Skins' stellar off-season continues...

[The30YardSlant]

:skins: :suxskins:

 

[zagnut]

Their OL is plenty good. As good as ours. Their C position is stronger, though ours might be deeper. Dockery is their weak link. Petitti is ours. Starting a rookie RT drafted in the 6th is not a stength or a positive. I hope for the best with Petitti, but he isn't even in the same world as Jon Jansen right now. RP needs to do a lot more before he's not the weak link on offense. Not trying to be mean. That's just reality.

They have bigger problems than OL. Putting aside their QBs, it's their WRs, pass rush, MLB, 5 and 6 DB sets, and their total lack of depth at every position that are major problems for them. No team can completely avoid the injury bug over the season. The do not have depth anywhere and a minor injury can become a significant problem for them.

On Arrington, he always looks good. Ultimately, his problem is he gives up as many (if not more) yards through personal fouls, general penalties and missed assignments than he takes through sacks and TFLs. Go figure the one year he does not play they end up 2nd in the NFL in team defense. Fewer personal fouls. Fewer 1st and 5 situations. Fewer automatic 1st downs.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Patrick Ramsey is actually worse now than he was 3 years ago. Its pathetic, worse than Boller.

...Ramsey could be a good QB if the coach and the system would support the guy. He's got a lively arm, but he needs protection.

With a decent o-line I wouldn't be surprised if the kid puts up some good numbers.

IN my mind he reminds me of a junior Bledsoe.

 

[The30YardSlant]

...Ramsey could be a good QB if the coach and the system would support the guy. He's got a lively arm, but he needs protection.

With a decent o-line I wouldn't be surprised if the kid puts up some good numbers.

IN my mind he reminds me of a junior Bledsoe.

By Bledsoe's 3rd year, he was an elite NFL QB

 

[playit12]

Their OL is plenty good. As good as ours. Their C position is stronger, though ours might be deeper. Dockery is their weak link. Petitti is ours. Starting a rookie RT drafted in the 6th is not a stength or a positive. I hope for the best with Petitti, but he isn't even in the same world as Jon Jansen right now. RP needs to do a lot more before he's not the weak link on offense. Not trying to be mean. That's just reality.

I agree with much of what you said below, but I'm not sure I can get behind this. First Jansen is coming off a major injury and there is no way to know what he will be able to do this year. Thomas reminds me of LA now (not in his prime). He's a beast when blocking the guy right in front of him but a liability in space and there is a reason they are always running the Counter trey's toward his side. Rabach is an upgrade, but this is a guy that only got the starting nod with Baltimore due to injury, and they certainly didn't make any effort to keep him. He's better then Raymer, but lets not put him at the top of the ranks just yet. Teams keep good centers. They are cheap to keep and valuable to the consistancy of the line. Dockery still plays like a rookie. He makes dumb mistakes but shows great promise at times. Finally Samuels is good, but he hasn't done anything to warant the salary they just gave him. He's more consistent then Flo, but can't dominate like Adams.

The biggest problem to the line right now I believe is coaching though. Yes there is no doubting the wonder that is Bugel in these parts, but honestly I think the idea to run both Zone blocking and man blocking is a really bad idea. I don't think this line is smart enough to do both. Further it isn't built for zone blocking. It's big and relatively slow. They aren't really built for pulling either, which we all know Gibbs loves. Finally they get absolutely no help picking up the blitz from their RBs, their H-Backs are not good run blockers, and their TE's are no threat to catch the ball. The problems with the H-Backs and Tight Ends, make them one dimmensional depending on personel package.

They have bigger problems than OL. Putting aside their QBs, it's their WRs, pass rush, MLB, 5 and 6 DB sets, and their total lack of depth at every position that are major problems for them. No team can completely avoid the injury bug over the season. The do not have depth anywhere and a minor injury can become a significant problem for them.

Well I can't disagree with much of this. Gibbs ditched every big bodied WR he has, and his remaining guys are going to get smashed at the line all year. I think they are really going to strugle on third down, where they won't really be able to run any timing passes. Don't be surprised if they are throwing more passes to Thrash than Moss this year.

