SI: "His absence could wound this club more deeply than it realizes."

[Nightman]

Could it be that drafting 3 1st round OLmen had even more to do with that, since you know, Murray was actually here the last couple of seasons and nobody decided we should put the team on his back then?

Weird, he set the franchise record for yards in a game at 253 back in his rookie year, before Fred, Leary and Martin got here.

 

[wileedog]

Weird, he set the franchise record for yards in a game at 253 back in his rookie year, before Fred, Leary and Martin got here.

So one game against a crappy Rams team is now statistical evidence he is worth a bajillion dollars?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Could it be that drafting 3 1st round OLmen had even more to do with that, since you know, Murray was actually here the last couple of seasons and nobody decided we should put the team on his back then?

I'm really trying not to argue, but discuss. The line before last year couldn't open a can of tuna. The team was carried that year and years before by Romo. When we did run the ball Murray still gained yards. First two years hard to gauge but his average with little work was good.
Year three, Still a passing team, 14 games, 217 carries 5.2 yard average is doing it mostly on your own.
Last year we all witnessed what a line will do for a really good RB. I don't see him as special but above average.
Emmitt was special. If he's thinking any more than seven mil a year, I wish him well. But I can't say he was average.
Heck, they didn't even give the ball to Marshawn, on their biggest play of the season. I guarantee Murray's number would have been called.

 

[Doomsday101]

8 other guys out of the top 20 rushers had the same or more yards per carry (and Lacy had .1 YPC less). And most of them didn't run behind an OL near as good as this one.

The fricken math says he played basically the equivalent of 5 extra games more than anyone else. His 400 more yards is not "smoking" anyone. I'm just saying that using his gross yards as a measuring stick of anything is highly misleading.

and most could not handle the load either. Murray 4.7 a carry still ranks him around the top

 

[Dave_in-NC]

and most could not handle the load either. Murray 4.7 a carry still ranks him around the top

There's that to.

 

[Doomsday101]

Lynch's new contract will make it very difficult to sign Murray for less than $7M per. $8M might not even get it done.

if that is the case then it is very likely Murray will not return. Now if Money as well as where he plays his career matters more to him then there is a chance that he could return, if money is the only factor then chances are he will be gone

 

[wileedog]

I'm really trying not to argue, but discuss. The line before last year couldn't open a can of tuna. The team was carried that year and years before by Romo. When we did run the ball Murray still gained yards. First two years hard to gauge but his average with little work was good.
Year three, Still a passing team, 14 games, 217 carries 5.2 yard average is doing it mostly on your own.
Last year we all witnessed what a line will do for a really good RB. I don't see him as special but above average.
Emmitt was special. If he's thinking any more than seven mil a year, I wish him well. But I can't say he was average.
Heck, they didn't even give the ball to Marshawn, on their biggest play of the season. I guarantee Murray's number would have been called.

I'm not using the word average either. I'm using the word "good." I've said it before he is a good all around back who is in a great situation.

I'm not in any way saying I hope we boot Murray, and I won't be disappointed in the least if he comes back at the right price. I like the guys work ethic and intangibles too. 7 would probably be a little higher than I would want to go but honestly there is no way he is coming back for less, I think Indy is going to chase him hard.

My two concerns are length of contract - we really rode him hard this year, and he is a physical runner who typically ends plays with hard contact. He's not an elusive little guy. He could easily fall off a cliff like Barber did his age 28 season, and I still think we got lucky as all get out with him on the injury front this year. He's never had two full seasons in a row without some sort of injury.

Secondly I would really like to see us draft a true stud back there and see what happens, and I think there are some potentially really good ones in this draft. Like I said, Murray is good, but to me he is the limiting factor in our running game. We will only be as good as he is, and I don't consider him top tier. There's a part of me that wants to see if someone else can get even more out of what we are doing with this Oline, without having to be fed 400 carries.

 

[Nightman]

and most could not handle the load either. Murray 4.7 a carry still ranks him around the top

I'm really trying not to argue, but discuss. The line before last year couldn't open a can of tuna. The team was carried that year and years before by Romo. When we did run the ball Murray still gained yards. First two years hard to gauge but his average with little work was good.
Year three, Still a passing team, 14 games, 217 carries 5.2 yard average is doing it mostly on your own.
Last year we all witnessed what a line will do for a really good RB. I don't see him as special but above average.
Emmitt was special. If he's thinking any more than seven mil a year, I wish him well. But I can't say he was average.
Heck, they didn't even give the ball to Marshawn, on their biggest play of the season. I guarantee Murray's number would have been called.

