CFZ Signing LVE this off-season vs Signing Bobby Wagner

[rambo2]

Yes but they are not expected to do much like we are.

I expect good things from them.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

I expect good things from them.

My bad, I meant like we are supposed to be. Meant people aren’t as high on them as us.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yes but they are not expected to do much like we are.

Exactly

 

[Creeper]

I haven't seen Wagner play yet this year. I will make it a point to catch a Seattle game or two. LVE has been up and down this year. I guess that is who he is. He will make a good play then look stupid on two plays. On the 45 yard TD run by Rondale Moore, LVE watch Moore break out of the pack and into the secondary. LVE looked frozen and by the time he reacted he took a bad angle to cut him off and Moore ran by him. Could just be the whole team was off but this is what LVE does. Poor instincts. He loses the ball at times and he is to slow to recover. I was not in favor or getting Bobby Wagner. I thought he would want too much money and also he is too old. We are 3 games into the season so there is a long way to go before we evaluate both players. But I do think some of their run defense issue is the LBs lacking instincts. LVE needs to be way more aggressive IMO. See the ball. Run to the ball.

 

[Cowfan75]

Because we ALWAYS pass on Wagner, and it's always the wrong move. Jerry makes moves based on who he loves, not on who can better help us win. So we watch LVE lumber around out there trying to catch anyone. Same stuff, different year.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Can't assume that Wagner would have signed a similar contract at other teams, or the Cowboys.

Seattle was his home, and working his identity as a Seahawk is good for his finances during this season and beyond.

 

[DanA]

I don’t think we were ever getting Wagner for 5.5m but do think he had interest. I just don’t think LVE is a good player, he’s too weak getting off blocks and the injury history puts him as a relatively unreliable player. The were other better options IMO even if we didn’t get Wagner.

 

[vig454]

Not only Micah but did you see Ceedee body language when the camera was on him. He had given up already.

 

[Cowboys4lifeGR]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

Precise and once again, a great post.

 

[Einstein]

I agree Wagner is the better player, however do we know that he actually wanted to come to Dallas for the same deal? He has ties to Seattle, so maybe he gave the "go home discount".

 

[MyFairLady]

Yep. It's just sickening. They constantly overrate their own because they can't evaluate talent.

IMHO it is more about falling in love with your own guys and wanting them to do well so badly that you constantly pick them over better options. It is like they are his children and he will always favor them. FWIW I didn't want either LVE or Wagner.

 

[Adiba1977]

Micah needs play some lb other than obvious passing no downs. No point to constantly aggressively rush passer every down. Not sure why he’s playing de all the time other than for $$$

 

[CCBoy]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

To this fan, the answer would have been to sign them both and get a true stable picture at linebacker. I agree on run stopping and in the center of the field. Then the safety use would help even more off tackle and outside.

 

[Cmac]

LVE has been one of the worst lbers against misdirection ive seen. Him and jaylon got cooked on it constantly. They were the reason we got crushed against the rams in the playoffs

With the plan to neutralize Micah by running at him....LVE should have acquired more tackles in that game. Been a liability for years but granted love. LVE has no lateral speed.

 

[IslandCowboy]

Finally something that we can all agree on, the incompetence of this front office.

 

[CCBoy]

Yeah except when the Cowboys drafted Claiborne and the reports came out it would have been Wagner and Brockers if they hadn't, I'd bet my wedding tackle you were happy with Claiborne.

Admit it.

I fell asleep on my wedding night

 

[John813]

I don't think Wagner ever seriously considered Dallas unless this FO gave him a contract similar to the one he signed in LA.
During his first FA stint it was reported, who knows on the validity, that he preferred to stay on the west coast.
Dallas isn't NY or Miami, but it's still a good distance from the Pacific.

Obviously, Wagner at 33 > LVE even in his rookie year. But since players have their own goals and wants I'm not sure this is a realistic comparison

 

[phildadon86]

I was very much in favor of signing Bobby Wagner this off-season as opposed to signing LVE. Wagner is a HOF talent who has continued to perform at very high level, even now at 33. As I watched the Cowboys once again get gashed in the running game yesterday, I wondered again, “Why didn’t we sign Bobby Wagner?”

The argument I heard from our FO against signing Wagner was pretty much centered on the idea that he was too expensive and at 33 was on the downside of a great career. Problem is when I looked at Wagner’s deal with Seattle and compared it to LVE, here’s what I discovered:

• LVE’s contract: signed a 2 year, $8,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $5,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000.
• Bobby Wagner‘s contract with Sea: signed a 1 year, $5,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including a $1,250,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,500,000.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t have signed Wagner. His guaranteed amount is only $500k more than LVE’s deal.

Now let’s compare stats after (only) 3 games:

• LVE: 14 Total tackles, 10 solo, 4 assisted, 0 TFLs, 0 sacks
• Wagner: 33 Total tackles, 18 solo, 15 assisted, 1 TFL, 0 sacks.

LVE has not played bad until yesterday. But he’s always been a health risk and has missed 16 games in 5 years. Wagner has only missed 2 games in last 5 years. He’s incredibly durable.

Wagner is a beast against the run and we could have had him for almost the same price. I’m not a LVE hater. But who would you rather have right now? LVE or Wagner? At almost the same price.

I was screaming for this until he signed with Seattle. This is the second time this FO didn’t pull the trigger on bringing in a great veteran who can still play (obviously) and who has championship experience and a connection to the current DC. He was an all
Pro last year and was the highest graded linebacker against the run.

Watching LVE trying to chase down whoever that was on Sunday was sad. This front office constantly lies and says “we will do whatever it takes” what they mean is. “As long as we like it”

 

[Hennessy_King]

I was screaming for this until he signed with Seattle. This is the second time this FO didn’t pull the trigger on bringing in a great veteran who can still play (obviously) and who has championship experience and a connection to the current DC. He was an all
Pro last year and was the highest graded linebacker against the run.

Watching LVE trying to chase down whoever that was on Sunday was sad. This front office constantly lies and says “we will do whatever it takes” what they mean is. “As long as we like it”

Vander Trash is so bad against the run its crazy

 

[blueblood70]

So let me get this clear first two weeks we were headed towards a Super Bowl championship team defense now we have one bad game and now we start comparing what we might be missing?? More overreaction this place is priceless the 50 different opinions on why this team lost instead of the fact that we just lost the game..

It was clear why we lost the game 3 missing starting offensive lineman a missing Pro Bowl cornerback and a bunch of penalties...