Singletary's PC

[rcaldw]

The difference between those guys and Singletary is that they're not idiots. Singletary is.

And what makes him an idiot? I think he is far from an idiot. I think he is a high quality person and he certainly did a great job last year.

 

[Dawgs0916]

I actually thought that Singletary was very fair to Crabtree in his comments. He noted that the young man had a career to concern himself with. I took that to mean that the coach understood the business concerns and the business side of things. At the same time, Singletary was only going to concern himself with players that are currently on the team. Very fair comments and at the same time had a no nonsense kind of tone to it.

And see I kind of took it that he was giving him an underlying message.

I took it as "he has a career to think about" as in, he's losing valuable time with his teammates, and its holding his football career back right now.

 

[Nav22]

Wow. Didn't know my usage of "crap" would cause such an uproar. I didn't mean for it to come across as me thinking it WAS crap (weird, I know) of Singletary to do that, I meant for "crap" to be synonymous with "stuff".

I like Singletary too, and I love the fact that he had it in him to call Davis out like he did.

I just don't think he'll last as an NFL head coach if he makes it a habit to publicly call his players out, especially the "star" players. And the stars know they're worth more to the team than the head coach is... which renders that style obsolete in this day and age.

Pretend Alex Smith or Shaun Hill is a franchise QB for a second (a stretch, I know). If Singletary publicly feuds with the franchise QB and the front office has to pick a side, there's no question they're kicking Mike to the curb.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I definitely see some uniqueness in Singletary's approach, but in terms of the STYLE that he represents, it has long been proven to be effective.

Vince Lombardi
Tom Landry
Bill Parcells
Bill Belicheat
Jimmy Johnson
even Tom Coughlin

All no nonsense kind of guys and big on discipline. It worked.

Keyword in Cobra's post is unproven. And that's exactly what Singletary is.

All the guys you listed were in the business a long time and earned skins on the wall before getting a HC opportunity. He's been a coach for how many years total? Four, maybe...and not even as a coordinator.

I absolutely love Singletary's intensity, but it has to translate to the field, just like when he was a player.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Wow. Didn't know my usage of "crap" would cause such an uproar. I didn't mean for it to come across as me thinking it WAS crap (weird, I know) of Singletary to do that, I meant for "crap" to be synonymous with "stuff".

I like Singletary too, and I love the fact that he had it in him to call Davis out like he did.

I just don't think he'll last as an NFL head coach if he makes it a habit to publicly call his players out, especially the "star" players. And the stars know they're worth more to the team than the head coach is... which renders that style obsolete in this day and age.

Pretend Alex Smith or Shaun Hill is a franchise QB for a second (a stretch, I know). If Singletary publicly feuds with the franchise QB and the front office has to pick a side, there's no question they're kicking Mike to the curb.

This exact scenario already occurred, with the other Mike.

But Davis is no star, he's a punk who thinks because he has the size and speed to BE good, he doesn't have to concern himself with actually being good, and sacrificing a little lazy time to help his team win ballgames.

 

[theogt]

And what makes him an idiot? I think he is far from an idiot. I think he is a high quality person and he certainly did a great job last year.

Well, he can't actually coordinate a defense and has the reputation of not being an Xs and Os guy, which basically says to me that he's a glorified cheerleader. "Idiot" may be a little strong, but there were serious questions about his intellect back when he was a potential candidate for the Cowboys HC job.

 

[rcaldw]

Wow. Didn't know my usage of "crap" would cause such an uproar. I didn't mean for it to come across as me thinking it WAS crap (weird, I know) of Singletary to do that, I meant for "crap" to be synonymous with "stuff".

I like Singletary too, and I love the fact that he had it in him to call Davis out like he did.

I just don't think he'll last as an NFL head coach if he makes it a habit to publicly call his players out, especially the "star" players. And the stars know they're worth more to the team than the head coach is... which renders that style obsolete in this day and age.

Pretend Alex Smith or Shaun Hill is a franchise QB for a second (a stretch, I know). If Singletary publicly feuds with the franchise QB and the front office has to pick a side, there's no question they're kicking Mike to the curb.

I think you are probably right, but I also think that one of the best things an NFL club could do right now, if they find the RIGHT head coach, is to back him to the hilt, and stop the inmates running the asylum approach to football. If a team would do this they might find out they have a long term approach to winning, and that it would restore a sense of order and normalcy.

 

[DallasEast]

I definitely see some uniqueness in Singletary's approach, but in terms of the STYLE that he represents, it has long been proven to be effective.

Vince Lombardi
Tom Landry
Bill Parcells
Bill Belicheat
Jimmy Johnson
even Tom Coughlin

All no nonsense kind of guys and big on discipline. It worked.

As the league matures, those guys are more the exception than the rule. Today's players (or at least most in my opinion) want discipline, but usually on their terms.

