SI: "His absence could wound this club more deeply than it realizes."

[Stash]

I get you win now. I'm right there with you. I just don't see our offense as broken. I don't think AP is going to come any cheaper than Murray either.
Why not concentrate on what is broke? Our defense.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to send Murray away, but I don't want to overpay him either and I think someone else (Colts) will.

If and when that happens, I whole-heartedly explore the Peterson option, and if that's too costly, I hope that Todd Gurley (not Melvin Gordon) is there at #27.

 

[Nightman]

There are significant risks to keeping Murray also.
1. Murray has only played 16 games once and that was in 2014.
2. Murray was over used in 2014. The history of RBs with that many touches in not good in following years.
3. If it prevents them from getting the pass rusher they need then it's a big risk that they can find one. The probability of William/Randle and a draft pick producing is much higher than the probability of a rookie pass rusher producing. Depending on the rookie pass rusher represents a risk.

1- He has gained over 4400 yds for those 4 years, not bad for never playing
2- was he overused or does he never play??
3-You know as well as I do that they have the money and room to sign Dez, Murray and a DE.

 

[Nightman]

I still take issue with all his fumbles. If you've watched enough Cowboys games this past year, you have to wonder how he didn't fumble more times than he actually did. I still stand at 50% of me says let him walk with a big contract and a ton of wear and tear this past year somewhere else, and 50% of me want's him to stay.

Now you are dogging him for fumbles he didn't make

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to send Murray away, but I don't want to overpay him either and I think someone else (Colts) will.

If and when that happens, I whole-heartedly explore the Peterson option, and if that's too costly, I hope that Todd Gurley (not Melvin Gordon) is there at #27.

We are pretty much on the same page. My options in order.
1- Keep Murray
2- A really CHEAP AP which I'm starting to feel AP isn't looking to play cheap.
3- Younger

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Now you are dogging him for fumbles he didn't make

Unless I'm reading the stats wrong, isn't AP just as bad or worse?

 

[Chuck 54]

Saying the money isn't an issue is short sighted. The money IS the issue. That cap space we have after franchising Dez is not just there for Murray and free agent DLmen that fans want.

Right now we don't have enough players to even take the field.

We don't have a RT under contract. We only have Hidgens under contract from all the LBs used this year with Lee coming off injury. We only have Scandrick and Patmon signed at CB besides Mo whose injury status is very clouded right now. If Carr doesn't want a pay cut, we will have to release him.

We have lots of key parts that must be resigned or replaced by other quality guys who want to be paid.

We have some cap space, but we have to be wise. Can we afford to tie up 42-45 million on just Romo, Dez, and Murray and still sign a RT, a couple LBs, and at least one CB? And that's without replacing Harris or improving the DL or upgrading our sad safeties.

Part of the issue is Dez, but a huge part is that we are on the books for way too much on Romo. You can't pay your franchise QB 22-24 million this year and have a balanced team, and in my opinion, you need to take that hit because you cannot extend Romo again without paying a huge price down the road.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Now you are dogging him for fumbles he didn't make

Not dogging him for fumbles he didn't make. It's pretty obvious the way he holds the ball that his tendency to fumble is high. My wife is a terrible driver, and when I tell her its a wonder that she doesn't get into more accidents, I am not dogging her for the accidents she did not get into, I am dogging her for the high probability that she is going to get into an accident based on her being a terrible driver.

 

[Nightman]

We are pretty much on the same page. My options in order.
1- Keep Murray
2- A really CHEAP AP which I'm starting to feel AP isn't looking to play cheap.
3- Younger

That's what I am saying. Don't create a problem without an in-house solution. Obviously there is a limit on Murray, but we just guaranteed Beasley 7m and signed Bailey to a 21m deal.

Just quit pretending like we don't have the money to sign Murray. Be proactive and not reactive. We all saw how important Murray was to the team's success, don't ignore that just because others have failed in the past.

