So It Only Took T.O. 3 Weeks...

[Anjinsan]

To start complaining. I was watching NFL Network and he was in an interview (someone please find it!, thanks) and he was saying there have been several times he has been open but due to offensive line breakdown or something to do with Palmer, he did not get the ball. But he prefaced that with saying he is not griping or making excuses and at the end he said the main thing is they are winning.

You can't preface something saying you are not griping or making excuses and then start doing it.

Roy Williams had as many yards against Houston as TO does all season.

Buck TO. Why are you antagonizing us?

 

[Anjinsan]

"What should be obvious though, but apparently too many people here are too biased, or too dense, or maybe even too stupid to realize, is that a QB's performance GREATLY influences a WR's production"

That would be a big 'duh'. I think everyone knows that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What a pointless thread.

 

[JoeCorrado]

10 catches, 222 yards and a TD in today's game.

Not too shabby for a wr these days.

Owens will be just fine, it seems like maybe he isn't the one who has the problem after all, eh? With production like that, maybe he should play injured every week. It seems to motivate him. Remember the super bowl performance while he was an eagle?

Not saying that he should have stayed in Dallas- his time was done here. Just saying that all the hate coming from here is intriguing to say the least.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Owens had a really nice day today. Really nice. Glad to see him do well. I don't hate him like some.


But I do find it HILARIOUS that when he has bad games, for weeks on end, it's all the QBs fault but when he finally has a good/great game all the sudden the QB played good/great for the first time.

But no one bothers to also note the team his great game came against. The Cleveland Browns. One of the absolute worst teams in the entire league.

It's nice to see TO go off and have a great game but if you're going to put his bad games on Carson then you also have to give ample credit to the fact that his good/great game(s) often, in the last 2-3 years, come against really poor defenses.


If it's all Carson's bad QB play that gets the credit for him having bad games then people can easily give some credit to the fact that his one great game, thus far, this season came against a piss poor defense.

 

[Kevinicus]

Resorting to name calling? Great, you have no point and this proves it.

Am I biased against TO? Hell yes. I do not deny this. Never have.

Supremely gifted athlete who cannot put team above his own selfish needs. I have no respect for that. I appreciate what he did while here. I enjoyed talking to him when we sent kids to his football camps. Ecstatic he is gone. He was trying to divide the locker room and nearly succeeded. Bless Stephen Jones.

He had a a good game today in a losing effort. I won't deny that. He had one of these games here in 2008 and the rest of his season here he was just above useless. He was "unleashed."

Carson Palmer is not the worst QB in the NFL. He is not in the top 10 either. Never said he was. TO dissing him is bull crap. It is that simple. TO's fans dissing him is laughably predictable. They prostrate themselves on the ground and genuflect to his abs.

I won't. He's worthless to any team who wants to go all the way. Cincy will be lucky to make the playoffs. No problem, TO fanboys can always blame the QB.

Now you're making things up too. This is pathetic.

I said you LOOKED like an idiot, because that's what you're coming across as with some of the ridiculous nonsense you've said in this thread. I didn't say you WERE an idiot. There is a difference.

And you still have no evidence of the bolded stuff.

Was he worthless to Philly when they went to the SB? Was he worthless in the SB? Was he worthless to Dallas in '07?

I'm no fan of T.O. I don't care how he performs (outside of when I play him on my fantasy team), but I have no problem pointing out the BS that people spew, and there's been a lot to point out in this thread.

There's been no evidence of TO saying anything about Palmer. Palmer has played very poorly for most of this season and has had only one good game (today). I don't have anything against Palmer, don't generally care. But I'm not blinded by hate so much that I can't see his obvious poor play when it happens and how it affects those around him.

 

[Kevinicus]

That would be a big 'duh'. I think everyone knows that.

You would think so, but apparently it's not so.

 

[Blackspider214]

Look I'm not saying ALL of T.O's lack of production is all on him. My point is he is always throwing everyone under the bus when he does not perform. His act is tiring, and that's why his only option was to play for a ****ty Buffalo team last year and a Cincy team at the last second who would take him this year. No one wants him anymore. You can get his production for next to nothing. I think Shipley has the numbers he does.

This Cincy team is nothing but fail and I have no earthly idea why anyone thought they would do anything. Was it the sexy name of WRs they have? This isn't Madden football. Their offense is a mess.

 

[Blackspider214]

Owens had a really nice day today. Really nice. Glad to see him do well. I don't hate him like some.


But I do find it HILARIOUS that when he has bad games, for weeks on end, it's all the QBs fault but when he finally has a good/great game all the sudden the QB played good/great for the first time.

But no one bothers to also note the team his great game came against. The Cleveland Browns. One of the absolute worst teams in the entire league.

It's nice to see TO go off and have a great game but if you're going to put his bad games on Carson then you also have to give ample credit to the fact that his good/great game(s) often, in the last 2-3 years, come against really poor defenses.


