Skip Bayless: Jerry Jones has convinced Andy Dalton he'll start over Dak Prescott

[Diehardblues]

If he had the opportunity to start elsewhere and make dramatically more mo ey, why would he sign in Dallas for dramatically less.

Because he’s coming home. And the deal has incentives for up to 7 million. Dalton has already made his money. Just basically finished up a 6 year 96 million contract. He’s insurance and hopefully leverage. That’s it. A smart move.

The rest is trolling Dak and Cowboy fans.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If you actually take the time to watch the video the man has a point. It IS odd he'd sign here for 3 million.

It's happening, bros.

Awww. You're nuts!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If Dak holds out, he's going to make all of his haters eat lots of crow when Andy Dalton gets exposed for the chump he is today and the losses start piling on.

What are you saying???
You are tearing me apart!!!!

 

[OmerV]

Because he’s coming home. And the deal has incentives for up to 7 million. Dalton has already made his money. Just basically finished up a 6 year 96 million contract. He’s insurance and hopefully leverage. That’s it. A smart move.

The rest is trolling Dak and Cowboy fans.

You're saying he's insurance and leverage, and Risen is saying Jerry told him he would start, and that's why he came. My comment was made toward Risen, who indicated Jerry must have told Dalton he would start, otherwise why would have come for only $3 million. I don't think that's logical because if he had a chance to start somewhere else for much more money he would have taken that. Plus, it may well be he took $3 million because he had limited options and wanted to stay in the game and get a better opportunity next year. After all, he was cut after most free agent QBs were snatched up, and after the draft, so that limited how many openings there were. On top of that, his contract is only for one year, so how much could Jerry have promised anyway?

I agree with you that he's insurance and leverage, but despite the fact he has made a lot of money, I doubt very much he would leave a ton of money on the table to come to Dallas when he could get significantly more elsewhere, and especially if he could have also got multiple years. Coming home is an incentive, I agree with that, but it's a deciding factor when other variables are at least close to equal. Players don't take a fraction of the money to come home, or to be "insurance and leverage" if they have a chance to start.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Winston signed in New Orleans because he knows Brees is out after this year. So he gets a year to learn from Payton and fuzzface before hopefully re-signing there as the entrenched starter.

That's not this situation.

Somebody has to tell me why Dalton would turn down millions of dollars to back up a bum. He can do his one year in limbo anywhere. Why here for peanuts? He's literally making kicker money this year.

Jerry promised him, probably on the souls of his grandchildren, that Dak Prescott will never take another snap in their uniform. That they've moved on from what they now admit was a huge mistake.

The evidence points me to this conclusion.

Dalton is gambling he can beat out this bum, either because he holds out of training camp or he just outperforms him in camp or the Cowboys get off to a slow start and he gets an oppourunity during the season. So he took 3m and bet on himself for one season and if it pays off for him he will probably finish his career in Dallas as the starter. And anybody who thinks he wasn't given some kind of assurance from JJ that he will be given a chance (even if JJ was just BS'ing him just to sing him) is fooling themselves.
My personel bet is during training camp when the recievers (who know Dalton was a starter for 8 years and took his team to the playoffs 4 times and was a 3 time pro-bowler) is hitting them in the hands and in stride on crossing routes with his passes while Dak's are at their knees or over their head or behind then or stretched out in front of them, there will be a subtle shift towards Dalton and even if Dak keeps the job going into the season any kind of slow start will just build more and more pressure on Dak, the coaches and JJ to give Dalton a chance...and at some point they will

 

[OmerV]

Dalton is gambling he can beat out this bum, either because he holds out of training camp or he just outperforms him in camp or the Cowboys get off to a slow start and he gets an oppourunity during the season. So he took 3m and bet on himself for one season and if it pays off for him he will probably finish his career in Dallas as the starter. And anybody who thinks he wasn't given some kind of assurance from JJ that he will be given a chance (even if JJ was just BS'ing him just to sing him) is fooling themselves.
My personel bet is during training camp when the recievers (who know Dalton was a starter for 8 years and took his team to the playoffs 4 times and was a 3 time pro-bowler) is hitting them in the hands on crossing routes with his passes while Dak's are at their knees or over their head or behind then or stretched out in front of them, there will be a suble shift towards Dalton and even if Dak keeps the job going into the season any kind of slow start will just build more and more pressure on Dak, the coaches and JJ to give Dalton a chance...and at some point they will

Again, why the need for the ridiculous exaggerations? A team doesn't average 10 wins a season with a "bum" at QB, and a "bum" would not be capable of the kind of statistical season Dak had last year. It seems too many don't realize that they can express a sentiment (such as that Dak isn't the right guy) without making ridiculously extreme claims. Truth and reality are almost never found in the extremist view.

As for Dalton, why would anyone assume he had attractive offers and simply took a lesser offer in order to bet on himself? By the time Dalton was released the draft had occurred and the decent free agent QB's had been snatched up, so most teams had their QB plan committed to. Sure, Dalton is a good option, but teams can't commit to every player they would like. They have to pick a plan and go with it. Accordingly it's very easily possible Dalton found his options limited at such a late point in the offseason, and Dallas offered him a chance to stay in the game, possibly play if they never get Dak signed, and then look for better opportunities next season.

