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Who is the greatest coach in NFL history?

Paul Brown

Tom Landry

Vince Lombardi

Don Shula

Bill Walsh

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Depends on how you look at coaching. Game decisions, draft, building a team, creating new offenses and defenses, etc.
If you were to put them all together, then I would go with Landry or Brown. BOTH of them were great for a long time at doing it all.
Now if you want to go with winning championships, then it pretty much has to go with Lombardi- no one won more inless time then he did. 61, 62, 65,66,67. Made it to the Champ Game in 60 and barely lost. Throw out the one year that he coached the skins, and from 59-67 he dominated the NFL like no coach ever had before or since.
Bill Walsh was the latest innovator and team builder. I put him a rung below Landry and Brown because they were both offensive and defensive innovators, and Walsh was strictly offense. And as regards creativity, Landry wins that one overall.
 

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burmafrd;1570061 said:
Depends on how you look at coaching. Game decisions, draft, building a team, creating new offenses and defenses, etc.
If you were to put them all together, then I would go with Landry or Brown. BOTH of them were great for a long time at doing it all.
Now if you want to go with winning championships, then it pretty much has to go with Lombardi- no one won more inless time then he did. 61, 62, 65,66,67. Made it to the Champ Game in 60 and barely lost. Throw out the one year that he coached the skins, and from 59-67 he dominated the NFL like no coach ever had before or since.
Bill Walsh was the latest innovator and team builder. I put him a rung below Landry and Brown because they were both offensive and defensive innovators, and Walsh was strictly offense. And as regards creativity, Landry wins that one overall.

I voted for Paul Brown, I felt he was a man ahead of his time.
 

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As much as it pains me, Chuck Noll. There were times when the Steelers were winning games that I thought they weren't the better team. They dominated the 70s and have four Superbowls to prove it.
 

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It's hard to argue with any of them. The only reason I go with Noll over some of the others is just as noted before. The Steelers won games I didn't think they should have won. That is the sign of a true champion. :( If the Cowboys were going to lose SuperBowls, at least it wasn't to teams QBed by Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.
 

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Paul Brown....you can connect most of the HOF coaches back to him in some way.
 

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there were 3 very innovative coaches... Landry, Brown, Coryell

but all 3 weren't much as motivators.

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I am a Cowboy fan so I choose Landry but if I weren't I might choose Brown or Coryell
 

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I have posted this before but here it is again, my top-7 HCs of All-Time and why (the list is from my top-10 but I haven't updated it in a number of years and need to make some changes with the bottom-3 so I'll withhold them for now):

THUMPER’s All-Time Greatest Coaches

Here are my rankings:

1. Paul Brown - Brown was one of the most innovative and creative coaches ever. He was willing to try almost anything and was an expert at setting up defenses, (getting them to think something was coming but he would run something completely different). He was also an outstanding motivator and would treat players differently based on what he thought would motivate them. With Graham he was like a father with Jim Brown he would never show that he was satisfied with his performance. He understood the players and what made them tick. The fact that his Browns had only one losing season between 1946 and 1962 and won 7 championships and a .757 winning percentage makes him the best ever.

2. Tom Landry - 20 consecutive winning seasons between 1966-1985, and 18 playoff appearances speak volumes about Landry's abilities as a coach but it is really his great understanding of the game that sets him apart. Like Brown, Landry was an innovator who examined how teams played and devised schemes to defeat them. His genius was recognized while still a player for the Giants in the early 50s. He was a DB/DC for a couple of years and made the Giants defense into one of the best in the league. After he retired from playing he became their fulltime DC and changed the way teams played defense. He instituted the "4-3" defense with its "Middle" LB who would flow to the ball rather than the standard 5-2 with 5 down linemen and 2 LBs. When he became the Cowboys HC he had free reign to unleash his creative juices and his "Flex" defense was unlike any other ever used. Amazingly he showed just as much innovation on offense with his "Multiple Set" and complex plays designed to confuse the defense and keep them off balance. The only thing he really lacked as a HC was the motivational skills of a Paul Brown but his incredible knowledge of the game puts him 2nd on my list of all-time head coaches.

3. George Halas - "Papa Bear" was not the innovator that Brown or Landry were but he was no slouch either. He may not have invented many things but he recognized a good idea when he saw one and was willing to implement anything that might give his Bears an advantage. He had a great eye for talent and was an excellent motivator and teacher. He was owner, GM, and HC all rolled into one and was successful at it because he understood all 3 roles and was able to balance them well. He loved football and his Bears more than anything else in life and it showed.

4. Don Shula - Shula's biggest strength was his ability to adjust his system to fit the talent he had. He was a great motivator and got the most out of the players. A lot of his guys had average athletic ability but he was able to get them to play far beyond their skills and perform at a high level. His teams were always disciplined and made very few mistakes. He is the all-time winningest HC for a reason and his teams only had a losing record twice in his 33 years as a HC.