If it's all Carson's bad QB play that gets the credit for him having bad games then people can easily give some credit to the fact that his one great game, thus far, this season came against a piss poor defense.

This reminded me of his last season here in 08. His 2 biggest games came against the 49ers and the Seahawks I believe. ****ty teams. When it came time to play the big boys, he'd give you the 4 catches for 40 yd game. And sometimes just 20yds. It was pathetic to watch.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Owens had a really nice day today. Really nice. Glad to see him do well. I don't hate him like some.


But I do find it HILARIOUS that when he has bad games, for weeks on end, it's all the QBs fault but when he finally has a good/great game all the sudden the QB played good/great for the first time.

I didn't watch this game, but I saw the other Bengals games and Palmer was indeed awful. And I mean 'can't even *come close* to hitting wide open receivers 20 yards down field that are wide open.'

Bengals fans are complaining about it as well, even when they win.

I never felt that TO was the problem, but like one of the people in the organization told Albert Breer, no matter what he did good or bad he was always going to be a distraction because the media couldn't get enough of him.






YR

 

[thechosen1n2]

No, the thread was about TO's mouth, which once again spewed diarrhea about his team. He is a good football player who will never win anything because of his self importance issues. I find it hugely amusing that the main problem was his QB. Not today it wasn't.

Both games he has thrown for over 300 yards they have lost.

There is no blindness and any time you think you know more football than I do please try to impress me. I don't mind a good discussion at all. There just aren't any with TO fanboys. They are too blinded by his abs I guess.

He had a good game but it was still a loss. Nothing to "chirp" about.

You are right Hostile It is nothing to chirp about. TO basically said the same. He didnt seem extremely happy (really not happy at all) about the game yesterday even though he did well. The reason these discussions continue is because "fan boys" as you so eloquently call them act as if he is still a to 5 receiver, and posters like you (i didnt use the term hater since you hate that term) refuse to acknowledge that trent edwards/bills line and carson poor play has something to do with his production. His production was no less meaninfull in his loss yesterday than miles 20 catches 300 yards in the first two games, but those stats were used as to him being better than TO. That is very contradictory. Now I personally would take Miles now, but Im just saying...Its a double standard.

Its documentend Im a TO fan, but I take on your challenge for a reasonable conversation about this, because I dont think anything I said was blinded.

 

[tyke1doe]

Miles Austin - 22 rec 308 yards 1td

Roy Williams - 12 rec 191 yards 2tds

Dez Bryant - 14 rec 158 yards 1td

compared

Terrell Owens - 14 rec 152 yards 0tds

We have 3 wide receivers better than Owens.

That touchdown didn't come via catch. That is an important distinction to make when comparing receivers, less when you're comparing receivers and punt returning responsibilities.

 

[Hostile]

You are right Hostile It is nothing to chirp about. TO basically said the same. He didnt seem extremely happy (really not happy at all) about the game yesterday even though he did well. The reason these discussions continue is because "fan boys" as you so eloquently call them act as if he is still a to 5 receiver, and posters like you (i didnt use the term hater since you hate that term) refuse to acknowledge that trent edwards/bills line and carson poor play has something to do with his production. His production was no less meaninfull in his loss yesterday than miles 20 catches 300 yards in the first two games, but those stats were used as to him being better than TO. That is very contradictory. Now I personally would take Miles now, but Im just saying...Its a double standard.

Its documentend Im a TO fan, but I take on your challenge for a reasonable conversation about this, because I dont think anything I said was blinded.

Sure, but know this ahead of time. You will not convince me in any way that it is all right for him to publicly call out his teammates or coaches. This has always been his problem and as soon as he did it here I wanted him gone. I do not care how bad his teams in San Francisco, Philly, Buffalo, or Cincy are. This tactic is my issue with him.

Also I didn't use Miles' stats, so how am I being contradictory?

I have never heard Miles bash Tony Romo. I have never heard him bash Jason Garrett. I have never heard him theorize that Jason Witten is conspiring with Tony. I have never heard of him having trust issues with anyone. I have never heard of Stephen Jones wanting him out of the locker room.

His success is wonderful, but what I prefer about Miles Austin over TO is he is team first and always has been. TO was for 2 years and then things started to change midway through 2008 and he could not shut up.

Now he is calling out teammates and coaches again. Why should I condone this now when I never have before?

 

[thechosen1n2]

Sure, but know this ahead of time. You will not convince me in any way that it is all right for him to publicly call out his teammates or coaches. This has always been his problem and as soon as he did it here I wanted him gone. I do not care how bad his teams in San Francisco, Philly, Buffalo, or Cincy are. This tactic is my issue with him.

Also I didn't use Miles' stats, so how am I being contradictory?

I have never heard Miles bash Tony Romo. I have never heard him bash Jason Garrett. I have never heard him theorize that Jason Witten is conspiring with Tony. I have never heard of him having trust issues with anyone. I have never heard of Stephen Jones wanting him out of the locker room.