As for Dalton being brought in to compete with Dak after he gets signed, or to take over if Dak has a slow start, it's ridiculous to think the Cowboys would pay Dak $30-35 million/year, $100+ million guaranteed, to have him in camp to compete for the job, or with the idea that they intend to pull him if he has a slow start. And Dalton knows this too. That's why he is on a 1 year deal. Unless Dak doesn't get signed or gets hurt, Dalton will be looking for other opportunities next season.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Again, why the need for the ridiculous exaggerations? A team doesn't average 10 wins a season with a "bum" at QB, and a "bum" would not be capable of the kind of statistical season Dak had last year. It seems too many don't realize that they can express a sentiment (such as that Dak isn't the right guy) without making ridiculously extreme claims. Truth and reality are almost never found in the extremist view.

As for Dalton, why would anyone assume he had attractive offers and simply took a lesser offer in order to bet on himself? By the time Dalton was released the draft had occurred and the decent free agent QB's had been snatched up, so most teams had their QB plan committed to. Sure, Dalton is a good option, but teams can't commit to every player they would like. They have to pick a plan and go with it. Accordingly it's very easily possible Dalton found his options limited at such a late point in the offseason, and Dallas offered him a chance to stay in the game, possibly play if they never get Dak signed, and then look for better opportunities next season.

As for Dalton being brought in to compete with Dak after he gets signed, or to take over if Dak has a slow start, it's ridiculous to think the Cowboys would pay Dak $30-35 million/year, $100+ million guaranteed, to have him in camp to compete for the job, or with the idea that they intend to pull him if he has a slow start. And Dalton knows this too. That's why he is on a 1 year deal. Unless Dak doesn't get signed or gets hurt, Dalton will be looking for other opportunities next season.

That 10 average is holding because of one 13-3 season as a rookie on a loaded team that carried his A** his trajectory since then is nothing special 9, 10, 8 win seasons, so we can just as easily say that with a loaded team he has averaged just 9 wins a season over the past 3 years and with Dak as QB we maybe have another 8 win season this year my bet is 7-9 either way it would then bring his average over the last 4 years to like 8.5...lets pay 35m+ per season to a guy who can't average 9 win a season with the talent this team has had over his tenure. By the way, Cowboys haven't signed Dak yet, ever seen an "Elite Franchise QB" not signed? JJ hasn't hasn't won a SB in 25 years, hell he hasn't even been to a championship game in 25 years, if Dak was really the "Guy" they would have signed him to a 4 year deal already just so they could get their SB, they haven't signed or given Dak what HE wants yet or anything close because they aren't sure he is "the guy"

 

[Diehardblues]

You're saying he's insurance and leverage, and Risen is saying Jerry told him he would start, and that's why he came. My comment was made toward Risen, who indicated Jerry must have told Dalton he would start, otherwise why would have come for only $3 million. I don't think that's logical because if he had a chance to start somewhere else for much more money he would have taken that. Plus, it may well be he took $3 million because he had limited options and wanted to stay in the game and get a better opportunity next year. After all, he was cut after most free agent QBs were snatched up, and after the draft, so that limited how many openings there were. On top of that, his contract is only for one year, so how much could Jerry have promised anyway?

I agree with you that he's insurance and leverage, but despite the fact he has made a lot of money, I doubt very much he would leave a ton of money on the table to come to Dallas when he could get significantly more elsewhere, and especially if he could have also got multiple years. Coming home is an incentive, I agree with that, but it's a deciding factor when other variables are at least close to equal. Players don't take a fraction of the money to come home, or to be "insurance and leverage" if they have a chance to start.

Is there any evidence he could have received more elsewhere and guaranteed to start?

 

[OmerV]

That 10 average is holding because of one 13-3 season as a rookie on a loaded team that carried his A** his trajectory since then is nothing special 9, 10, 8 win seasons, so we can just as easily say that with a loaded team he has averaged just 9 wins a season over the past 3 years and with Dak as QB we maybe have another 8 win season this year my bet is 7-9 either way it would then bring his average over the last 4 years to like 8.5...lets pay 35m+ per season to a guy who can't average 9 win a season with the talent this team has had over his tenure. By the way, Cowboys haven't signed Dak yet, ever seen an "Elite Franchise QB" not signed? JJ hasn't hasn't won a SB in 25 years, hell he hasn't even been to a championship game in 25 years, if Dak was really the "Guy" they would have signed him to a 4 year deal already just so they could get their SB, they haven't signed or given Dak what HE wants yet or anything close because they aren't sure he is "the guy"

That's how averages work you know. lol Thanks for the math lesson, but a person could just as easily say the average isn't higher because of the 8-8 season. I was looking at his overall career, and you just want to factory in the worst seasons and ignore the best.

