CFZ Should Herschel Walker be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

[kskboys]

It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the the NFL Hall of Fame. Any pro experience can count. Obviously that doesn't mean voters give equal weight to all pro experience.

Can. Doesn't mean it will.

Offhand, I'd say it counts very little.

 

[kskboys]

BS. The USFL was taking Hall of Fame talent from the NFL in drafts. I watched both leagues back then and there was no question that the USFL had superior talent.

Have to agree. Don't get me wrong, USFL was a tick below the NFL, but there was a ton of NFL quality talent there. Don't forget Jim Kelly.

 

[OmerV]

Can. Doesn't mean it will.

Offhand, I'd say it counts very little.

Voters aren't doing their job if they don't consider it, but I agree it will given much less weight than NFL

 

[Fmart322]

I don't disagree that USFL stats should count. I do, however, think they should be given somewhat less weight than NFL stats

Fair enough. How about canadian football stats?

 

[Fmart322]

No, they didn't. Warren Moon retired w/ top 5 numbers everywhere. His NFL numbers alone were easily enough to get him in.

I'm not knocking Warren Moons stats at all. I believe he deserved to go to the HOF just on his NFL numbers alone.
I was just pointing out how his CFLs stats were added to his numbers to bump up his chances of going to Canton.

 

[OmerV]

Fair enough. How about canadian football stats?

Same thing, unless there is something in the Hall of Fame rules that only American pro leagues count. I'm pretty sure there isn't though.. They should count, but not given the same weight as NFL stats.

 

[triplets_93]

No

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'd say yes, in the NFL the teams he played for weren't very good, he rushed for over 1,500 yards for Dallas in 1988, a 3-13 record team, for example.

But he won't make it to the HOF, imho...

 

[kskboys]

I'd say yes, in the NFL the teams he played for weren't very good, he rushed for over 1,500 yards for Dallas in 1988, a 3-13 record team, for example.

But he won't make it to the HOF, imho...

He only had 2 thousand yd rushing seasons. He was mostly a subpar RB.

 

[MikeB80]

No. Never.

he belongs under the care of a doctor 24/7. The guy is a raging lunatic.

 

[OmerV]

No. Never.

he belongs under the care of a doctor 24/7. The guy is a raging lunatic.

Not the brightest or even most moral guy you could find, but that's not the criteria. I still think he's a very questionable candidate though

 

[kskboys]

Same thing, unless there is something in the Hall of Fame rules that only American pro leagues count. I'm pretty sure there isn't though.. They should count, but not given the same weight as NFL stats.

The HOF is strictly an NFL thing. I don't care what they call it, it's the NFL HOF. If it wasn't, Doug Flutie and Clint Dolezal would be in. Clint Dolezal had 931 TD passes professionally.

Maybe they give the USFL and CFL stats a slight nod or something, but those stats have pretty much nothing to do with HOF voting.

 

[kskboys]

Not the brightest or even most moral guy you could find, but that's not the criteria. I still think he's a very questionable candidate though

I don't think he's even close.

If they truly count USFL stats, then he would have around 14,000 yds rushing and he'd be a first balloter. I don't think they do.

 

[kskboys]

Same thing, unless there is something in the Hall of Fame rules that only American pro leagues count. I'm pretty sure there isn't though.. They should count, but not given the same weight as NFL stats.

Why should they count?

 

[OmerV]

The HOF is strictly an NFL thing. I don't care what they call it, it's the NFL HOF. If it wasn't, Doug Flutie and Clint Dolezal would be in. Clint Dolezal had 931 TD passes professionally.

Maybe they give the USFL and CFL stats a slight nod or something, but those stats have pretty much nothing to do with HOF voting.

That's clearly not true. There are a number of players in the HOF that wouldn't have made it without counting their time in the AFL

Lance Alworth, Len Dawson, George Blanda, Buck Buchanan, Floyd Little, Bobby Bell, Nick Buouniconti, Don Maynard etc ...
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[OmerV]

Why should they count?

If pro football outside the United States isn't allowed, it shouldn't count. It all depends on whether the HOF is restricted to American Teams

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When the AFL and NFL merged in 1970, all the statistics compiled by the players in the AFL were included in their official statistical history. But when the USFL folded in the mid-1980's, the statistics compiled by the players, including luminaries like Herschel Walker, Reggie White and Jim Kelly were not included in their overall professional football statistics. That is why Bruce Smith is credited with the most sacks in history (200) ahead of Reggie White (198.) If you include the 23.5 sacks Reggie White had while playing in the USFL in 1984 & 1985, Reggie White is the clear #1 all-time sacks leader with 221.5 sacks in his Pro Football career.

In the USFL playing for the New Jersey Generals, Herschel Walker had 7,115 yards from scrimmage.

• 1,143 rushing attempts for 5,562 yards
• 130 receptions for 1,484 yards
• 3 kick returns for 69 yards.