 

[Nightman]

Unless I'm reading the stats wrong, isn't AP just as bad or worse?

Shhhhh

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Shhhhh

Sorry, I'll go back to my corner.

 

[xwalker]

1- He has gained over 4400 yds for those 4 years, not bad for never playing
2- was he overused or does he never play??
3-You know as well as I do that they have the money and room to sign Dez, Murray and a DE.

He was overused in the 1 season that he stayed healthy.

I don't know the Cowboys thought process on how much they will spend relative to the cap. I'm certain that they will not max out in terms of pushing absolutely as much as possible into future years. I've said all along that the 2015 cap is not really the limitation or what they will use to make their decisions. Their decisions will be based on the future year's cap ramifications.

 

[coult44]

^THIS^

Now we just need to sufficiently replace him at a fraction of the cost.

Do all of "you folks" forget on purpose, or just don't care about what DM does when he doesn't have the ball in his hands? I swear sometimes most fans are high school kids who do nothing but playas madden all day!!!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Emotional fans/media will never really understand building a team relative to the salary cap. The Patriots have been letting players move in for many years but people still don't understand the process.

There are many risks and building a successful team is about managing the risks. Overspending on a RBs is not a good risk/reward in the modern NFL.

When you begin labeling people, then stating they will never understand whatever it is you seem to do, I have to ask myself how you are so certain. You have been one of the bigger proponents to rid this team of Murray. You back all the bunk tossed around about drop off and injury, as if these things mean anything in the future. They are fans opinions based on stats which are not one size fits all.

Now your risk reward theory.

It's like you and the entire usual suspects seem to have ignored the past years prior to this last season when things came together. It's like you guys seem to believe this is the line only and anyone can do it.

And to all of the people whoi make the claim this is the line I have to ask this.

How many times have you argued with fans of other teams about Emmitt and his stats? That it was ythe line and not Emmitt.

I am not suggesting Murray is Emmitt, but he is THE best back to play here since 22, and a very special part of this offense.

But let's just change what worked for this team because some seem to think they understand talent and chemistry grows on trees.

 

[Nightman]

He was overused in the 1 season that he stayed healthy.

I don't know the Cowboys thought process on how much they will spend relative to the cap. I'm certain that they will not max out in terms of pushing absolutely as much as possible into future years. I've said all along that the 2015 cap is not really the limitation or what they will use to make their decisions. Their decisions will be based on the future year's cap ramifications.

They are in the clear in the near future. Carr and Free will be gone. TSmith is a deal. Lee will probably be gone and Dez hasn't signed a long term deal yet. The only guys to worry about in the future are TFred and Martin and they are interior OL and years away.

The cap has gone up 21m in the last years and will proabably go up by another 20m in the next years. Dallas is already under the cash spending floor and sitting out FA won't help them get there.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

When you begin labeling people, then stating they will never understand whatever it is you seem to do, I have to ask myself how you are so certain. You have been one of the bigger proponents to rid this team of Murray. You back all the bunk tossed around about drop off and injury, as if these things mean anything in the future. They are fans opinions based on stats which are not one size fits all.

Now your risk reward theory.

It's like you and the entire usual suspects seem to have ignored the past years prior to this last season when things came together. It's like you guys seem to believe this is the line only and anyone can do it.

And to all of the people whoi make the claim this is the line I have to ask this.

How many times have you argued with fans of other teams about Emmitt and his stats? That it was ythe line and not Emmitt.

I am not suggesting Murray is Emmitt, but he is THE best back to play here since 22, and a very special part of this offense.

But let's just change what worked for this team because some seem to think they understand talent and chemistry grows on trees.

Most are making the history argument. He won't produce because he was over worked last season. Yet the claim is most of his yards were made un touched, to me that should have saved him from taking a pounding. The man has run his whole life so I don't see that as an issue.
He's not small, so no issue there. He ducked to the sideline (according to some here) so no major contact issue there.
He broke his hand, nothing to do with his legs and he wanted to be the workhorse so I don't think he has any mental issues about the workload.
Other than one season of a fumbling issue, why do we want to run him out of town again?