Gone are the days when hardnosed coaches can instill their sense of coaching philosophy without restriction. Nowadays, coaches have to be aware that they do not cross some sort of emotional line with certain players. Because once that line has been crossed, those players will revolt. Nothing is more disruptive to team harmony than a few players who can't hack it with their head coach.

 

[jobberone]

I heard about his comments on Mike & Mike this morning. Singletary has always been a 'I say what I mean and I mean what I say' kinda guy. I respect the hell out of him and wish him the best of success as a head coach. Of course, it would be much better (for me) if he wasn't the 49ers' head coach.

Ditto on that esp the latter. Still hate the 49ers. How's the mod job working for ya?

 

[rcaldw]

Well, he can't actually coordinate a defense and has the reputation of not being an Xs and Os guy, which basically says to me that he's a glorified cheerleader. "Idiot" may be a little strong, but there were serious questions about his intellect back when he was a potential candidate for the Cowboys HC job.

Wow. I had never heard that before. If that is the case then he better hope his leadership skills include finding good coordinators. Otherwise, substance wins over style in the long run.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Wow. I had never heard that before. If that is the case then he better hope his leadership skills include finding good coordinators. Otherwise, substance wins over style in the long run.

I'm in no way saying theogt is lying, but I would love to see those reports on his intellect when he was trying to be our HC.

I never saw them, and in fact remember him having one of the longer interview sessions with Jerry.

 

[DallasEast]

Ditto on that esp the latter. Still hate the 49ers. How's the mod job working for ya?

It's been great. Everyone's been very supportive.

...well, except for Yeager. You've got to keep a close eye on that guy. He's sneaky and...

Yikes! You know what? Yeager's a G-R-E-A-T guy!

 

[Nav22]

I think you are probably right, but I also think that one of the best things an NFL club could do right now, if they find the RIGHT head coach, is to back him to the hilt, and stop the inmates running the asylum approach to football. If a team would do this they might find out they have a long term approach to winning, and that it would restore a sense of order and normalcy.

I agree to an extent. Jeff Fisher, Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, and Bill Cowher are/were great examples of this.

An exception to this line of thinking would be if a guy like Tony Dungy (proven to be a terrific HC and definitely the "right" coach when he was in Indy) were to feud with a Peyton Manning. There's just no way you can justify taking the coach's side in such a feud... you might win with another coach, but no way in hell will you stay a contender after losing Peyton Manning.

Josh McDaniels will soon learn the hard way why it's generally best to stay on your franchise QB's good side.

 

[watertown]

He will be unemployed next year at this time

 

[iceberg]

His coaching style is better suited for the college game. I just don't think highly paid pro athletes will take his crap for very long, especially if he's the head coach calling players out publicly like he did Davis.

is he supposed to drop hints and hope the prima donna is paying attention?

they're men. tell it like it is and tell the players THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!!!!

love singletary. wish we'd have found a way to get him.

 

[DallasEast]

He will be unemployed next year at this time

Well, that's a reach.

 

[jobberone]

As the league matures, those guys are more the exception than the rule. Today's players (or at least most in my opinion) want discipline, but usually on their terms.

Gone are the days when hardnosed coaches can instill their sense of coaching philosophy without restriction. Nowadays, coaches have to be aware that they do not cross some sort of emotional line with certain players. Because once that line has been crossed, those players will revolt. Nothing is more disruptive to team harmony than a few players who can't hack it with their head coach.

Yeah, well I've got a job for them......somewhere else. If they fussed too much I'd fine them. If I thought they were a detriment I'd bench them. Finally, I'd get them for conduct detrimental to the team and stop paying them AMAP. Screw the prima donna crap.

 

[Dawgs0916]

is he supposed to drop hints and hope the prima donna is paying attention?

they're men. tell it like it is and tell the players THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!!!!

love singletary. wish we'd have found a way to get him.

What do you mean? We did have a way. Simply hire him when we were looking for a new coach.

Instead we went with Wade, and while I actually do like Wade, I just can't contain my "affection" for the way Singletary runs his football team.

I think he's the type of guy where contracts, draft position, or state of birth, aren't going to matter in regards to where you are on the depth chart.

 

[Dawgs0916]

"Right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team. It is more about them than it is about the team.

Cannot play with them. Cannot WIN with them. Cannot coach with them. WONT do it. I want WINNERS. I want people that WANNA win."


What a load of crap.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Back when we interviewed Singletary, he'd never even been a coordinator before and didn't have the Xs and Os knowledge to be a HC. It would've been a real stretch to hire a total unknown like him to run a playoff-ready team. By the time the Niners hired him, at least he'd been a DC for a year or two.

And they stunk (stink) so badly, they had little to lose and were probably willing to let him have a year or two of OJT while he figured things out. That wasn't the case with us.

I do love how some people act like being a drill sergeant is all that matters in coaching. The truth is, plenty of "tough guy" head coaches have flamed out, just like every other style.