SI's King says Skins have best skill players in the NFC East

[JohnL2288]

When I first started reading this, I hadn't looked at the poster's name. By the time I got to "deepest at all the skill positions" I figured this must a Skins fan. Checked out the poster's name and touche'.

yeah, almost as bad as the Giants fan that thinks they are going 14-2

 

[DaBoys4Life]

QB: Huge edge to us
RB: Edge to the Skins...Portis and Betts are proven.
TE: Edge to Cowboys...No equal right now to Witten. Cooley is close.
WR: Edge to Cowboys...No equal to TO. Crayton is better than ARE. Skins are relying on rooks...unproven

So, I don't know where he got that. The only edge the Skins have on us is RB.

NFC East:
QB:
Dallas 4
NYG 3
Philly 2
Washington 1

RB:
Washington 4
Philly 3
NYG 2
Dallas 1

WR:
NYG 4
Dallas 3
Washington 2
Philly 1

TE:
Dallas 4
Washington 3
Philly 2
NYG 1

Dallas 12
NYG 10
Washington 10
Philly 8

how are the Giants WR rated higher than ours?

 

[Bizwah]

The Skins have a lot of young talent on offense, more so than any team in the division. They are also the deepest at the skill positions in the division. They don't the best QB or the best WR, the rest is debatable.

Let's examine your list.

• Portis and Betts are the best RB combo in the East, without a doubt.

• I can buy this. Barber is a fine player, but we don't know what we have yet in Choice or Jones.
  
  

  [*]Cooley and Davis are the best 1-2 TE combo in the division, perhaps the league by the end of the year.

  ...Uhhh...How can you say that? Cooley isn't as good as Witten. How do you know anything about Davis? Shoot, Bennett may wind up being better than him. In fact, many draft pubs had Bennett ahead of Davis....which has us better. As it stands, our number one is better than yours. Our number two TE (Curtis) had more TD catches than your number two WR.
  
  

  [*]Moss, Randle El, Thomas, and Kelly - no team in the East has as much talent at WR.

  Again, how? Moss and ARE are simply OK. Our number one is better than your number one...our number two is better than your number two. Thomas and Kelley haven't played a down of professional football. They may bust bigtime. As a matter of fact, the bust rate on WRs is pretty high. Hurd had three TD catches last year....that's as many TDs that your number one WR had.
  
  

  [*]Campbell has a lot to prove this year - we'll see how that goes. Collins is the best #2 QB in the division.

Collins is better than Carr? Collins, the guy who never could hold onto a number one job anywhere, is better than any number two out there?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Skins have a lot of young talent on offense, more so than any team in the division. They are also the deepest at the skill positions in the division. They don't the best QB or the best WR, the rest is debatable.

really? who?? 3 rookies, who have a 50% chance of turning into nothing, but hang your hat on it...

• Portis and Betts are the best RB combo in the East, without a doubt.

did you forget '07? Betts was horrible, he's a middling talent

I'll give you Portis over Barber though

• Cooley and Davis are the best 1-2 TE combo in the division, perhaps the league by the end of the year.

we have the best TE in the division and you forget that we also drafted a highly talented TE in the 2nd round too, sorry

• Moss, Randle El, Thomas, and Kelly - no team in the East has as much talent at WR.

all that talent at WR, and yet still no certifiable #1

• Campbell has a lot to prove this year - we'll see how that goes. Collins is the best #2 QB in the division.

you just like throwing **** together, dont' you? Collins is nearing 40 years old, enjoy it while it lasts, which won't be long

 

[Bizwah]

how are the Giants WR rated higher than ours?

Owens is better than Burress...no doubt. But he's still pretty good.

Toomer and Crayton are close. Slight edge to Crayton...he's younger and more of a TD maker.

But beyond the first two?
Well, Steve Smith really came on last year. I think he'll be better than Hurd or Austin. David Tyree, Sinorice Moss, and Manningham make for a pretty solid-looking group.

 

[28 Joker]

T.O. + Witten (alone) = Not even close

I guess King forgot the 4 TDs T.O. hung on Washington.

T.O. is the ultimate weapon.

 

[Teague31]

last i checked QB was a skill position which makes this whole thing a joke.

 

[28 Joker]

The Skins should have drafted Mike Jenkins, imo. He was the best available player at a need position for them. Thank you very much for trading out. The Eagles could have used Jenkins, too. Lito is probably on his way out. Thank you, Andy Reid.

Devin Thomas is very raw. He is going to take some time to adjust. Trading out and passing on Jenkins, for Thomas, might come back to bite them. Rodgers is coming off a bad injury, and Snyder is itching to get rid of Springs.

They did pick up a first next year, but getting a corner like Jenkins in the 20s is almost unheard of. They will be hard pressed to get another shot at a top notch corner next year, even with two picks. Usually, there's only two or three of those guys available in round one. 2008 was a very deep class.

Washington has some good skill people, but Moss has been up and down. Kelly and Thomas are unproven.

T.O. gives the decided edge to Dallas. Felix Jones is lurking, and the transition he is about to make is much easier than the one Kelly and Thomas are about to start.

 

[28 Joker]

last i checked QB was a skill position which makes this whole thing a joke.

For some reason, I didn't think about QB. Yeah, that is a big one. You are right about that one. King must have really flaked out after his team lost the Super Bowl.

Romo + T.O. + Witten = What is King sniffing?

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Peter King is an idiot, I can't take anything he says seriously... His mancrush on Parcells was insane.

 

[5Stars]

For some reason, I didn't think about QB. Yeah, that is a big one. You are right about that one. King must have really flaked out after his team lost the Super Bowl.

Romo + T.O. + Witten = What is King sniffing?

