SI: "His absence could wound this club more deeply than it realizes."

[Dave_in-NC]

4 Years a 4 million per is as high as I would go at the position. No disrespect to Murray, but I'll go with Williams, Randle and whoever else we pickup. Too many past injuries and fumbles, hate to overpay a guy who has a banner contract year. I look at what they have done in "non-contract" years myself.

I never buy into the "contract" year. This past year was the first one we had a line that was worth speaking about and the first time in a very long time
we featured the run and played smash mouth football. If guys are fluffing off waiting for their contract year that doesn't speak well to their character any way and I would cut them period. Murray has run hard on every carry, I just think it's the things I mentioned above that helped him do what he did last season. This was a contract year for Dez, he played great. I don't see this being said about him.

 

[wileedog]

Murray still lead the league in yards after contact

He had 100 more carries than anyone else. Of course he is going to lead the league in just about every category as far as gross amount of "yards when doing whatever".

 

[Doomsday101]

He had 100 more carries than anyone else. Of course he is going to lead the league in just about every category as far as gross amount of "yards when doing whatever".

And over 400 more yards than anyone. Yes he showed he could carry the load and in doing so still smoked the runner up by over 400 fricken yards. Do the math. I think your point would be a lot more valid had Murray out rushed others by 100 even 200 more yards but it was much more than that. Guy deserves the credit and seem many Cowboy fans refuse to give the man his dues and find way to try and demean what he did for this team.

 

[wileedog]

And over 400 more yards than anyone. Yes he showed he could carry the load and in doing so still smoked the runner up by over 400 fricken yards. Do the math. I think your point would be a lot more valid had Murray out rushed others by 100 even 200 more yards but it was much more than that. Guy deserves the credit and seem many Cowboy fans refuse to give the man his dues and find way to try and demean what he did for this team.

8 other guys out of the top 20 rushers had the same or more yards per carry (and Lacy had .1 YPC less). And most of them didn't run behind an OL near as good as this one.

The fricken math says he played basically the equivalent of 5 extra games more than anyone else. His 400 more yards is not "smoking" anyone. I'm just saying that using his gross yards as a measuring stick of anything is highly misleading.

 

[jimmy40]

Home run speed

the most overrated of all RB traits.

May be but put Jamaal Charles behind Dallas' online last year and he breaks the rushing record.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't understand this line of thinking at all. If you apply this rationale to DeMarco, then you can also say Dez gets all his catches because the QB has time to throw the ball to him. Or Romo is only good because he has time to throw. Or if the guys weren't blocking inside then Jason Witten wouldn't be catching passes, he would be blocking. Therefore, we really don't need to pay for ANY skill positions on offense because our line is so dominant. We all know that this sort of idea is a fallacy, but for some reason, it seems to stick when it pertains to DeMarco.

Thinking running backs are plug and play is pretty absurd to me. Everyone thought Troy Hambrick was, at one time, considered to be the next best thing to sliced bread, before they made him the starter. You might be able to get a guy who is able to replace DeMarco in the draft, or free agency, but in my estimation there aren't that many that can do what he does and none of them come cheaply, or without risk.

If this team was in rebuilding mode, I think your line of thinking would have more validity. With Romo's window of opportunity nearing the latter stages, that is personally a chance that I would not take, unless it was cost prohibitive.

Your assumption that RBs are plug and play is very shortsided. It's also something I never said. Obviously, you can't sign a guy or start a guy that can't play and expect him to be successful but that's really not what anybody is talking about. The idea, which has been cleary discussed, is bringing in a guy who can play but does not cost as much. For the record, I never thought hambrick would get it done but that's a completely different discussion.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He had 100 more carries than anyone else. Of course he is going to lead the league in just about every category as far as gross amount of "yards when doing whatever".

I think that prior to last season, you coud say that about Romo thowing more and getting sensational stats.
bottom line, he led the NFL in yards.
I find it odd that many here are so ready to give him up as if we were the Patriots who can plug almost anybody in and succeed.
How manys RBs half we plugged in and succeeded since Emmitt Smith's good years?

No matter what happen, I will always appreciate Murray's gift to us: and that be helping meine team to the playoffs. That does not happen often these days and I just no Murray was a BIG BIG part of that, and not just another year of Romo doing a star-wars thowing year with no playoff appearances. This is not to dig at Romo but just to put in pursepective what Murray half done for us.

good luck DeMarco, whereever you go and whatever you do. The way you ran this year made meine year so much better and I began to believe again that the running game is paramont to succeeding.

I salute you, DeMarco Murray!

 

[wileedog]

bottom line, he led the NFL in yards.!

Which doesn't make him the best RB in the league.

It makes him the guy who was given the ball the most.

 

[Nightman]

Which doesn't make him the best RB in the league.

It makes him the guy who was given the ball the most.

