SI: Truth & Rumors

[Nors]

I think so too. I also find that really, really pathetic.

I agree pathetic - they are all into the glory days angle.


I think if you asked them if Miami today was 7-0 would they be rooting for a perfect season? I think thats a different answer. Teams down now and they love their record

 

[Nors]

If we had run for a meaningless touchdown on fourth-and-goal from the 1 with less than 25 seconds remaining, instead of kneeling on the ball, I certainly would understand if our opponent was indignant.

Look what we did against the Bucs last season. Or better yet, look at what the Dolphins did last season when they spanked the Patriots 21-0. The Dolphins had first-and-goal at the Patriots' 5-yard line with 1:30 left in the game, but did they try to punch it in the end zone one more time? No, they kept having Joey Harrington kneel on the ball until the clock ran out. That's the classy, respectful thing to do. But apparently, the Patriots don't feel the need to return that respect.

It was a 2 score game.

Hoodie said If Phillips had not called time out he'd run clock. Once the timeout was called he had to kick FG or give it to Cowboys if he kneeled.

Was a smart move to try and punch it in versus a botched FG or block.

If our defense had stopped them we get the ball and half a minute to do something, but we did not

 

[Kevinicus]

It was a 2 score game.

Hoodie said If Phillips had not called time out he'd run clock. Once the timeout was called he had to kick FG or give it to Cowboys if he kneeled.

Was a smart move to try and punch it in versus a botched FG or block.

If our defense had stopped them we get the ball and half a minute to do something, but we did not

2 TD's (one 97ish yards) in about 21 seconds?

 

[Nors]

2 TD's (one 97ish yards) in about 21 seconds?

It was 25 seconds but look at Bills game and the Giants game circa 2003.

One bad play, blocked FG and an onside and you are in trouble. Why concede/give the ball To dallas on a knee versus trying to punch it in?

Wade called the TO causing this, if not game over no score.


Maybe our defense should have not let them put up a 50 spot on us and this is not a discussion point.

 

[hairic]

It was 25 seconds but look at Bills game and the Giants game circa 2003.

One bad play, blocked FG and an onside and you are in trouble. Why concede/give the ball To dallas on a knee versus trying to punch it in?

Wade called the TO causing this, if not game over no score.


Maybe our defense should have not let them put up a 50 spot on us and this is not a discussion point.

What about a fumbled snap/fumbled exchange/back fumbles being hit and the defense gets a straight shot to the endzone? That would count as the potential for a bad play. It's much easier to score when there's nobody in front of you especially when the option to play prevent defense is there (take a knee). If he was really worried about the lead, he would have kneed it - there are players in the victory formation to handle those fumbled snaps and a deep safety.

Also, nobody is scoring a 97 yard touchdown against a prevent defense in that short amount of time. There's too many laterals involved. Also, just one incompletion and the game is over.

Romo's finish to the game to tie it would have to be 3/3 (maybe 4/4) 160 yards, 2 TDs. He'd have to do that throwing into cover 6-10. That's just not gonna happen.

 

[AdamJT13]

It was a 2 score game.

Hoodie said If Phillips had not called time out he'd run clock. Once the timeout was called he had to kick FG or give it to Cowboys if he kneeled.

Was a smart move to try and punch it in versus a botched FG or block.

If our defense had stopped them we get the ball and half a minute to do something, but we did not

What are you talking about? There were fewer than 25 seconds left, and they had fourth down on our 1-yard line. If they had taken a knee, like we did against the Bucs and the Dolphins did against the Patriots last year, we would have taken a knee on our first play, and the game would have been over. Instead, they decided to score again for no reason.

When the opponent starts taking a knee, if you do get the ball back, you take a knee, too. That's common practice in football -- among teams with any class, that is. And the Patriots have demonstrated that showing class isn't high on their list of priorities.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am stunned and confused by the amount of posts defending the Patriots I see on this board the last couple of weeks. Its as if I stepped into the Twilight Zone. hey Im all for being objective but this is just odd.