MLB is a real weakness for them. Marshall is getting manhandled out there. He's not a fit for the posistion and they'd be much better off moving him back to the Will and put Washington at the Mike. If Lavar gets healthy he's a good fit at Sam. You lose something by taking their best playmaker (Washington) and moving him back to Mike, but he is reliable and should help strengthen the run D. The next LB after those three is a huge drop off, and that is assuming Lavar can play.

I'm not as worried about their DBs.

On Arrington, he always looks good. Ultimately, his problem is he gives up as many (if not more) yards through personal fouls, general penalties and missed assignments than he takes through sacks and TFLs. Go figure the one year he does not play they end up 2nd in the NFL in team defense. Fewer personal fouls. Fewer 1st and 5 situations. Fewer automatic 1st downs.

Arrington reminds me a little of LT without the skill or fire. He rushes when he wants, and plays by instincts. This is why he and Marvin Lewis clashed, and why he will never be a big contributor in a Greg Williams D. However he is a big body and a good tackler. If they can teach him to play a position he'll be a big upgrade to the next down the list. They have enough pieces around him that they don't need him to be a playmaker. Just to hold down a spot on the field.

They still won't have any pressure from the front 4 this year. I think you'll see teams open up the book more on them this year and test out the Corner backs. Rogers, especially, will get tested. A lot of players on this D freelance, and even though teams ran against them something like 60% of the plays last year... when they do need to start putting points up, I think they will start to throw.

 

[playit12]

...Ramsey could be a good QB if the coach and the system would support the guy. He's got a lively arm, but he needs protection.

With a decent o-line I wouldn't be surprised if the kid puts up some good numbers.

IN my mind he reminds me of a junior Bledsoe.

I think I'll blame the system some too... Ramsey should be playing in a system like Jake Delhome or even Troy Aikman. He's got a nice arm and can hit guys in medium routes. He can throw short routes too, but he is so slow on his drop that he usually doesn't get the timing right. Last year he looked horrible at the down field pass, but I think he could improve with better protection and better coaching.

Coaching 101... if you have a guy that is slow to drop back, doesn't throw timing passes well, and has a strong arm... Put him in a scheme that offers better rush protection. He should be playing in a play action offense that throws mostly medium to deep passes. Last year the Skins didn't use the play action, hardly ever threw it medium distance, and only threw deep when they were in trouble.

 

[MapleLeaf]

By Bledsoe's 3rd year, he was an elite NFL QB

...is one tough SOB. He has a right to be skittish in his career now as he had to play under the QB "UnderTaker" named Spurrier. There were times two years ago when Spurrier left no one behind to protect with four and five receivers sets.

This kid deserves a second chance to give this league another go. He has good football toughness and he's definitely no match for Gibbs's style of football.

I would take him and let go of both Romo and Henson right now! That to me would be an upgrade. At least with Ramsey he has shown who he is, it just a matter of the coach developing the offence around him.

 

[Galian Beast]

as much as I love laughing at the Commanders, I wouldn't count them out at this point.

They have a really good defense. Their offense sucks, but I don't think that is something to count on really.

With Jansen back, I expect their Oline to be better, portis should be better this year too.

They aren't going to win many games this year, but they're not all bad.

I think we'll shut down Cooley and Moss. And they'll be forced to run, and I don't think they'll have much success running against us.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I think I'll blame the system some too... Ramsey should be playing in a system like Jake Delhome or even Troy Aikman. He's got a nice arm and can hit guys in medium routes. He can throw short routes too, but he is so slow on his drop that he usually doesn't get the timing right. Last year he looked horrible at the down field pass, but I think he could improve with better protection and better coaching.

Coaching 101... if you have a guy that is slow to drop back, doesn't throw timing passes well, and has a strong arm... Put him in a scheme that offers better rush protection. He should be playing in a play action offense that throws mostly medium to deep passes. Last year the Skins didn't use the play action, hardly ever threw it medium distance, and only threw deep when they were in trouble.

...run their offence similar to last year I think Ramsey should quit. On third and long Ramsey and Brunell knew they were going to take one in chest for the team. That offence was ridiculous and much too predictable. I'm surprised more players didn't jump of the Gibb's band wagon.

That coach will kill that team's history before he is done.