King is not sniffing nothing! King is at the bank cashing a check for $20,000 made out to him from the Midget for writing this article.

Anyone in their right mind (without any colored glasses for any team) will tell you that the Cowboys have a much better team than the Washington Racial Slurs, aside from MAYBE one or two position! But from an overall team standpoint, the Cowboys are much better! Hell, just "QCambell" (thanks Cobra) brings that team down about two or three notches.

 

[AbeBeta]

2007 Stats:

ARE: 51 Catches 728 Yards 1 TD
Crayton 50 Catches 697 Yards 7 TDs

Now, you must consider that Crayton has to compete for catches with Witten and TO...yet, he still has virtually the same numbers as ARE: minus the TDs...where Crayton kicks his tail.

Randal-El is a far more dynamic player - also, Crayton played in a FAR better offense.

By comparison, Washington -- Passer Rating 82.9, 319-525 for 3463 with 18TD and 11 int. Dallas Passer Rating 95.7, 342-531 for 4105 with 36TD and 19 int.

Your "competing for catches" explanation makes no sense. Randal-El is competing for catches with Santana Moss AND Chris Cooley. Why do he have fewer TDs? Because his quarterback sucks

 

[Bizwah]

Randal-El is a far more dynamic player - also, Crayton played in a FAR better offense.

By comparison, Washington -- Passer Rating 82.9, 319-525 for 3463 with 18TD and 11 int. Dallas Passer Rating 95.7, 342-531 for 4105 with 36TD and 19 int.

Your "competing for catches" explanation makes no sense. Randal-El is competing for catches with Santana Moss AND Chris Cooley. Why do he have fewer TDs? Because his quarterback sucks

If ARE is a more dynamic player, why did he only have one TD? You say his QB sucks....but shoot....he's a dynamic player. He should have more than ONE TD.

Crayton simply is better right now.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the only skill position the Commanders can even be in the arguement for is RB
Just a stupid comment that was obviously not well thought out

Brian Westbrook is the best RB in the East. The argument is whether Portis is #2 or not.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Do people really care?

The uncomplicated answer is:

No.

 

[AbeBeta]

If ARE is a more dynamic player, why did he only have one TD? You say his QB sucks....but shoot....he's a dynamic player. He should have more than ONE TD.

Crayton simply is better right now.

The Skins threw half the TDs that the Cowboys did - their #1 WR only had 3 TDs -- does that mean Santana Moss isn't a good WR? They just don't throw the ball well - and you can't score TDs when your QB is not putting you in position to do so (or can't get you the ball)

 

[Vintage]

I'd love to hear a good argument how the Skins TE situation is better than ours, lol.

Wow.

And give the Skins credit, they do have good RB depth. But who gives a ****? I'd rather have Westbrook and whoever than Portis and Betts.

Some serious Skin homers here....LOL.

 

[Bizwah]

The Skins threw half the TDs that the Cowboys did - their #1 WR only had 3 TDs -- does that mean Santana Moss isn't a good WR? They just don't throw the ball well - and you can't score TDs when your QB is not putting you in position to do so (or can't get you the ball)

Do they not throw the ball well due to poor QB play? Or, perhaps the WRs aren't getting open? Maybe it's a combo of both?

Santana Moss is no where near the player he was a few years ago. So, I think he's merely a good player. Not a great one. He spent a lot of time injured last year...

ARE has never been a great WR. He was a decent PR at one time, and that's where he really made a name for himself. Now, ARE is a better PR than Crayton....but Crayton is a better WR.

 

[AbeBeta]

Do they not throw the ball well due to poor QB play? Or, perhaps the WRs aren't getting open? Maybe it's a combo of both?

Dude, we are talking about Jason Campbell here -- clearly it is poor QB play.

Santana Moss is no where near the player he was a few years ago. So, I think he's merely a good player. Not a great one. He spent a lot of time injured last year...

ARE has never been a great WR. He was a decent PR at one time, and that's where he really made a name for himself. Now, ARE is a better PR than Crayton....but Crayton is a better WR.

Great WR's are neither of them.

But here's the true test. What did each player do in their team's most important game?

ARE - playoff game vs. Seattle. 10 catches for 94 yards and one TD. That was his highest catch total of the season.

PC - 3 catches for 27 yards. One huge drop. One huge play where he stopped running.

 

[Bizwah]

Dude, we are talking about Jason Campbell here -- clearly it is poor QB play.



Great WR's are neither of them.

But here's the true test. What did each player do in their team's most important game?

ARE - playoff game vs. Seattle. 10 catches for 94 yards and one TD. That was his highest catch total of the season.

PC - 3 catches for 27 yards. One huge drop. One huge play where he stopped running.

I chalk that up to more experience.

The stats are clear IMO. Plus, I go by what I see on a weekly basis.

ARE is not as good, right now, as Patrick Crayton.

Neither are really playing where they should be. Both are more suited for number three roles.

As far as Career stats....It's not contest. ARE's stats are better. He came into the NFL and did very well.

But Crayton has been playing better the last few years. You claim that it's all because of bad QB play that ARE's stats aren't very good, but even with him in his 8th year he still only has 11 TDs receiving compared to Crayton's 14 TDs (in his fifth year).

In ARE's best year with a REAL QB...in other words on the Pitt SB winning team, ARE had 43 catches for 601 yards and 3tds.

His stats are similar throughout his career. I believe he's reached his potential. Crayton's numbers have continued to go up. I believe his best football is still ahead of him.

Anyway, you claimed that ARE was the best number two in the division. The stats simply say there's a big arguement that can be made against him. Crayton's stats are very similar....and in some cases (TDs, AVG PR yards) Crayton is ahead.