It is football. Miami was not waving the white flag in this game putting up 21 points in the 4th and continued to pass the ball. In the meantime the Pats did play backup QB's in the 4th qrt with M. Gutierrez and M Cassel. You are right though I'm being objective I realize the Pats are an outstanding team that is what I hope the Cowboys strive for as well. I'm also a fan of football and the NFL and I think it is shallow for fans to constantly complain about a team who without a doubt is playing the best football in the NFL right now.

 

[superonyx]

It was a 2 score game.

Hoodie said If Phillips had not called time out he'd run clock. Once the timeout was called he had to kick FG or give it to Cowboys if he kneeled.

Was a smart move to try and punch it in versus a botched FG or block.

If our defense had stopped them we get the ball and half a minute to do something, but we did not

Why do some people STILL want to give the Patriots the benefit of the doubt? I think you need to look at what this team has done this year and then decide if they deserve it. They have shown on several occations now a lack of respect and class. Not just in our game but in other games as well.
Please tell me what they have done to deserve being defended like they are getting?
It's not like we are accusing Tom Landry of running up the score. Stop making excuses for them.

 

[Kangaroo]

I did not care that they put up points. I always been the one if you can not stop them then that is your issue. I have had the score run up on me in Lacrosse and guess what you take the beating and move on.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It would be great to see those 72 Dolphins players faces if their current team goes 0-16 and another one (the Colts!) having a perfect regular season. Not sure if it would make them feel better when Dallas beats the Colts in the Superbowl, though.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What do you think the 1972 Dolphins would prefer?

A. That New England and Indianapolis lose to preserve them as the only undefeated Champion?

or...

B. That the Dolphins come around and start playing really good football?

Oh... thats easy... A.

 

[dogunwo]

I am rooting for Sean Taylor to remove Tom Brady's head WELL after the play is over this weekend, when he's still out there in the shotgun up 21 in the 4th.

Or better yet - blow out Tom Brady's knee.

You don't want him hurt? Don't put him out there in garbage time to embarass your opponent. That little turnip works both ways.

Get it done Chone Tailurz.

I am going to be called classless for it, but I wouldnt feel bad if Golden boy somehow suffers some lingering performance hampering injury while still spanking the Skins. That would be the only scenario that would have me feeling the best about that game.

 

[koolaid]

i totally support "running up the score" if thats what you want to call it
ill never condemn a player for doing his best on the field, that is just rediculous.
if you don't want it to happen, run the clock out yourself, don't expect the MERCY of another team.
The way i see it, its more like a challenge, the Pats are saying we "will always bring our A game, try and stop us"
i wish every NFL team had that mentality, we all saw what happened if you play conservative in the NFL against the Commanders not that long ago.
Its the NFL, man up or shut up

 

[InmanRoshi]

If Tiger Woods has a 10 stroke lead going into the final 4 holes, he doesn't stop trying to make birdie just because it makes the other golfers look bad. People used to accuse Jimmy Johnson of running up the score all the time with both the Cowboys and Hurricanes. As he used to say "It's your job to keep my team from scoring, not mine." If you believe the game is over and you don't want anyone scoring any more points ... fine, you quit trying to score. Stop calling timeouts, quit running the hurry up, take a knee every time your offense gets the ball and let the clock run. If you're in the submission hold, it's your job to tap out and end the match.


You only get a finite amount of offensive snaps in any given game or season, and Belichick, or Jimmy Johnson or anyone else has the right to utilize every one of them. If you've got backups in the game, all the more reason to run your normal offense to evaluate and prepare your backups who usually don't get game reps. This isn't Pop Warner or the family reunion pickup game, this is a multi billion dollar business of highly paid professionals. This whining about "stop making me look bad" is juvenile.