BTW, as a call out comment to all the posters, have you noticed what is the common thread among all the failures the skins have had lately in coaching? Their HC coaches were noted for not working very hard at their craft. Gibbs is not even applying himself half as much as his first turn at the Commander top job.

He and Spurrier will end up fleecing Snyder.

 

[TheOneROWilliE]

I hate the SKins :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins:

 

[Mamba]

I hate the SKins :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins:

You're simply Brilliant.....

 

[playit12]

...run their offence similar to last year I think Ramsey should quit. On third and long Ramsey and Brunell knew they were going to take one in chest for the team. That offence was ridiculous and much too predictable. I'm surprised more players didn't jump of the Gibb's band wagon.

That coach will kill that team's history before he is done.

BTW, as a call out comment to all the posters, have you noticed what is the common thread among all the failures the skins have had lately in coaching? Their HC coaches were noted for not working very hard at their craft. Gibbs is not even applying himself half as much as his first turn at the Commander top job.

He and Spurrier will end up fleecing Snyder.

I heard Gibbs is one of those work from 5AM till 2AM kind of coaches... but who knows what he is doing now. He certainly seems to care (ala Dick Vermeil) but considering how addled he has looked thus far I think perhaps more consideration should be given to the coordinators that he played with before.

I heard from someone that would know, that Gibbs had his hands all over the offense last year. Apparently he overuled the OC in nearly all decisions. I don't think he's lazy... I just think he's making some really bad decisions. Even in the preseason this year we are seeing some of the same troubling trends for them... bad clock managment and a lack of game time adjustments.

I do think he has an eye for talent... maybe the best thing he can do is help bring in some good players, change the attitude of the team, and then let a real coach come in and do the X and Os.

 

[TheOneROWilliE]

You're simply Brilliant.....

:beer2:

 

[MapleLeaf]

I heard Gibbs is one of those work from 5AM till 2AM kind of coaches... but who knows what he is doing now. He certainly seems to care (ala Dick Vermeil) but considering how addled he has looked thus far I think perhaps more consideration should be given to the coordinators that he played with before.

I heard from someone that would know, that Gibbs had his hands all over the offense last year. Apparently he overuled the OC in nearly all decisions. I don't think he's lazy... I just think he's making some really bad decisions. Even in the preseason this year we are seeing some of the same troubling trends for them... bad clock managment and a lack of game time adjustments.

I do think he has an eye for talent... maybe the best thing he can do is help bring in some good players, change the attitude of the team, and then let a real coach come in and do the X and Os.

...with the Skins he made a unintended joke when he said he knew nothing about current events. He spent all his time at the office.

This time around it's not so. The product on the field and his overall concentration shows this lack of commitment. What BP has said here in Dallas the past three years is true. To be a winner in this league you have to sacrifice everything else. Look at Vermeil, Mumbles, Chucky, Parcells, Cowher and Johnson and his crew when he was here in Dallas.

Until the Skins get a real workaholic, they may continue to have difficulty on thie field.

 

[Mamba]

...with the Skins he made a unintended joke when he said he knew nothing about current events. He spent all his time at the office.

This time around it's not so. The product on the field and his overall concentration shows this lack of commitment. What BP has said here in Dallas the past three years is true. To be a winner in this league you have to sacrifice everything else. Look at Vermeil, Mumbles, Chucky, Parcells, Cowher and Johnson and his crew when he was here in Dallas.

Until the Skins get a real workaholic, they may continue to have difficulty on thie field.

*** ? I don't drink you alcoholic....i'm a good guy i'm not this type of person ~~~> :chainsaw:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Ramsey look awful in the first 3 games, even skins fans were calling for his head

Brunnell by game three? :laugh2:

 

[The30YardSlant]

Brunnell by game three? :laugh2:

Those fans flip flop more than John Kerry on Sunday morning at IHOP

 

[TheOneROWilliE]

Brunnell by game three? :laugh2:

Well in that case :beer1: :drunk:

 

[Mamba]

HH, that was kind of weak of a joke...but hey props for trying lol

 

[TheOneROWilliE]

*** ? I don't drink you alcoholic....i'm a good guy i'm not this type of person ~~~> :chainsaw:

WEll in that case.......:beer1::moon: