CFZ Signing LVE this off-season vs Signing Bobby Wagner

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Just another miss by a front office that keeps failing. Worst LBs in the NFL if we consider Micah an edge?
 
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BossRhino said:
Oh come on. This is a post looking for likes after a bad week by LVE, shaking my damn head
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There are bad weeks and then there are weeks when the team would have been better off if the player had missed the flight. LVE had the latter kind of game. There should be zero tolerance for such wild swings in performance. He is a seasoned veteran and we need to be able to count on him.
 
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Bobhaze said:
I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:
  • LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
  • Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.
I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:
  • LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
  • Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.
LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.
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Yep, I was saying it all off-season that Wagner was what we needed at LB.
 
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Wagner even at his age is in a completely different stratosphere than LVE. Can't really compare them at all except for the money and the op is right. Wagner has said he wanted to play in Dallas for years now and if Jerruh and his offspring could have gotten him for the same price Seattle did it's clearly another blunder.
 
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My problem with LVE is that since his rookie season, he seems much slower and regularly gets turned around and out of position.

He makes a good play every so often, but too often he seems slow or lost on plays. I remember last year seeing a few tackles by him where he tackled players while falling into them facing another direction.

It's not like I expect the Cowboys to have All-Pros at every position, but the Cowboys have had some solid linebackers over the years who were not All-Pros.

Players like Sean Lee (when healthy), Dat Nguyen, Bradie James, etc. were not on DeMarcus Ware's level, but they were players you could count on to make plays regularly.
 
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