As for your comment about "an elite franchise QB", that further cements your status as a poster that has no ability to discuss rationally and only seems to be able to formulate an argument based on extremes. When you realize that there is a hell of a lot of room in between "bum" and "elite", let me know, and then a rational discussion might become possible.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

That's how averages work you know. lol Thanks for the math lesson, but a person could just as easily say the average isn't higher because of the 8-8 season. I was looking at his overall career, and you just want to factory in the worst seasons and ignore the best.

As for your comment about "an elite franchise QB", that further cements your status as a poster that has no ability to discuss rationally and only seems to be able to formulate an argument based on extremes. When you realize that there is a hell of a lot of room in between "bum" and "elite", let me know, and then a rational discussion might become possible.

Ok so i will be clearer for you Dak's last 3 year average is 9 wins a season his 4 year average is 10. I always discuss rationallly, problem is i never get answers to my question, what i get is alot of garbage about what kind of poster i am, which is what you are doing. So i'll ask again if Dak is the "elite franchise QB" you think he is, then why would the Cowboys who haven't won a SB in 25 years or even been the an NFC championship game be arguing about "an extra year on a deal? or a couple of million more, The gap would have been closed along time ago and he would have been signed if he was an Elite Franchie QB". JJ went out and got a backup plan to replace Dak. If Dak doesn't lower his demands and the guy he went and got can more than do the exact same job for this team that Dak has done, except Dalton will hit the recievers in stride and in the hands on crossing patterns and he only cost 3m per season. Cowboys should resind Dak's tag and use that money to go out and sign Clowney or Adams

 

[erod]

I do agree with Skip that it makes no sense for Dalton to sign here unless something is up.

 

[erod]

IT's not odd. He's passed 30, and never been all that great.

He's averaged 10 wins a year for the ding-dong Bengals.

That's nothing to scoff at.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

He's averaged 10 wins a year for the ding-dong Bengals.

That's nothing to scoff at.

If he can manage 10 wins with the Bengals with our roster he can work wonders!
His time is coming and soon as Dak will implode starting from the 1st game vs the Rams.

 

[OmerV]

Ok so i will be clearer for you Dak's last 3 year average is 9 wins a season his 4 year average is 10. I always discuss rationallly, problem is i never get answers to my question, what i get is alot of garbage about what kind of poster i am, which is what you are doing. So i'll ask again if Dak is the "elite franchise QB" you think he is, then why would the Cowboys who haven't won a SB in 25 years or even been the an NFC championship game be arguing about "an extra year on a deal? or a couple of million more, The gap would have been closed along time ago and he would have been signed if he was an Elite Franchie QB". JJ went out and got a backup plan to replace Dak. If Dak doesn't lower his demands and the guy he went and got can more than do the exact same job for this team that Dak has done, except Dalton will hit the recievers in stride and in the hands on crossing patterns and he only cost 3m per season. Cowboys should resind Dak's tag and use that money to go out and sign Clowney or Adams

Great, let's just factor in the stats that suit your particular narrative, and ignore what doesn't …

And there you go with the "elite" thing again, and again, I will tell you that when you recognize there is a hell of a lot of room between "bum" and "elite" rather than only being able to comprehend extremes, and rather than relying on extremes to fabricate an argument, then maybe we can talk rationally. I never used the word "elite", that's just an extreme position you are attributing to me to prop up an argument that you wouldn't otherwise have.

 

[Sandyf]

Why would anyone give Skip Bayless the time of day or to believe anything he says? Would be better if you fail into a coma and believe God spoke to you, far better chance for it to be of use.

 

[charron]

It would help to know what the other teams offered. Would hate to think Dalton turned down starting QB money so I would guess he was offered small 1 year contracts. I mean if you are going to make 3-7 million starting or not would you have signed in Jacksonville or Dallas? If the money is similar you sign here in hopes that you get playing time in pre-season or regular season if Dak holds out. Not sure many teams or who was actually interested in him starting.

 

[Diehardblues]

I do agree with Skip that it makes no sense for Dalton to sign here unless something is up.

Did Dalton have any other offers?

 

[Diehardblues]

It would help to know what the other teams offered. Would hate to think Dalton turned down starting QB money so I would guess he was offered small 1 year contracts. I mean if you are going to make 3-7 million starting or not would you have signed in Jacksonville or Dallas? If the money is similar you sign here in hopes that you get playing time in pre-season or regular season if Dak holds out. Not sure many teams or who was actually interested in him starting.

Exactly ... plus this is home for him.

If he gets an opportunity to play here with this talented supporting cast on offense he’s going to look better than most places . And then probably get offers next year.

 

[OmerV]

Why would anyone give Skip Bayless the time of day or to believe anything he says? Would be better if you fail into a coma and believe God spoke to you, far better chance for it to be of use.

That's the smart viewpoint. His entire schtick is to exaggerate, sensationalize or even fabricate to get attention, and it amazes me how well this works with a lot of people.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

In response to what Skip Bayless says in the original thread title:

People who've been stuck inside for several weeks and are desperate for sports news will believe anything that's put in their face on television.

Andy Dalton isn't starting a game for the Cowboys unless Dak doesn't sign or is injured. Anybody suggesting otherwise is a Dak hater, a loyal Dalton fan, or simply trying to get attention. The latter is what Bayless is doing.