 

[LatinMind]

Despite meine big brain, the writer could not half said it better: Read on about DeMarco Murray, the guy who more than most others, hepped put us in the playoffs with his consistent running.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/04/demarco-murray-nfl-free-agency-dallas-cowboys

Tired of hearing about the Impact of Murray. When you have a OL like the one Dallas has, you can do what you want. Especially when you have a franchise QB and HOF TE and a Top 3 WR in the NFL.

Murray lead the NFL in yards before contact at almost 6 yrds. Thats not because he has Barry sanders moves, thats because he was running thru holes the size of buses. Thats because Dez Bryant would take a CB and a LB or S, and sometimes both with him on his route. And thats because Witten is the best in the NFL at clearing out the middle and sustaining a block. Thats because the G's can pull and get downfield better then any in the NFL. Its because the Tackles can seal the edge and release to take out a S or LB.

Murray had a great season, and im not going to take away anything he did. But he has a whole lot of people to thank for that.

Dallas cant just plug in any RB and have the same success, but i think they could put Randle back there and have success, i think they could draft Gurley or Gordon and have just as much success Murray had. I think they could put in Ajayi and Cobb and along with Randle or Williams can have a productive one two punch. And i think if the cards fall into place and AP is brought to Dallas there would be a new single season rushing record.

Let Murray go and get the money he's looking for, Dallas will be ok.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I'm not discounting him, but the fact is that 1,023 of Murray's yards came before he was ever touched.

If that doesn't say offensive line, I don't know what does.

How many of Emmitt's yards came before he was touched and did you argue that point back then?

 

[Fletch]

We all like him. It is just that the fans here seem to think of him as a one-year wonder. Like anybody else could step in and do what he did last year.

And no he wasn't totally healthy last year. As the story state, he broke a bone in his hand and returned the next week.
If we let him go we will roux the day.

He does speaketh English. It's like you have two dialects.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Most are making the history argument. He won't produce because he was over worked last season. Yet the claim is most of his yards were made un touched, to me that should have saved him from taking a pounding. The man has run his whole life so I don't see that as an issue.
He's not small, so no issue there. He ducked to the sideline (according to some here) so no major contact issue there.
He broke his hand, nothing to do with his legs and he wanted to be the workhorse so I don't think he has any mental issues about the workload.
Other than one season of a fumbling issue, why do we want to run him out of town again?

Exactly.

Further, why would anyone believe you can replace him easily? Or would want to change up a design which caused Romo to have one of his better seasons?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Tired of hearing about the Impact of Murray. When you have a OL like the one Dallas has, you can do what you want. Especially when you have a franchise QB and HOF TE and a Top 3 WR in the NFL.

Murray lead the NFL in yards before contact at almost 6 yrds. Thats not because he has Barry sanders moves, thats because he was running thru holes the size of buses. Thats because Dez Bryant would take a CB and a LB or S, and sometimes both with him on his route. And thats because Witten is the best in the NFL at clearing out the middle and sustaining a block. Thats because the G's can pull and get downfield better then any in the NFL. Its because the Tackles can seal the edge and release to take out a S or LB.

Murray had a great season, and im not going to take away anything he did. But he has a whole lot of people to thank for that.

Dallas cant just plug in any RB and have the same success, but i think they could put Randle back there and have success, i think they could draft Gurley or Gordon and have just as much success Murray had. I think they could put in Ajayi and Cobb and along with Randle or Williams can have a productive one two punch. And i think if the cards fall into place and AP is brought to Dallas there would be a new single season rushing record.

Let Murray go and get the money he's looking for, Dallas will be ok.

I agree with most of what you said. They built the team that is SUCCESSFULL. All the offensive pieces are there. Sure you could always tweak a thing or two, but in my eye's they built it their way. Isn't the way you wrote it what every team is trying to accomplish?