Should the Cowboys have drafted Dalvin Cook?

xwalker said:
The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?
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Huge fan of the talent, but no way. Not fresh off of drafting Zeke and needing help elsewhere.

Now in a vacuum of course you take him over Taco though lol.
 
xwalker said:
The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?
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lol ... This has to be a sarcasm post, right ?:laugh:

No, with zeke the no.4 overall pick in the draft, was coming off a rookie breakaway season where he took the NFL by storm en route to the NFL rushing title. That was a zeke that showed burst and power, and displayed himself as a 6th protector of Dak,

You don’t use high round picks on two featured backs at the same position, especially when you have one that immediately established himself as arguably the premiere back in just his rookie year

Why would the Cowboys had the urge to take Cook... and have two feature RBs a year apart ?

What (who ) the Cowboys SHOULD have picked was TJ Watt who with the right defensive coach could have played up and down, 3 point stance, hand in the dirt and would have been an impact edge rusher for us for years.

thanks to the old school Dinosaur of a DL coach per Marinelli. .... :confused:
 
At the time i'd say no. Zeke was still good and having dalvin sit behind someone is a waste. Now dalvin was hurt for a long time and they are just now getting the benefit of his ability but he won't be cheap for long.
 
Dalvin Cook was injured for the past two years. You guys would have exploded at "the bust".
 
Interestingly enough Dalvin Cook was the last remaining player on thier board with a first round grade when their pick came up
 
quickccc said:
lol ... This has to be a sarcasm post, right ?:laugh:

No, with zeke the no.4 overall pick in the draft, was coming off a rookie breakaway season where he took the NFL by storm en route to the NFL rushing title. That was a zeke that showed burst and power, and displayed himself as a 6th protector of Dak,

You don’t use high round picks on two featured backs at the same position, especially when you have one that immediately established himself as arguably the premiere back in just his rookie year

Why would the Cowboys had the urge to take Cook... and have two feature RBs a year apart ?

What (who ) the Cowboys SHOULD have picked was TJ Watt who with the right defensive coach could have played up and down, 3 point stance, hand in the dirt and would have been an impact edge rusher for us for years.

thanks to the old school Dinosaur of a DL coach per Marinelli. .... :confused:
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You are expressing a Simpleton thought process.

I didn't say specifically draft Cook at #28.

He was drafted at #41.

They could have traded down from #28 or up from #60.

They were not "sold" on anybody at #28 and most of their draft fails the past decade have been when not everyone in the organization was "sold" on the pick.

There were questions about Watt and not just by the Cowboys.

In college Watt didn't play like a tradition 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. He was more like a 4-3 LB that was used as a pass rusher. Many of his pass rushes came when lined up behind the DL. His size to play 4-3 DE was legit question and we still don't know the answer to that; although, obviously even as a pass rush specialist in a 4-3 he would have more value than Taco.

Cook had early 1st round talent and that was a consensus by the draft media. He fell because of vague character concerns. His character concerns were minor compared to Randy Gregory's issues with Weed.

The Cowboys have built their offense around the running game and that was their plan when they drafted Zeke.

If a team is going to build their offense around the running game and pay big money to the OLine, then it's silly to depend on 1 player (Zeke) to the point that they struggled to function without him in 2017 and even with him when he was in a funk due to fighting against the suspension.

Examples of the Cowboys being "Sold" on their draft pick:
Everyone was "sold" on Zack Martin when they made that pick and they were sold on Travis Frederick to the point they figured they could trade down more and still get him but wanted the 5th year option because they were confident he would be a very good player. The were sold on picking Pollard in the 4th.

Example of the Cowboys waffling about who to pick:
Trysten Hill vs Somebody Else (Not everyone in the organization wanted to draft Hill at that pick).


Last Issue
  • Teams never regret drafting very good to great players.
  • Both the Saints and Patriots gave up a 1st for Brandin Cooks but then got a 1st back.
  • The Saints got 3 years of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.
  • The Patriots got a year of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.
 
xwalker said:
Did you read my OP?

I clearly stated that he had been injured.