His success is wonderful, but what I prefer about Miles Austin over TO is he is team first and always has been. TO was for 2 years and then things started to change midway through 2008 and he could not shut up.

Now he is calling out teammates and coaches again. Why should I condone this now when I never have before?

My intention was not to say that you specifically said it, but some of your comrades (TO Bashers) did. Youre glad TO is gone, and honestly he would no longer be on the cowboys if I was GM either. My only argument is to people who act as if he can not be an effective ball player. If Romo were playing with TO, Gresham, Chad, and Shipley, they would not be looking as bad as they are right now. If TO played with Romo last year his numbers would not be as bad as they were playing with a man that just got booted out of the league for another scrub. TO is by no means perfect. TO needs to learn to shut up, or at least express himself better. Now I still believe that TOs situation was blown up in Dallas (nothing like Philly, or San Fran) but thats just me, but its amazing the amount of people confuse their dislike for the guy with his inability to still play the sport.

Now From past debates with you, I honestly believe you say some things you you say just to jerk peoples chains. You yourself have said hes a washed up has been. Well washed up is relative, and if you mean he is not a top receiver by saying he is washed up....well cool, but to say he is not as good as ROY, that is obsurd.

 

[Hostile]

My intention was not to say that you specifically said it, but some of your comrades (TO Bashers) did. Youre glad TO is gone, and honestly he would no longer be on the cowboys if I was GM either. My only argument is to people who act as if he can not be an effective ball player. If Romo were playing with TO, Gresham, Chad, and Shipley, they would not be looking as bad as they are right now. If TO played with Romo last year his numbers would not be as bad as they were playing with a man that just got booted out of the league for another scrub. TO is by no means perfect. TO needs to learn to shut up, or at least express himself better. Now I still believe that TOs situation was blown up in Dallas (nothing like Philly, or San Fran) but thats just me, but its amazing the amount of people confuse their dislike for the guy with his inability to still play the sport.

Now From past debates with you, I honestly believe you say some things you you say just to jerk peoples chains. You yourself have said hes a washed up has been. Well washed up is relative, and if you mean he is not a top receiver by saying he is washed up....well cool, but to say he is not as good as ROY, that is obsurd.

I haven't said he's not as good as Roy.

I have said I'd rather have Roy. I know for a fact that Tony Romo is glad he is gone. I know for a fact he likes Roy.

It's entirely about stabbing teammates in the back with me.

He is washed up as far as the days when he is a #1 weapon who can lead a team somewhere. That ended in 2007. He has been a shell of that guy.

I do not believe anyone can be an effective ball player by putting themselves above the team and he does.

He thinks he is the fulcrum of success. No he isn't and hasn't been for a long time.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I haven't said he's not as good as Roy.

I have said I'd rather have Roy. I know for a fact that Tony Romo is glad he is gone. I know for a fact he likes Roy.

It's entirely about stabbing teammates in the back with me.

He is washed up as far as the days when he is a #1 weapon who can lead a team somewhere. That ended in 2007. He has been a shell of that guy.

I do not believe anyone can be an effective ball player by putting themselves above the team and he does.

He thinks he is the fulcrum of success. No he isn't and hasn't been for a long time.

Well then we are on the same page. We agree washed up is relative, and we agree that roy is better for the team and romo(at this stage). The only dispute with you is that Roy has thrown more stones at Romo as a cowboy than TO ever did as a cowboy. The big difference is the TO persona is much more captivating than Roy will ever be so TO gets more press. I get that, thats life. TO can say "the offense is not work efficiently, I need the ball more to spark the offense" and it will go over much worse than Roy saying, "it wasnt my fault, I ran my route." or "Every pass that comes my way seems to be a bad pass." I understand Media outlets focusing on TO. He brings more ratings, but I dont understand you giving Roy a pass cause to me he passes the buck as much as anyone.

 

[Hostile]

Well then we are on the same page. We agree washed up is relative, and we agree that roy is better for the team and romo(at this stage). The only dispute with you is that Roy has thrown more stones at Romo as a cowboy than TO ever did as a cowboy. The big difference is the TO persona is much more captivating than Roy will ever be so TO gets more press. I get that, thats life. TO can say "the offense is not work efficiently, I need the ball more to spark the offense" and it will go over much worse than Roy saying, "it wasnt my fault, I ran my route." or "Every pass that comes my way seems to be a bad pass." I understand Media outlets focusing on TO. He brings more ratings, but I dont understand you giving Roy a pass cause to me he passes the buck as much as anyone.

Roy is more of a team player than TO ever was. It is just that simple.

For every comment Roy has made TO was in the locker room causing issues ten times more. That is why he is not here

 

[Kevinicus]

Now he is calling out teammates and coaches again.

Prove it.

 

[Kevinicus]

I do not believe anyone can be an effective ball player by putting themselves above the team and he does.

It is naive to believe this. It's certainly not ideal, but it certainly can, and has been done.

 

[Hostile]

Prove it.

Nothing I post will be accepted as "proof," so why would I waste my time?