5. Curly Lambeau - Lambeau kept pro football alive in the smallest market in the NFL. He was an outstanding talent evaluator and motivator and his teams were consistently good. He is another guy who could change his scheme to fit his players. Picking up a skinny kid named Don Hutson, Lambeau recognized that he could utilize his skills by throwing the ball a lot more than he had in the past. Like Shula he got the most out of his players and made champions out of some pretty average teams. He was also a great promoter and kept the Packers a big draw even through the depression.

6. Sid Gillman - Gillman was not so much a great HC as he was the best OC ever. Today's offenses are all based on his passing attack. He was the first to really use the pass to set up the run and to throw to his backs as running plays. Bill Walsh owes his entire reputation to Sid Gillman and Don Coryell (another of Gillman's students). His biggest drawback was that he pretty much ignored the defensive side of the game and did not always draft well. Easily the best and most innovative offensive mind ever.

7. Vince Lombardi - Lombardi is often touted as the greatest HC ever but he isn't. His strengths were discipline, consistency, and simplicity. His playbook was miniscule compared to coaches like Landry, Brown, & Gillman but his teams ran those few plays to perfection. Execution was his mantra. He had a good eye for talent but many of his biggest stars on offense were already in place when he came on board in 1959. He did draft some excellent players on defense and his defenses are vastly underrated. The fact that he only coached the Packers for 9 seasons and the Commanders for one bring him down a bit as well because we never got to see if he could build a team like those ranked ahead of him. He motivated through fear and was quick to cut or trade a player who wasn't living up to his expectations but for those players who stuck with him he was the best.
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I guess I would rank Bill Walsh 8th but I still have to compare him with some others like Noll, Grant, Levy, Parcells, Gibbs, Belichick, etc.
 

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Like I said, it depends on how you look at the position and what priorities you give to the various facets like drafting, game day decisions, innovations, etc.
 

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Brown was definitly a better motivator but Landry was innovative in both D and O and had the edge there. Basically a coin flip between the two.
 

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Yeagermeister;1570092 said:
Paul Brown....you can connect most of the HOF coaches back to him in some way.

Yes, but I wouldn't put to much credence in that making him the best coach of all-time. You go back as far as Paul Brown and you can link almost everything to him. It's like evolution, everything starts somewhere. Flying wasn't invented by the Wright brothers, they just made the biggest innovation to bring it to reality. Almost all airplanes today are forks from their original idea. Without question, Paul Brown was the first real innovator in American Football.
 

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First real innovator? uh maybe you want to look a little closer at people like Heisman and Rockne and some others. In the pros- Halas would be a good place to start. Also look at the incredible changes football made from the late 30s to the mid 40s. Brown was great- but he was NOT the FIRST innovator of American Football.
 

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burmafrd;1570149 said:
First real innovator? uh maybe you want to look a little closer at people like Heisman and Rockne and some others. In the pros- Halas would be a good place to start. Also look at the incredible changes football made from the late 30s to the mid 40s. Brown was great- but he was NOT the FIRST innovator of American Football.

Ok, to say he was the first isn't right, (the first would be footballs creator) but he is one of the first obviously. As for Halas, he was great also and did big things for football, but IMO not what Paul Brown did for offense. Football was in it's infancy compared to today and even small changes could have huge impacts. The game has matured a lot since then. Paul Browns influence still exist in today game and is the reason he is called the "Father of the Modern Offense". Many today are trying to label Bill Walsh, Don Coryell, or Sid Gillman with that title, but they aren't. Brown laid the tracks of todays offense. All came in one form or another from Paul Brown. All offenses are built on top of his. While Coryell didn't work for Brown, Sid Gillman did and Sid Gillman handed the Chargers to Don Coryell and we all know the West Coast Offense originates from that tree.
 

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I'd have a hard time choosing between Walsh, Lombardi, and Noll.

Walsh really did changethe way the game was played offensively and he has 3 Super Bowl wins...and the 4th can be credited to him IMO as well.

Lombardi was the best leader of men. He won more championships than any other coach...although the advent of the Super Bowl era diminishes it a little.

Noll was a thorn in the side, but what a great coach. That defense and his patience with Bradshaw was commendable.
 

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Knoll gets the nod over Landry. Duel to duel Knoll outdid Landry.
Knoll took away from some of Tom's Legacy. Just one win against the Steelers and Landry would have surpassed Knoll. It may not be completely fair to look at it that way... but thats how it is sometimes...


I always like Lombardi's.... "I don't associate myself with losers" line..... classic and great.
 

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My vote goes to Lombardi,but how do you leave Bellichek off the list.
 

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Tom Landry is getting all the homer votes and I am one of them--great job Zoners!

Plus the fact Coach Landry is a valid choice..........

Why was Barry Switzer not an option?
 

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CrazyCowboy;1570239 said:
Tom Landry is getting all the homer votes and I am one of them--great job Zoners!

Plus the fact Coach Landry is a valid choice..........

Why was Barry Switzer not an option?

See the word other?
 
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