CFZ Signing LVE this off-season vs Signing Bobby Wagner

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Boys were never serious to begin with. They were all in for LVE anyways.

 

[fivetwos]

Yeah except when the Cowboys drafted Claiborne and the reports came out it would have been Wagner and Brockers if they hadn't, I'd bet my wedding tackle you were happy with Claiborne.

Admit it.

Wedding tackle?

 

[nightrain]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

I think he likely would have opted for the Seahawks if the Cowboys weren't offering substantially more.

 

[charron]

Because it made sense. Hell i'd sign them both just in case if i could make it work for the 53.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

It was the exact type of losing move that the front office has made for years. They will NEVER be willing to add the final pieces that are required to go from being a good team to a dangerous team.

 

[Cmac]

Jerry should be shameful just by the mere fact he thinks he is fooling many.

 

[Jake]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

Do we know if Dallas was Wagner's preferred destination? He had a lot of good years in Seattle and it's familiar surroundings.

A third team in three years or return to Seattle? I don't know, of course, but I wouldn't be shocked if Seattle was his preference.

 

[IceStar-D7]

If we only had a real GM. Just think how many Super Bowls we would of had by now. Jerry is a complete fool when it comes to football.

 

[Runwildboys]

Wedding tackle?

She tried to get away.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I'm mad i wasnt tagged in this thread

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yep. It's just sickening. They constantly overrate their own because they can't evaluate talent.

Just like most of our fans who think jeff heath, tyrone crawford, and scandrick were good players lol

 

[Hennessy_King]

If we had signed Wagner we would be getting the same type of post today about him that we’re getting about Gilmore. It was a complete defensive breakdown vs mis direction. One player wasn’t going to change that not even a young Wagner much less the old washed up one!

LVE has been one of the worst lbers against misdirection ive seen. Him and jaylon got cooked on it constantly. They were the reason we got crushed against the rams in the playoffs

 

[Risen Star]

Wedding tackle?

I DM'd you pics.

 

[Walker]

I was all for Wagner coming over and the fact their #s are similar is sickening and I am not even a LVE hater. Just comparing the two players its light and day which one would help our team more for similar price.

 

[quickccc]

Do we know if Dallas was Wagner's preferred destination? He had a lot of good years in Seattle and it's familiar surroundings.

A third team in three years or return to Seattle? I don't know, of course, but I wouldn't be shocked if Seattle was his preference.

Didn't Wagner visited the Ravens before making his final decision to return to Seattle ?

At age 33, Wagner was coming off his actual best season stats wise with the Rams, with a career-high 170 tackles in 16 games played, and also recorded a sack and an interception.

I thought he could have provided the leadership and playmaking ability here with the Cowboys that LVE could not/was not - if his price was right.

 

[john van brocklin]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

Our front office overvalues their own free agents.
Been a problem for Years.

 

[Praxit]

..wow, thats nuts. Of course, Wagner for me. But then if LVE, intercepts Purdy in the End Zone.

Im going to be hating myself. ..

 

[fivetwos]

I DM'd you pics.

The day that YOU take the time to send a DM to ME is the day I begin to develop an over-exaggerated sense of self importance, so maybe we avoid that part.

It does however beg the question….wedding tackle or business decision?

Fair question.

 

[Coogiguy03]

DOES JORDAN DAVIS NEED 3 YEARS TO DEVELOP LOL

 

[Gambit]

All this is assuming Wagner wanted to come to Dallas.

Despite what people say not every player wants to be a Cowboy.

I just wish we had drafted him to start with!

Bingo