CFZ Should Herschel Walker be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

OmerV

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I think people keep overlooking this I mean zeke has good enough stats if we're talking about comparing him to Herschel Walker and comparing him to other players with similar stats but no championship or Super Bowl rings to go with it.. I mean zeke's played what four last years and still above Herschel walkers NFL production so I'd say he's out unless they're both considered in as good as Derek Henry's been how long do you think he's going to play he and alligator or tied right now or at least really close??

we can't put Sanders in this debate because Sanders literally retired he could have been the number one overall running back as far as yards go but quit just short..he most likely gets in as hes 4th all time still being out that lone. Gores the only one that passed him all this time hes been retired. THey both nearly have double the walker production.

Herschel Walker in the NFL doesn't have enough stats to even get close to Barry Sanders, people going to stop adding his USFL stats cause that don't count. I mean Ezekiel Elliot could have an argument that his Ohio State University teams were as good as those USFL teams and he put up back-to-back 1800 yards in college dropping 200 yard games in the college playoffs...

What scratches my head is how did the league allow Gale Sayers to be in he has none of the above he doesn't have gaudy stats he doesn't have any playoff pedigree he doesn't have any championships or rings to go with it no team success this guys Stats were not impressive to me ..

So when they open the door and allow guys in over potential then they have to consider other guys..

sayers is 156 on the run yards list Russel Wilson, yes a QB has more bet there are other qbs with more..how he got it in just popularity vote.
The thoughts about Sayers are ones that I think a lot of people have. Yes he was great, and yes, it was injury that held him back from being as great as he could have been, but regardless of the reason, he didn't accomplish what normally might be expected to get in the HOF.

The question you asked about how the league allowed it has to be looked at realistically though, because the "league" isn't who decides. In fact, the HOF isn't the NFL HOF at all. It's the Pro Football HOF. Players are elected by the vote of a committee that is made up mostly of media representatives, and the NFL has no direct involvement

That's not to say the NFL can't influence. If the NFL were to ban a player (like MLB did with Rose), that person is unlikely to get in. But ultimaately, voters can choose who they want, and if a player has a very favorable perception among voters, as did Sayers, that helps his chances.
 

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Of course he should. If you factor in his USFL stats along with his NFL numbers he makes it no problem.
The let Warren Moons CFL factor into their HOF decision.
 

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Of course he should. If you factor in his USFL stats along with his NFL numbers he makes it no problem.
The let Warren Moons CFL factor into their HOF decision.
Moon's CFL stats counted, but realistically he retired with the 3rd most passing yards in NFL history, so the voters didn't really need his CFL stats to vote him in
 

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Moon's CFL stats counted, but realistically he retired with the 3rd most passing yards in NFL history, so the voters didn't really need his CFL stats to vote him in
I know that but with his combined NFL and USFL stats of 13,787 rushing yards which would place him in the top 10 among all-time NFL running backs.
He also had 4859 receiving yards plus 5084 kickoff return yards.
Giving him a total of 23,730 all purpose yards.
Most of these yards were on some bad to average teams.
 

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I know that but with his combined NFL and USFL stats of 13,787 rushing yards which would place him in the top 10 among all-time NFL running backs.
He also had 4859 receiving yards plus 5084 kickoff return yards.
Giving him a total of 23,730 all purpose yards.
Most of these yards were on some bad to average teams.
I don't disagree that USFL stats should count. I do, however, think they should be given somewhat less weight than NFL stats
 

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Is it a prerequisite to say yes to the thread topic? I only see yeses. I'm saying no he hasn't done enough to be in the HoF but he definitely belongs in the Hall of very good. His biggest mention in NFL history is being part of "The Trade" that Jerry Jones put together to build what became the Cowboys dynasty in the '90s.
 
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Is it a prerequisite to say yes to the thread topic? I only see yeses. I'm saying no he hasn't done enough to be in the HoF but he definitely belongs in the Hall of very good. His biggest mention in NFL history is being part of "The Trade" that Jerry Jones put together to build what became the Cowboys dynasty in the '90s.
I think this is valid. I haven't been a "yes" either, but I haven't been a firm, unwavering "no". He does not have the NFL production for it, so the question is how much weight to give to his USFL stats. Without question I don't think USFL stats should carry as much weight as NFL stats.
 

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Of course he should. If you factor in his USFL stats along with his NFL numbers he makes it no problem.
The let Warren Moons CFL factor into their HOF decision.
No, they didn't. Warren Moon retired w/ top 5 numbers everywhere. His NFL numbers alone were easily enough to get him in.
 

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Moon's CFL stats counted, but realistically he retired with the 3rd most passing yards in NFL history, so the voters didn't really need his CFL stats to vote him in
They did? I'm not sure that's accurate.
 

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CFL statistics are "allowed" to be included, according to HOF guidance.
Which of course is lousy; I don't think it should be allowed but if you are going to do it make it consistent. EITHER SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT.
 

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No, they didn't. Warren Moon retired w/ top 5 numbers everywhere. His NFL numbers alone were easily enough to get him in.
Numbers are not everything; Vinny Testerverde had a lot of numbers and who thinks he belongs?
 

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Numbers are not everything; Vinny Testerverde had a lot of numbers and who thinks he belongs?
You think Testaverde and Moon are the same player? Mannnnnn, I guess you're a youngster and weren't watching football back then?
 

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Nope.

CFL talent > USFL "talent"

He was a big fi$h in a puddle of a league.
 

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You think Testaverde and Moon are the same player? Mannnnnn, I guess you're a youngster and weren't watching football back then?
Have to laugh at the butt hurt in that comment. My point is that numbers are not everything and you think they are.
 

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Have to laugh at the butt hurt in that comment. My point is that numbers are not everything and you think they are.
Butt hurt? Swwwiiiiiiinngggggg and a miss. Have to laugh at how badly you missed on this one!!!!!!!!

See, you have to make stuff up in a pathetic attempt to win when you're losing badly. Do you even know what you made up?
 

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Nope.

CFL talent > USFL "talent"

He was a big fi$h in a puddle of a league.
BS. The USFL was taking Hall of Fame talent from the NFL in drafts. I watched both leagues back then and there was no question that the USFL had superior talent.
 

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They did? I'm not sure that's accurate.
It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the the NFL Hall of Fame. Any pro experience can count. Obviously that doesn't mean voters give equal weight to all pro experience.
 
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