Do you know how many years Emmitt averaged over 4.7 YPC???? One, that's it.

Murray may not be "Special", but what if he is???? Why the rush to throw him away???

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm not using the word average either. I'm using the word "good." I've said it before he is a good all around back who is in a great situation.

I'm not in any way saying I hope we boot Murray, and I won't be disappointed in the least if he comes back at the right price. I like the guys work ethic and intangibles too. 7 would probably be a little higher than I would want to go but honestly there is no way he is coming back for less, I think Indy is going to chase him hard.

My two concerns are length of contract - we really rode him hard this year, and he is a physical runner who typically ends plays with hard contact. He's not an elusive little guy. He could easily fall off a cliff like Barber did his age 28 season, and I still think we got lucky as all get out with him on the injury front this year. He's never had two full seasons in a row without some sort of injury.

Secondly I would really like to see us draft a true stud back there and see what happens, and I think there are some potentially really good ones in this draft. Like I said, Murray is good, but to me he is the limiting factor in our running game. We will only be as good as he is, and I don't consider him top tier. There's a part of me that wants to see if someone else can get even more out of what we are doing with this Oline, without having to be fed 400 carries.

I have no problem with what your saying. I would like to keep Murray, if I moved any one it would be Randle. Then draft a guy. Since I don't watch college ball I have to leave that to the guys who do. I just don't think Murray spent himself last year. I hate to chance Randle being the guy even for a year. But the coaches have watched Williams, so maybe he fits in there some where.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Do you know how many years Emmitt averaged over 4.7 YPC???? One, that's it.

Murray may not be "Special", but what if he is???? Why the rush to throw him away???

Special to me isn't all about yards as I have said several times in this thread. I also don't want to throw him away, I'm on your side.
But some guys are making good counter points that have to be considered also. just my take.

 

[Bullflop]

I can easily picture Murray being tempted beyond his ability to refuse the extra millions he might get offered from another team with more to spend under the cap. He's got a family to support and RB's careers are short. He'll be wanting to return and Dallas will want him back but at what cost? Jeez, I wouldn't want to be making that decision. I surely don't envy Jerry and Stephen for being in that position. Just hoping for whatever proves the best for DeMarco and the Cowboys as well. It'll be a tough decision, come what may. Good luck to all . . .

 

[wileedog]

I have no problem with what your saying. I would like to keep Murray, if I moved any one it would be Randle. Then draft a guy. Since I don't watch college ball I have to leave that to the guys who do. I just don't think Murray spent himself last year. I hate to chance Randle being the guy even for a year. But the coaches have watched Williams, so maybe he fits in there some where.

Oh heck no on Randle being the guy. He's a change of pace back, nothing more. And Williams already bombed once with the Cards. It would be nice but I wouldn't go into the season counting on him either.

I just think this is a good year to draft a rookie, sign a 2nd tier vet for cover and as a mentor, and let that rookie grow and develop with this young Oline. I would rather do that than commit to a 27 year old coming off a 450 touch season. Plus that rookie will probably be hitting his prime right around the time we will need to be starting Romo's replacement, which will take a lot of pressure of him, whoever he is.

 

[Nightman]

Special to me isn't all about yards as I have said several times in this thread. I also don't want to throw him away, I'm on your side.
But some guys are making good counter points that have to be considered also. just my take.

I clearly know where you stand on Murray, I only quoted you to show that Emmitt stat.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Could it be that drafting 3 1st round OLmen had even more to do with that, since you know, Murray was actually here the last couple of seasons and nobody decided we should put the team on his back then?

3 1st-round O linemen was a very good (though unsexy) move by Jerra. Yes, they undoubtedly opened up holes. the fact remains that Murray had a very good year and is a proven commodity and some here just donts graps the concept of solid production, good O line or not. And maybe the threat of Dez and company had something to do with fewer defensive mens attacking the line gap and allowing Murray to run seemingly at will. And maybe Murray made some safeties stay closer to the line, thus more oppertunities for the receivers. And maybe Murray would half ran for all them yards without 3 sterlings O linemen. And maybe Murray got better coaching. or maybe Murray was trying to impress that great looking gal from Flower Mound or Tyler in the stands and maybe . . .
but i keep coming back to Murray leading the NFL in yardage. That is a feet to consider. that is awesome for any RB.

And maybe some here just like to dog a good mans who tries his best and achiefed great things last year and maybe we need to gift him a chance to do what he did last year, agin.

hey, the library is closing soon. And the library lady say my good looks and deboner profile won't gift me more time on the free computer so holla.
I respect you but do not like your disdain for Murray. And I hope your disdain is purely academic and not personal.