 

[Vtwin]

I wonder if there is a parallel between the age and the opinion on this subject.I mean, are the "there's nothing wrong with it" people consistently much younger then then "it's wrong" folks.When I was a kid it seemed that it was considered unsportsmanlike (read wrong) to pile on the points after the game was out of reach for the other team. Not saying nobody ever did it but it was considered in poor taste and if it did happen it was generally talked about in disgust by the vast majority of media and fans.Is the loss of the ideal of sportmanship real? If so is it just another sign that our society is sinking ever closer to bottom?A young, impressionable kid watching the NFL today is getting the idea that cheating is no big deal and that running up the score on an opponet is also no big deal.To me that is a big deal.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wonder if there is a parallel between the age and the opinion on this subject.I mean, are the "there's nothing wrong with it" people consistently much younger then then "it's wrong" folks.When I was a kid it seemed that it was considered unsportsmanlike (read wrong) to pile on the points after the game was out of reach for the other team. Not saying nobody ever did it but it was considered in poor taste and if it did happen it was generally talked about in disgust by the vast majority of media and fans.Is the loss of the ideal of sportmanship real? If so is it just another sign that our society is sinking ever closer to bottom?A young, impressionable kid watching the NFL today is getting the idea that cheating is no big deal and that running up the score on an opponet is also no big deal.To me that is a big deal.

Well colleges have been doing it for years. I agree I would not do it if it was my call to make. I will say NE played all 3 QB's in that game and Miami never stopped trying to score. They put 21 up in the 4th and I find it funny that Miami is unhappy because they wanted to keep playing yet expected NE to stop. Come on. Miami could have helped their cause by just running the clock out and getting off the field.

 

[cowboy625]

On the real, I have no problem with the score, because they are all professionals, but if he loses one of his big time players (like Brady or Moss), in a game that is out of reach, he'll have to live with it, and wil become the laughing stock of the league.

 

[InmanRoshi]

On the real, I have no problem with the score, because they are all professionals, but if he loses one of his big time players (like Brady or Moss), in a game that is out of reach, he'll have to live with it, and wil become the laughing stock of the league.

And on the otherhand, a coach can lose his job based on a single game if he lets an opponent come back on some flukey plays at the end of the game. Glen Mason lost his job at the University of Minnesota when he let Texas Tech overcome a 31 point deficit in the 4th quarter to come back to win in a bowl game last year.

I'd rather be the laughing stock with the W and a job.

 

[Doomsday101]

On the real, I have no problem with the score, because they are all professionals, but if he loses one of his big time players (like Brady or Moss), in a game that is out of reach, he'll have to live with it, and wil become the laughing stock of the league.

Brady came out of the game as did the starting RB. I don't know how many others sat late in the game but I don't think it is NE fault that Miami is a very poor team. With 11:35 in the 4th Brady came out the backup threw an int for a TD. Brady did return for a series and then was pulled for the 3rd string QB.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I wonder if there is a parallel between the age and the opinion on this subject.I mean, are the "there's nothing wrong with it" people consistently much younger then then "it's wrong" folks.When I was a kid it seemed that it was considered unsportsmanlike (read wrong) to pile on the points after the game was out of reach for the other team. Not saying nobody ever did it but it was considered in poor taste and if it did happen it was generally talked about in disgust by the vast majority of media and fans.Is the loss of the ideal of sportmanship real? If so is it just another sign that our society is sinking ever closer to bottom?A young, impressionable kid watching the NFL today is getting the idea that cheating is no big deal and that running up the score on an opponet is also no big deal.To me that is a big deal.

I think there's a correlation between two groups, it's probably between the people who have a personal hatred (or strong dislike) towards the Patriots and the ones who are "outraged" at them running up the score. In general, Cowboy fans didn't seem to be this sensitive to "running up the score" when Jimmy was accused of doing it in the early 90's, or when Reggie White wanted to kick Switzer's butt for sending in Boniol to kick his 7th field goal of a game that was way out of reach. Quite the opposite. I don't have a problem with "running up the score" whether it's the Cowboys or Patriots.