Keep up the dumb arse comments and you get the ignore button.
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Please ignore me. As if I’d lose sleep from reading this craP. You boosting up Dalvin Cook when we invested a 4th overall pick in Zeke. Have some common sense we should not have to sit through this crap.
 
xwalker said:
The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?
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Whether at the time or in retrospect, it doesn't look like a deal. Spend a high pick for a guy behind Zeke for the last couple of years, who was injured those years to boot.

"It would have been better than Taco" really doesn't amount to a recommendation.

Jerry could have easily avoided Zeke's holdout by bringing a decent RB earlier in the offseason as insurance against the holdout. We might have a *better* record if we had put the team on Dak's shoulders this year and didn't have a RB we would pigheadedly keep running into the dline on 1st down against the Saints and the Vikes.

We made McFadden 4th in the league and he didn't get starter carries til week 6.

If you want to make an argument for a draft pick, the Dalton Schultz pick is a more sensible trade out. Churn them mid round RBs. We weren't really even trying for a true RB with Pollard, and got one anyway. You don't need to spend a high pick to get a RB.
 
charron said:
At the time i'd say no. Zeke was still good and having dalvin sit behind someone is a waste. Now dalvin was hurt for a long time and they are just now getting the benefit of his ability but he won't be cheap for long.
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Cook is a terrific receiver and has terrific speed.

The Cowboys built their offense around the running game and paid big money to the OL but have no backup plan behind Zeke other than using a 4th on Pollard who was as much or more a receiver in college as a true RB.

Cook's injuries could not be known at the time. Any player could have been injured.

My question is about the decision at the time with what was known at the time.

The Cowboys had a true 1st round grade on Cook but not on Taco or Watt.

They bypassed the player that they were most confident would be a good NFL player because of his position.

That does not mean they should have drafted Cook at #28 but they could have traded down if they were not completely sold on Taco or Watt ro they could have traded up from #60 to before #41 to draft a player they had a 1st round grade on.
 
xwalker said:
The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?
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I'm a favorite fan of Dalvin Cook big time. I didn't care if we had Zeke then, I wish we would have taken in the 2nd if we had that chance.

I just knew he was going to be good.

However, this is the case of two offensive philosophies. Minny uses Cook the way he is supposed to be used. Run him outside, use draws and quick screens.

While on the other we underutilize Zeke strengths. We hardly throw screens, use a fullback to block, use draw plays, or even run Zeke outside much.

All we do is run Zeke up the middle on most of our 1st downs. Its not totally Zeke's fault.
 
xwalker said:
The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?
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We could say that about a lot of players...and especially RBs.

Sure in the perfect world--20-20 hindsight...YES
Trade up one slot for Bosa in 2016
Take Cook in 2017

lol
Bosa + Cook >>>>>>>>> Zeke + Taco

But all theoretical
 
@xwalker Even if the Cowboys would have drafted Cook, what makes you think Cook would have done anything other than sit the bench here? Pollard gets little time. Pollard and Zeke in the backfield together is just too creative for these coaches to fathom. Pollard dropped one ball when they were both out there and that might be the last time we see them together on the field.

These coaches wouldn't know how to use Cook.
 
xwalker said:
Cook is a terrific receiver and has terrific speed.

The Cowboys built their offense around the running game and paid big money to the OL but have no backup plan behind Zeke other than using a 4th on Pollard who was as much or more a receiver in college as a true RB.

Cook's injuries could not be known at the time. Any player could have been injured.

My question is about the decision at the time with what was known at the time.

The Cowboys had a true 1st round grade on Cook but not on Taco or Watt.

They bypassed the player that they were most confident would be a good NFL player because of his position.

That does not mean they should have drafted Cook at #28 but they could have traded down if they were not completely sold on Taco or Watt ro they could have traded up from #60 to before #41 to draft a player they had a 1st round grade on.
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I'd take cook over taco or watt sure but at the time we still had good Zeke and I couldn't justify having both of them. Having a 1-2 punch is good but both guys at that time were work horse backs and Zeke was the league leading rusher so why draft a guy to ride the bench? Now a trade down would have been interesting but we wouldn't have had all the taco puns.
 
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