SI's King says Skins have best skill players in the NFC East

[bbgun]

Would I be excited about this year if we had Romo, Moss, Randle-El, Cooley, Portis, and Felix Jones? Yes. But I'd rather have our guys.

 

[JohnL2288]

Brian Westbrook is the best RB in the East. The argument is whether Portis is #2 or not.

I agree, but Portis is in the argument. Philly has nothing after Westbrook however, so that is why I think that Portis and Bettis might be the best combo.

 

[JohnL2288]

Would I be excited about this year if we had Romo, Moss, Randle-El, Cooley, Portis, and Felix Jones? Yes. But I'd rather have our guys.

and it's not even close

 

[Bizwah]

I agree, but Portis is in the argument. Philly has nothing after Westbrook however, so that is why I think that Portis and Bettis might be the best combo.

And don't forget, there's really not too much behind Westbrook.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

and he also pked the Vikes for the SB

 

[Hostile]

What you folks don't realize is that Skill is a saw. So what he was really saying is the Commanders have the best carpenters in the NFC East.

 

[Scotman]

What you folks don't realize is that Skill is a saw. So what he was really saying is the Commanders have the best carpenters in the NFC East.

Which gave all of the Commander fans wood.

 

[Hostile]

Which gave all of the Commander fans wood.

All of them? Even the ones in dresses?


Oh wait...

 

[Scotman]

All of them? Even the ones in dresses?


Oh wait...

There's a reason Danny bought the team.

 

[AbeBeta]

I chalk that up to more experience.

ONE year more experience.

The stats are clear IMO. Plus, I go by what I see on a weekly basis.

Yes, don't go by what people do in the most important game of the season. That would be plain stupid. Sorry, what you do in the playoff is far more important that your final week is far more important than what you did to pile on in a blowout of the Rams.

ARE is not as good, right now, as Patrick Crayton.

ARE had similar numbers during the regular season and played very well in the playoffs. Hmmmm.

But Crayton has been playing better the last few years. You claim that it's all because of bad QB play that ARE's stats aren't very good, but even with him in his 8th year he still only has 11 TDs receiving compared to Crayton's 14 TDs (in his fifth year).

In ARE's best year with a REAL QB...in other words on the Pitt SB winning team, ARE had 43 catches for 601 yards and 3tds.

Dude, do you even watch football? That year the Steelers RARELY threw the ball -- Rothesberger averaged 21 attempts per game. Randal-El managed 43 catches that year despite playing behind Ward AND Burress.

Also, Randal-El has played 6 years. Crayton four. Randal-El has been on teams that just don't throw much and/or have crap QBs. Crayton has played with one of the league's top performers the past two years. That Randal-El could even approach his numbers says a ton for his skill

Anyway, you claimed that ARE was the best number two in the division. The stats simply say there's a big arguement that can be made against him. Crayton's stats are very similar....and in some cases (TDs, AVG PR yards) Crayton is ahead.

Don't throw statistics around unless you can interpret them in context. This ain't fantasy football.

 

[BigDFan5]

Just to throw this out there, saying Randal El gets less passes thrown his way is technically true but last season he was targeted 77 times, Crayton was targeted 81 times

 

[Bizwah]

ONE year more experience.

Actually, it's two years. And, considering Crayton spent most of his career as the THIRD WR, I think he gets a bit of a break.

Yes, don't go by what people do in the most important game of the season. That would be plain stupid. Sorry, what you do in the playoff is far more important that your final week is far more important than what you did to pile on in a blowout of the Rams.

The WHOLE team stunk that day genius. Should we throw out the regular season? If that's the case, then I guess ARE is better than TO as well.

You also neglect to take into consideration that we played a team that was a heckuva lot better than the Seahawks.

Or do you not watch football? Yes, I address this intelligent retort later.

ARE had similar numbers during the regular season and played very well in the playoffs. Hmmmm.

Same as above....No one played well in our playoff game...save Ware. Does this make the whole Skin roster better than ours? Maybe it had more to do with the Giants playing us. Maybe if we had played the Seahawks and the Skins had played the Giants ARE would've been the one with 3 catches for 27 yards. I recall two years ago, that it was Crayton that scored our only offensive TD vs the Seahawks.

It took Peyton Manning three or four years of playing before he WON a playoff game. He played very poorly in a number of his games. So it takes time.

Dude, do you even watch football? That year the Steelers RARELY threw the ball -- Rothesberger averaged 21 attempts per game. Randal-El managed 43 catches that year despite playing behind Ward AND Burress.

Oh....so game, set, match. The old, "DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL" arguement. Got me on that one.

Do you even read your own posts?

Earlier you mentioned that it was a terrible arguement to mention who Crayton played behind. I tried to argue that his opps would be minimized because he played behind Key, Glenn, TO, and Witten most of the time.

But I guess that arguement only works when it helps you.

The point is, he played with a good QB. They had a good running game, which in theory, should open up the passing lanes more.