But I thought he was fragile

He only set the franchise record for most yards and the NFL record for consecutive 100 yd games. Nothing special, very average, please move along.

 

[wileedog]

He only set the franchise record for most yards and the NFL record for consecutive 100 yd games. Nothing special, very average, please move along.

How many ways do I have to explain this?

More carries = more yards.

If you are given the ball 25 times a game, your chances of getting 100 yards are pretty darn good. If you are given the ball more than any back in franchise history, chances are you are going to have more yards then them too.

I'm not necessarily discredited Murray or anything, it was a great season for him. But I am saying these accomplishments people are holding up that he is an elite back are directly a result of him getting the ball a whole lot more than anyone else.

And yes, we got lucky too with his health too.

 

[Nightman]

How many ways do I have to explain this?

More carries = more yards.

If you are given the ball 25 times a game, your chances of getting 100 yards are pretty darn good. If you are given the ball more than any back in franchise history, chances are you are going to have more yards then them too.

I'm not necessarily discredited Murray or anything, it was a great season for him. But I am saying these accomplishments people are holding up that he is an elite back are directly a result of him getting the ball a whole lot more than anyone else.

And yes, we got lucky too with his health too.

You would have a smidge of a point if his YPC was low. It was not, so you have no point. You are just nit-picking.

 

[Danger]

I never buy into the "contract" year. This past year was the first one we had a line that was worth speaking about and the first time in a very long time
we featured the run and played smash mouth football. If guys are fluffing off waiting for their contract year that doesn't speak well to their character any way and I would cut them period. Murray has run hard on every carry, I just think it's the things I mentioned above that helped him do what he did last season. This was a contract year for Dez, he played great. I don't see this being said about him.

That's because Dez has remained healthy and produced three consecutive elite seasons while Murray hasnt.

 

[wileedog]

You would have a smidge of a point if his YPC was low. It was not, so you have no point. You are just nit-picking.

It's not low, nor is it very high. As I pointed out 9 of the top 20 backs have similar or higher YPC.

My point is not that Murray is a bad RB. My point is he is not some special back who deserves elite back $$$, because a lot of the arguments that point to him being one are because of the amount of carries he had.

Which also, BTW, is in no way sustainable. If we sign him to a deal and then give him 450 touches again next year he will be finished in year 2 of his new deal.

 

[Nightman]

That's because Dez has remained healthy and produced three consecutive elite seasons while Murray hasnt.

Murray has over 5700 yds and 29 TDs in the last 4 years. That's quite a bit for someone that never plays.

Dez has 5400 yds and 56 TDs over the last 5 years. Pretty good.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Which doesn't make him the best RB in the league.

It makes him the guy who was given the ball the most.

oh, i see. well i just go by the numbers. Such as Romo and his great stats, which I guess mean he thow a lot.
thanks for answering!

 

[wileedog]

oh, i see. well i just go by the numbers. Such as Romo and his great stats, which I guess mean he thow a lot.
thanks for answering!

Has anyone ever said Romo was the best QB in the league?

And do you realize that Romo just had his best statistical season by far and threw the least amount of attempts he ever has?

 

[BAT]

I agree. I'm a big fan of Murray and want him back but there are limits to what I think Dallas should do contract wise. My hope is Dallas is willing to offer a fair and competitive contract meaning I do not expect the money that the top 5 RB are getting I do expect them to offer a deal between 6 and 7 mill.

Lynch's new contract will make it very difficult to sign Murray for less than $7M per. $8M might not even get it done.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Has anyone ever said Romo was the best QB in the league?

And do you realize that Romo just had his best statistical season by far and threw the least amount of attempts he ever has?

I did not realize "that Romo just had his best statistical season by far and threw the least amount of attempts he ever has"

Could it . . . could it be that the re-emergience of our running game (by the aforementioned RB we shall not name) had something to do with Romo thowing the least amount and subsaquently us going to the playoffs? I am just axing.


And as to " anyone ever said Romo was the best QB in the league?" Yes i half heard many manys superlatives about Romo here in this forum and from hyped up members of the press.
Holla!

 

[wileedog]

I did not realize "that Romo just had his best statistical season by far and threw the least amount of attempts he ever has"

Could it . . . could it be that the re-emergience of our running game (by the aforementioned RB we shall not name) had something to do with Romo thowing the least amount and subsaquently us going to the playoffs? I am just axing.

Holla!

Could it be that drafting 3 1st round OLmen had even more to do with that, since you know, Murray was actually here the last couple of seasons and nobody decided we should put the team on his back then?

 

[Nightman]

Lynch's new contract will make it very difficult to sign Murray for less than $7M per. $8M might not even get it done.

We were delusional when we thought 4/16m would be enough. The year Murray had last year had as much impact as a MVP caliber year from a QB. The league pays 15-20m to those QBs but recoils at paying 7-9m for RBs. RBs are just as valuable as WRs yet they get paid a lot less.