Should the Cowboys have gone for 2 on the 1st or 2nd TD?

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If you don’t want to give the ball back to your opponent with another opportunity to score perhaps you should go ahead and attempt the onside kick while still down 9. Lol

You have to make stops on defense . If not , it isn’t going to matter anyway.
 
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Diehardblues said:
I’d you don’t want to give the ball back to your opponent with another opportunity to score perhaps you should go ahead and attempt the onside kick while still down 9.

You have to make stops on defense . If not , it isn’t going to matter anyway.
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In the RIDICULOUS strategy you just laid out, compared to what MM did Sunday even failing the two point conversion, we only gave ATL ONE possession to add points.

in YOUR scenario you are PURPOSELY, in the event of a tie, giving them TWO possessions to add points AND with loads of time to do so.

Like I said, if you were the coach and did something that stupid and it led ed to a game winning FG I’d want you packing your bags Monday morning.
 
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Analytics are all about the odds to win the game not extending it. High risk. And why the conventional wisdom of coaches aren’t generally accepting it.

Our new gambling HC Riverboat Mike is all over it and Cowboy fans sniveling at his feet are defending it like never before . As analytical strategy hasn’t been widely discussed . Most NFL coaches have dismissed it favoring conventional wisdom .
 
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Diehardblues said:
Analytics are all about the odds to win the game not extending it. High risk. And why the conventional wisdom of coaches aren’t generally accepting it.

Our new gambling HC Riverboat Mike is all over it and Cowboy fans sniveling at his feet are defending it like never before . As analytical strategy hasn’t been widely discussed . Most NFL coaches have dismissed it favoring conventional wisdom .
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Who ultimately cares about conventional wisdom dude?

You are ignoring mathematical FACTS about probability and it’s effect on game theory.

Conventional wisdom at one point said that the sun revolved around the earth. Conventional wisdom was so strong, it even forced a genius like Gallileo to publicly retract his conclusions based on scientific observations that the earth revolved around the sun.

was conventional wisdom right?

lol no.

what you are engaging in is a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum which states that if the majority of a group of people believe a certain proposition, then that proposition is true.

this is OBVIOUSLY garbage reasoning.

The truth value of a proposition is not necessarily/objectively tied to the number of people who believe the proposition.
 
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And lastly, analytics are about REDUCING risk relative to winning or losing the game, not increasing it.

You have proposed strategies on this thread that you think MM should have done, in lieu of what he actually did, that would have done nothing but INCREASE the risk that Dallas loses the game.

And you’re calling MM stupid lmao
 
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It was a dumb decision by an otherwise intelligent coach taking risk like a Riverboat Gambler which unfortunately after 2 games appears to be the norm now. Only bailed out by one of the biggest gaffs in NFL history.
 
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Diehardblues said:
It was a dumb decision by an otherwise intelligent coach taking risk like a Riverboat Gambler which unfortunately after 2 games appears to be the norm now. Only bailed out by one of the biggest gaffs in NFL history.
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If his decision was dumb, then yours bottoms out the dumb scale.
 
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I’m going to LOVE watching analytics take over the league and when it happens, I’m going to equally LOVE watching fans like you, who can’t grasp the math, freak the **** out about it lol
 
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And managing the clock the same way is moronic.

once you’ve committed to go for two after the second TD it is OBVIOUSLY the preferred path to victory, at that point, to have the game decided by the two point conversion, preferably and ideally with 0 seconds on the clock.

IF you continued to try scoring as quick as you possibly can after committing to be down 8 points instead of attempting to being down 7 JUST so can have a chance to TIE the game, and the conversion is successful and you DO tie the game, this means you are giving the back to the opponent with ample time to kick a FG.

If you were the coach and lost the game because you did something so insanely stupid as to PURPOSELY give the other team an unnecessary extra possession with a comfortable amount of time to methodically drive down the field and kick the game winning FG, I would want you fired Monday morning.
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Somehow while arguing between two strategies you managed to create a third strategy that is worse than both. You would gain the 6% probability that you retrieve the onside kick after an unsuccessful conversion, but lose whatever probability that the opposing team uses the time you gave them to score themselves (most likely way more than 6%).
 
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Diehardblues said:
The above link and description of analytics as it applies in this case is all about winning the game as applied to when your down 14 as it recommend going for 2 then. Can you even imagine going for 2 down 14. No NFL coaches can .
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I like how you take what only exists inside your head and apply it to everyone else.

In the last two seasons, 6 teams have gone for 2 in that situation.

And it's pretty easy to see why it's the right call. What's weird is, you just spend pages and pages arguing that an 8-point game is exactly like a 7-point game, and yet now you see them as completely different.
 
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When coaches begin going for 2 down 14 points they’ll be laughed out of the league ending up on our high school sidelines. . Lol

The more I’ve learned about analytics applying to football decisions the dumber it sounds.
 
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Diehardblues said:
When coaches begin going for 2 down 14 points they’ll be laughed out of the league ending up on our high school sidelines. . Lol
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It's true, that idiot John Harbaugh is such the laughing-stock. Same with Ron Rivera and Doug Pederson: reputations completely shot.
 
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Diehardblues said:
When coaches begin going for 2 down 14 points they’ll be laughed out of the league ending up on our high school sidelines. . Lol

The more I’ve learned about analytics applying to football decisions the dumber it sounds.
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Then you haven’t “learned” anything.

And you say you’re an accountant?

cough ..cough...bull**** cough .... cough...
 
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Can anyone name any coaches in the NFL who have gone for 2 Point conversion down 14 points ever?

If it’s supported by analytics must be mathematically the way to go. But is anyone? Wonder why ?
 
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