Also, Randal-El has played 6 years. Crayton four.

Yet, above you said that there was ONE year difference....I guess I don't know how to subtract.

Randal-El has been on teams that just don't throw much and/or have crap QBs.

Since Crayton has been here his QBs have been Testeverede, Bledsoe, and Romo. With Testeverde we were hardly a great passing team. We were a ball control offense. Bledsoe, as well all can attest to, was hardly a great QB. I put him on the same level as Mark Brunell, the same guy that threw to ARE the last year and a half. Bledsoe's problem was forcing the ball to Terry Glenn all the time.

Crayton has played with one of the league's top performers the past two years.

There's that fuzzy math again.

That Randal-El could even approach his numbers says a ton for his skill

Yeah....ok....I guess if we had ARE, he'd approach Terry Glenn type numbers.

Don't throw statistics around unless you can interpret them in context. This ain't fantasy football.

Ok...you're the mighty stat guy.

The Commanders have the best talent in all of football.

Crayton is nowhere near the talent ARE is. I'm so glad you healed my blindness. Maybe you ought to take your own advice.

 

[AbeBeta]

The WHOLE team stunk that day genius. Should we throw out the regular season? If that's the case, then I guess ARE is better than TO as well.

So the Commanders didn't stink? They lost as well. Yet not because of ARE.

You also neglect to take into consideration that we played a team that was a heckuva lot better than the Seahawks.

And you neglect to consider that we played at home and the Skins played on the road

Or do you not watch football? Yes, I address this intelligent retort later.


Same as above....No one played well in our playoff game...save Ware. Does this make the whole Skin roster better than ours? Maybe it had more to do with the Giants playing us. Maybe if we had played the Seahawks and the Skins had played the Giants ARE would've been the one with 3 catches for 27 yards. I recall two years ago, that it was Crayton that scored our only offensive TD vs the Seahawks.

Yes, another brilliant 3 catch performance.

Fact is that Randal-El has made 35 playoff catches for 409 yards with 2 TDs.

Crayton is 6-69 with one TD.

It took Peyton Manning three or four years of playing before he WON a playoff game. He played very poorly in a number of his games. So it takes time.

Really, in Randal-El's first year he played in two games in the playoffs. 9 catches, 138 yards. Didn't seem to take him that much time.

Oh....so game, set, match. The old, "DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL" arguement. Got me on that one.

Do you even read your own posts?

Earlier you mentioned that it was a terrible arguement to mention who Crayton played behind. I tried to argue that his opps would be minimized because he played behind Key, Glenn, TO, and Witten most of the time.

But I guess that arguement only works when it helps you.

The point is, he played with a good QB. They had a good running game, which in theory, should open up the passing lanes more.

No, he played with a QB for whom the team purposefully limited opportunities. The two seasons he played with a good QB, the Steelers averaged 23 passes a game.

The last two years in Dallas we threw 32.4 times a game.

Can you understand how if your team throws the ball that much less that you aren't going to have as many opportunities to catch the ball?

Crayton is nowhere near the talent ARE is. I'm so glad you healed my blindness. Maybe you ought to take your own advice.

I'm glad to see the education I put on you in this thread paid off. Stop being such a homer and actually watch some football.

 

[AbeBeta]

Just to throw this out there, saying Randal El gets less passes thrown his way is technically true but last season he was targeted 77 times, Crayton was targeted 81 times

Of course, he is being "targeted" by a guy who is far less accurate.

 

[silverbear]

At the end of his camp report he delivers this "parting shot":

Quote:
"Washington's skill players are the best in the division."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/25/Commanders.postcard/1.html

LOL... that's perhaps the most asinine thing I've read from a sports journalist this year...

The Skins have the worst QB in the NFC East... I'm not just dissin' Jason, but he's behind Romo, Eli and McFlabb, and there really isn't any argument to be made otherwise...

The Skins have an AWFUL receiver corps, one that didn't catch a single TD pass in the first half of last season... Patrick Crayton by himself caught as many TD passes as the entire Skins' receivers corps did, and he's just our second best wideout... TO more than doubled the 7 TDs that Skins' WRs caught last year...

Their receivers might be better if Malcolm Kelly and/or Devin Thomas step up big time this season, but generally speaking, rookie WRs don't have a major impact...

Chris Cooley is the second best TE in the East, behind Jason Witten...

The Skins might have the best RB corps in the East, but if Felix Jones and Tashard Choice step up and produce, that might not be the case at season's end... I'm looking for Maurice Jones-Drew numbers from Felix Jones, which I think he's capable of producing, and if that happens, the equation will swing in favor of the Boys...

Unlike rookie WRs, rookie RBs often do contribute in their rookie season (the good ones, anyway)...

So, looking at their skill position players, they have the worst QBs in the East, the worst WR corps, the second best TEs and the best RBs...

Meanwhile, the Boys have the best QB in the East, the best WR corps, the best TEs, and either the 2nd or 3rd best RBs... but it's the Skins who have the best talent at the skill positions in the East??

