15. NYG 31 DAL 36 Plays: 9 Possession: 1:39
16. Dallas Cowboys at 00:11
17. 3-J.Brown kicks onside 11 yards from NYG 35 to NYG 46. 50-S.Lee (didn't try to advance) to NYG 46 for no gain.
18. 1-10-NYG 46 10) 9-T.Romo kneels to NYG 47 for -1 yards.
19. END GAME
20. NYG 31 DAL 36 Plays: 1 Possession: 0:11

There is nothing guaranteed. You run the ball into the endzone for the score in that situation just as Carr did. What if he does stop at the one and on the very next snap there is a fumbled exchange between the center and QB for Dallas? Almost anything can happen at any given moment. When you can definitely score a TD and provide a double digit lead, you do so.

 

[KB1122]

Technically, the answer is probably yes, if they had one time out.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Whether he should or shouldn't doesn't matter. He was taking it all the way regardless.

"It was a running back screen coming my way," Carr said. "Just that play, I had a vision on the quarterback and by the time he was going to throw it, I put my foot in the ground and running and it just so happened the ball was tipped up and it fell into my hands and it was off to the races. You got to get to the end zone."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...emarcus-ware-calms-down-and-leads-the-defense

 

[hra8700]

I'm almost positive that the G-Men only had 1 timeout. Thus, kneeling at the 1 was the best move. But, if you kneel at the 1 you probably have a 99.5% chance of winning. If you score the TD you probably have a 99% chance of winning.






YR

Yep kneeling down would be the correct move. But scoring the td is more fun and not much different in terms of outcome.

 

[big dog cowboy]

My only regret was not Carr not scoring, it was not getting the 2 pt conversion.

I did curse when we failed that attempt.