Sick of RGIII

[Reality]

RG3 is 1-1 in elimination games as a rookie and played both those games on one leg. I was referring to the games vs the Cowboys RG3 still has a ways to go to prove he's a "winner" in the big scheme of things but he did own the Cowboys last season and lead Washington to a winning season and a playoff birth. He didn't put up many passing yards in the season finale but he did do some damage with his legs one of which wasn't working very well and he didn't do anything to get his team beat. His knee finally gave out on him the following week vs Seattle.

Of course you can stretch it however you want, but the bottom line is that RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs when it matters. The Cowboys were not a good team last year, especially toward the end of the year so giving him accolades for beating an 8-8 team at home and then losing the next week in the playoffs is a reach. I think he's a good quarterback, but it is WAY too early to label him a "winner" at this point especially with no playoff wins.

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[Lonestar94]

Of course you can stretch it however you want, but the bottom line is that RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs when it matters. The Cowboys were not a good team last year, especially toward the end of the year so giving him accolades for beating an 8-8 team at home and then losing the next week in the playoffs is a reach. I think he's a good quarterback, but it is WAY too early to label him a "winner" at this point especially with no playoff wins.

/reality

If RG3 was a Cowboy he would be labeled a "loser" in KJJ's eyes.

 

[KJJ]

Of course you can stretch it however you want, but the bottom line is that RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs when it matters. The Cowboys were not a good team last year, especially toward the end of the year so giving him accolades for beating an 8-8 team at home and then losing the next week in the playoffs is a reach. I think he's a good quarterback, but it is WAY too early to label him a "winner" at this point especially with no playoff wins.

/reality

The year before RG3 arrived in Washington the Commanders were a 5-11 team. They hadn't made the playoffs since 07. Until last season Washington hadn't won 10 games since 05. With the style of QB RG3 is having a leg injury is a big disadvantage but even on a bad knee he was able limp for 63 yards vs the Cowboys in the season finale picking up some key 3rd downs. RG3 has played only one season in the NFL and won 10 games and got his team into the playoffs despite being injured. He was 10-3 his final season at Baylor so he does win games. Of course RG3 has a ways to go to be considered a "winner" you took my comment too literally.

 

[KJJ]

If RG3 was a Cowboy he would be labeled a "loser" in KJJ's eyes.

You don't see things through my eyes you're just another one with an agenda.

 

[KJJ]

Of course you can stretch it however you want, but the bottom line is that RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs when it matters.

/reality

True RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs and Romo is 1-3 so what does that mean in your opinion? Do you judge whether a QB is a "winner" strictly off their playoff record?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This thread reads almost exactly like many on Extremeskins complaining about Romo... Too much coverage, not a winner, all of it.

 

[KJJ]

If you judge whether a QB is a "winner" strictly off their playoff record Peyton Manning with his 9-11 playoff record wouldn't be considered a "winner."

 

[TheFinisher]

RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs and that's a winner? Maybe he will eventually be a winner, but to say that about him at this point is a reach.

I guess that loss goes to him because he started the game but they were dominating Seattle before RG3 got hurt. Very misleading to throw "his" 0-1 record out there.

 

[Mansta54]

RG3 is 1-1 in elimination games as a rookie and played both those games on one leg. I was referring to the games vs the Cowboys RG3 still has a ways to go to prove he's a "winner" in the big scheme of things but he did own the Cowboys last season and lead Washington to a winning season and a playoff birth. He didn't put up many passing yards in the season finale but he did do some damage with his legs one of which wasn't working very well and he didn't do anything to get his team beat. His knee finally gave out on him the following week vs Seattle.

Wow!! You sound like a envious closet Foreskin fan who has come out. Even if I thought it, I would NEVER take such a stance for a rival player and defend and prop him up so much. It may be silly but my BLUE-n-SILVER PRIDE just won't allow. That's just me! But carry on, tell us all about Bob.

 

[Reality]

True RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs and Romo is 1-3 so what does that mean in your opinion? Do you judge whether a QB is a "winner" strictly off their playoff record?

But I'm not making claims that "Tony Romo is a winner" like you did about RG3. I've been very upfront about Romo's lack of success when it matters. When/if Romo does well in the playoffs a few times, I may give him that label, but for now, I do not use it for him either. With RG3, he may turn out to be a great quarterback, but right now he's a guy who led his team to a win at home against an injury-depleted team that was already fading last year then lost a home playoff game against a solid team.

At this point, RG3 is 0-1 in the playoffs and has yet to win anything. After he goes deep into the playoffs 2-3 times, then you can label him a "winner" .. not after one season where he had the media hype on him from the moment he stepped on the field. RG3's a smart kid and is obviously talented, but labels such as "winner" have been thrown around so much based on hype and "potential", that the quality of the word has been diluted in recent years. Miles Austin and DeMarco Murray were "superstars" after their breakout seasons, yet what have they done since then?

Terms like "winner" should be reserved for players who have actually accomplished something, not those the media or fan bases have labeled based on expectations.