Goodell should order Burger King in for drug testing, IMMEDIATELY...

 

[silverbear]

The Skins have a lot of young talent on offense, more so than any team in the division.

No, they don't...

For the purposes of this argument, I'm defining "young talent on offense" as players who have a chance of contributing this season, and will be 26 or younger on opening day...

For the Cowboys, that list includes:

2nd team TE Martellus Bennett, a rookie, age 21
2nd team RB Felix Jones, a rookie, age 21
3rd WR prospect Sam Hurd, age 23
Likely 3rd RB Tashard Choice, a rookie, age 23
3rd WR prospect Isaiah Stanback, age 24
3rd TE prospect Rodney Hannah, age 24
3rd WR prospect Miles Austin, age 24
Pro Bowl RB Marion Barber, age 25
3rd TE prospect Tony Curtis, age 25
Starting FB Deon Anderson, age 25
Pro Bowl TE Jason Witten, age 26...

That's 11 young offensive players, including 2 Pro Bowlers, 3 starters total, and at least 8 of whom will contribute significantly this season (barring a rash of injuries)... now, the Skins:

2nd or 3rd WR prospect Devin Thomas, a rookie, age 21
3rd or 4th WR prospect Malcolm Kelly, a rookie, age 21
2nd TE Fred Davis, a rookie, age 22
3rd RB prospect Nehemiah Broughton, age 26
Pro Bowl TE Chris Cooley, age 26
Starting QB Jason Campbell, age 26

That's 6 young offensive players, including 1 Pro Bowler, 2 total starters, perhaps 3 if either Thomas or Kelly claims a starting job, and at most 5 of whom will contribute significantly this season...

Logical conclusion-- the Cowboys have significantly more young talent on offense than the Skins do...

They are also the deepest at the skill positions in the division.

That's only true at RB...

They don't the best QB or the best WR, the rest is debatable.

Indeed, they have the worst QB in the division, and until and unless either Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas steps up, they have the worst WRs... their TEs are second best, behind the Cowboys'... their RBs are indeed the best right now, pending a read on how much Felix Jones will contribute for the Boys...

There are 4 offensive skill positions, and the Skins are clearly the worst in the division in two of them... given that, there's no way POSSIBLE that they could have the best collection of skill players in the East...

[*]Portis and Betts are the best RB combo in the East, without a doubt.

That's true now, but if Felix Jones puts up the kind of numbers I expect he will, it won't be true at the end of the season...

[*]Cooley and Davis are the best 1-2 TE combo in the division, perhaps the league by the end of the year.

Nope, Witten is better than Cooley-- a bit better receiver, a MUCH better blocker-- and Martellus Bennett was a higher rated TE in this last draft than Fred Davis was... then we have Tony Curtis, all he does is catch touchdowns (3 receptions last year, 3 TDs)... he's actually been the team's blocking TE mostly, in goal line and short yardage situations...

[*]Moss, Randle El, Thomas, and Kelly - no team in the East has as much talent at WR.[/quote[

ROTFLMAO... can I have a hit of whatever you're smoking?? You're gettin' awfully giddy about two unproven second round draft picks... the Skins' WRs were the WORST in the NFC East last season, by a fairly significant margin, and generally speaking, rookie WRs (except for WRs drafted fairly early in the first round) do not contribute much in their rookie seasons...

Lemme guess, you're a regular poster at Extremeskins, aren't you??

 

[silverbear]

how are the Giants WR rated higher than ours?

Actually, if you look at the numbers from last year, the best WR corps in the NFC East belong to the Philadelphia Iggles...

Philly's WRs-- 190 receptions, 2564 yards, 16 TDs... 13.5 yards per catch

Cowboys' WRs-- 155 receptions, 2442 yards, 23 TDs... 15.8 yards per catch...

Giants' WRs-- 163 receptions, 2113 yards, 15 TDs... 13.6 yards per catch...

Skins' WRs-- 159 receptions, 2154 yards, 7 TDs... 13.6 yards per catch...

Though the Boys have the lowest receiving totals by their WR corps, it's important to remember that Jason Witten caught a ton of balls, thus taking away opportunities from the wideouts... they also had the most TD catches, and the best yards per reception average...

But the Iggles' wideouts had the second most TDs, and the most receptions, by a significant margin... I was surprised when I did the research, and learned this...

 

[The Great Number 8]

What you folks don't realize is that Skill is a saw. So what he was really saying is the Commanders have the best carpenters in the NFC East.

Well since our "carpenter" seems to be running with the third team, it's hard to argue with him on that point.

 

[Hostile]

Well since our "carpenter" seems to be running with the third team, it's hard to argue with him on that point.

Well played.

 

[FCBarca]

At the end of his camp report he delivers this "parting shot":

Quote:
"Washington's skill players are the best in the division."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/25/Commanders.postcard/1.html

Wonder what King's spin is now?