Currently, Herschel Walker ranks 48th in NFL history in total yards from scrimmage, sandwiched between HOF RB Roger Craig at #47, and HOF WR Art Monk at #49. He is 2 spots ahead of soon-to-be HOF TE Jason Witten, who is ranked 50th all-time on the total yards from scrimmage list.

In the NFL, Herschel Walker has a total of 18,168 total yards from scrimmage.

• 1954 rushing attempts for 8,225 yards
• 512 receptions for 4,859 yards
• 215 kick returns for 5,084 yards

If you added his USFL statistics, Herschel Walker would rank #1 on the Total Yards from Scrimmage list with 25,283 yards compiled - 1,743 yards ahead of currently ranked #1 Jerry Rice, and 3,704 yards ahead of currently ranked #2 Emmitt Smith. Even if you exclude his kick return yardage, he would rank 4th all-time, behind Walter Payton with 20,130 Total Yards rushing and receiving.

Walker, even without his USFL statistics currently ranks 45th all time in rushing yards, ahead of HOF players Roger Craig, Larry Czonka, and Terrell Davis. If you add his USFL numbers, he has a total of 13,787 total rushing yards, which would rank him 7th all-time, ahead of HOF RB LaDanian Tomlinson, and just behind HOF RB Curtis Martin. Walker's receiving yards would rank 197th all-time, and his kick return yards would rank 32nd all-time.

In Canton, they call it the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame. I'm not sure how they can justify excluding Herschel Walker from among the luminaries inducted into company of legends already included therein.

no, he doesn't deserve to. you don't get in as a returner and RB. you get in because you were top 5 in your position for several years and dominated. he had one dominant season and bunch of average ones. He wasn't a dominant kick returner or specialist as hester or few others.

I don't think he deserves to be in HOF as a RB, since he just wasn't dominant enough.

 

[LatinMind]

When the AFL and NFL merged in 1970, all the statistics compiled by the players in the AFL were included in their official statistical history. But when the USFL folded in the mid-1980's, the statistics compiled by the players, including luminaries like Herschel Walker, Reggie White and Jim Kelly were not included in their overall professional football statistics. That is why Bruce Smith is credited with the most sacks in history (200) ahead of Reggie White (198.) If you include the 23.5 sacks Reggie White had while playing in the USFL in 1984 & 1985, Reggie White is the clear #1 all-time sacks leader with 221.5 sacks in his Pro Football career.

In the USFL playing for the New Jersey Generals, Herschel Walker had 7,115 yards from scrimmage.

• 1,143 rushing attempts for 5,562 yards
• 130 receptions for 1,484 yards
• 3 kick returns for 69 yards.

Currently, Herschel Walker ranks 48th in NFL history in total yards from scrimmage, sandwiched between HOF RB Roger Craig at #47, and HOF WR Art Monk at #49. He is 2 spots ahead of soon-to-be HOF TE Jason Witten, who is ranked 50th all-time on the total yards from scrimmage list.

In the NFL, Herschel Walker has a total of 18,168 total yards from scrimmage.

• 1954 rushing attempts for 8,225 yards
• 512 receptions for 4,859 yards
• 215 kick returns for 5,084 yards

If you added his USFL statistics, Herschel Walker would rank #1 on the Total Yards from Scrimmage list with 25,283 yards compiled - 1,743 yards ahead of currently ranked #1 Jerry Rice, and 3,704 yards ahead of currently ranked #2 Emmitt Smith. Even if you exclude his kick return yardage, he would rank 4th all-time, behind Walter Payton with 20,130 Total Yards rushing and receiving.

Walker, even without his USFL statistics currently ranks 45th all time in rushing yards, ahead of HOF players Roger Craig, Larry Czonka, and Terrell Davis. If you add his USFL numbers, he has a total of 13,787 total rushing yards, which would rank him 7th all-time, ahead of HOF RB LaDanian Tomlinson, and just behind HOF RB Curtis Martin. Walker's receiving yards would rank 197th all-time, and his kick return yards would rank 32nd all-time.

In Canton, they call it the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame. I'm not sure how they can justify excluding Herschel Walker from among the luminaries inducted into company of legends already included therein.

Been waiting for the day. The reason I'm a cowboys fan

 

[kskboys]

That's clearly not true. There are a number of players in the HOF that wouldn't have made it without counting their time in the AFL

Lance Alworth, Len Dawson, George Blanda, Buck Buchanan, Floyd Little, Bobby Bell, Nick Buouniconti, Don Maynard etc ...
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AFL became part of the NFL. So in essence it was the NFL. Completely different case than counting USFL or CFL stats.

I disagree, I think it's clearly true, and is very clearly shown by who is in and who is not.

If they are counted as you say, then why isn't Doug Flutie in? There are countless players who tore it up in the CFL, and not a one of them is in unless they were also dominant in the NFL.

I think on a scale of 1 to 10, the CFL is counted as .1.

BTW, AFL stats are clearly counted. I am not arguing that at all.

 

[kskboys]

If pro football outside the United States isn't allowed, it shouldn't count. It all depends on whether the HOF is restricted to American Teams

It pretty much is. Show me these players who are in due to out of country numbers.