/reality

 

[KJJ]

Wow!! You sound like a envious closet Foreskin fan who has come out. Even if I thought it, I would NEVER take such a stance for a rival player and defend and prop him up so much. It may be silly but my BLUE-n-SILVER PRIDE just won't allow. That's just me! But carry on, tell us all about Bob.

Your view is silly and typical of a Cowboy FAN. I'm an objective fan and have no issue giving rival players credit. I've given Eli plenty of credit for what he's accomplished unlike FANS here who constantly tear his game down continuing to claim Romo is better despite Eli owning a better head to head record and 2 championships. The Commanders hadn't won the NFC East in 13 years until RG3 showed up. There was a lot of expectations placed on the kid and he delivered being named rookie of the year and leading his team to the playoffs while being injured.

 

[Rockport]

If RG3 was a Cowboy he would be labeled a "loser" in KJJ's eyes.

Amen to that!

 

[Rockport]

Wow!! You sound like a envious closet Foreskin fan who has come out. Even if I thought it, I would NEVER take such a stance for a rival player and defend and prop him up so much. It may be silly but my BLUE-n-SILVER PRIDE just won't allow. That's just me! But carry on, tell us all about Bob.

Hear, hear!

 

[khiladi]

I guess that loss goes to him because he started the game but they were dominating Seattle before RG3 got hurt. Very misleading to throw "his" 0-1 record out there.

No, they weren't. Seattle had the jitters, giving the Commanders a 3 and out, coupled by field position at the 48 on a bad kick. Once Seattle switched to man they shut the Commanders down. RG3 INT to Earl Thomas was purely a bad read on his part, i.e. ET saw i coming running half way across the field. En Aikman said it was a bad read. On the first play of the drive before that, RG was hit in the backfield and fumbles, though Commanders were given the ball back on a hold that had little to do with te actual play. The next two plays were runs Seattle shut down, followed by an incomplete 2 yard pass by RG3.

 

[Doomsday101]

Is it just me as a die hard Cowboys fan or are others sick of all the RGIII coverage.

I'm a die hard fan but it does not bother me that RGIII gets attention. He is a Heisman winner and has thus far had success in the NFL. I will never come down for a guy getting publisity because of the right things I only get down on players who get it for doing the wrong things.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I guess that loss goes to him because he started the game but they were dominating Seattle before RG3 got hurt. Very misleading to throw "his" 0-1 record out there.

RG3 played well into the 4th quarter

 

[KJJ]

I guess that loss goes to him because he started the game but they were dominating Seattle before RG3 got hurt. Very misleading to throw "his" 0-1 record out there.

He was hurt going into the game his knee finally gave out. The 0-1 is going to be part of his playoff record it's not misleading that's just the way it is.

 

[SkinsFan82]

RG3 played well into the 4th quarter

Yeah, on the second TD to go up 14-0 is when he injured his knee even further and he stayed in the game and continued playing at what looked like about 30%. Then obviously it eventually gave out completely.

 

[KJJ]

When a QB has a won a Heisman followed by an NFL rookie of the year award and helped lead their team that was 5-11 the year prior to a season finale win that had a playoff birth and a division title on the line you can't say they haven't won anything. There's a lot of things that constitutes being a "winner." If I said Romo wasn't a "winner" because of his 1-3 playoff record I would be torpedoed. The regular season has to count for something and so do division titles. If you say a QB isn't a "winner" strictly off their playoff record then you're pinning every loss entirely on the QB. RG3 exhibits qualities of a "winner" which is why he was successful in college and so far has been successful in the NFL. He has intangibles associated with a "winner."

He displays leadership and is able to raise the level of play of this teammates and he excites the fans. He has a swagger/confidence about him and I honestly believe barring further injuries he's going to be a great player for a number of years. If his knees (health) holds up Washington is going to dominate the NFC East for a number of years. By the time RG3 is reaching his prime (27-28) Romo will be done and the Cowboys will be looking for another QB. With RG3, Kaepernick and Russell Wilson you won't have a prayer of reaching the SB without a comparable QB. It's a QB driven league and barring serious injury Washington, SF and Seattle are set for the next decade at QB.

All 3 QB's are dynamic players at the position who will continue to improve and if you don't have a QB who can compete with them you'll never get past them when it matters most. If the Cowboys are going to make waves they better start making it happen soon because Romo at 33 isn't going to get any better and those other QB's are just scratching the surface on their potential. As for RG3 wouldn't surprise me if he gets off to a slow start this season and possibly has a down year. Not playing in any preseason games to gain some confidence on his repaired knee was a big mistake in my opinion.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Yeah, on the second TD to go up 14-0 is when he injured his knee even further and he stayed in the game and continued playing at what looked like about 30%. Then obviously it eventually gave out completely.

Cry me a river.

Romo got his choker label because he had to pull double duty and be the field goal holder in his first playoff try.

RG3’s label could be how he is not durable. He already has to play scared waving his hands in the air on the rb exchange.