So...What do you think of the groceries BP has been buying

[conner01]

much better than the groceries we was getting. most of them are out of the nfl

 

[dboyz]

To answer your question, I think BP has done pretty decent buying the groceries. It has been less than perfect as BP would say, but overall pretty good. I will say that I think our most recent draft may turn out to be disappointing because we didn't get a playmaker (so far) in round 1 or 2 and frankly I'm not holding my breath. The emergence of Hatcher and Watkins and maybe McQuistan could offset that a little we hope.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I just wish BP would stop buying so much possum. I know he's from WV but man buy some beef or pork for a change.

 

[theogt]

So Zimmer sends them out with instructions to get dominated?

jk....The blame goes both ways. This thread isn't about coaching though. I can't make excuses for players who rarely win their individual matchups, and rarely create pressure.

Look. There are times when it's clear (if you're paying attention to the ends) they are attempting to get pressure and there are times when it is clear they are not trying to get pressure. Some people complain about them not getting pressure in the latter situation. In that situation it's wrong to blame the player. I'm just trying to point that out.

 

[wileedog]

Look. There are times when it's clear (if you're paying attention to the ends) they are attempting to get pressure and there are times when it is clear they are not trying to get pressure. Some people complain about them not getting pressure in the latter situation. That's wrong, and I'm just pointing that out.

The only times I think this might be is the games we played against Vince and Vick, where we were worried more about containment then pressure.

Again, given Bill's weekly rant about the pass rush, I can't believe he or Zimmer are telling those two to go out there and just hold their ground on pass plays.

 

[theogt]

The only times I think this might be is the games we played against Vince and Vick, where we were worried more about containment then pressure.

Again, given Bill's weekly rant about the pass rush, I can't believe he or Zimmer are telling those two to go out there and just hold their ground on pass plays.

No. It's the case just about every week.

 

[wileedog]

No. It's the case just about every week.

So explain to me why Bill is harping on those two and the pass rush if they are just doing what he tells them to do?

 

[Doomsday]

You haven't been watching, then. Ware's INT two weeks ago was because of pressure by Canty.

That was a busted screen play, its not like he actually beat his man. Dont get me wrong it was a nice play but Im talking about them actually winning a physical battle and making a play. They were lucky to get 2 yards up the field vs the Eagles, it was painful to watch.

 

[theogt]

So explain to me why Bill is harping on those two and the pass rush if they are just doing what he tells them to do?

Bill was harping on them during the middle of the season. I don't know if it was about pass-rush, run defense, taking plays off, missing tackles, blowing an assignment, or what.

Other than about that 2 week period I haven't heard him harp about them.

 

[superpunk]

Look. There are times when it's clear (if you're paying attention to the ends) they are attempting to get pressure and there are times when it is clear they are not trying to get pressure. Some people complain about them not getting pressure in the latter situation. In that situation it's wrong to blame the player. I'm just trying to point that out.

That ain't me. If they're playing off like that, there are a few options -

1. They're playing the run first - in our two-gap defense, that is correct. But, they're not quick enough in recognition to get after the QB - and, once they do, they are entirely ineffective.

2. They're playing contain on a mobile QB.

3. They're being instructed to be ineffective. Then, the coach can moan about them during the week, for doing what they're told.

My money's on #1. It's a tough defense for young guys to get comfortable in. They deserve time. But right now, they are pretty dreadful, regardless of explanation.

 

[wileedog]

1. They're playing the run first - in our two-gap defense, that is correct. But, they're not quick enough in recognition to get after the QB - and, once they do, they are entirely ineffective.

Makes a heck of a lot more sense then Bill saying "don't rush the QB" then complaining week after week that we aren't getting pressure.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That ain't me. If they're playing off like that, there are a few options -

1. They're playing the run first - in our two-gap defense, that is correct. But, they're not quick enough in recognition to get after the QB - and, once they do, they are entirely ineffective.

2. They're playing contain on a mobile QB.

3. They're being instructed to be ineffective. Then, the coach can moan about them during the week, for doing what they're told.

My money's on #1. It's a tough defense for young guys to get comfortable in. They deserve time. But right now, they are pretty dreadful, regardless of explanation.

I think it is a combo of all three (with two only being for certain QBs like Vick).

But mostly #1

I think there were players talking about that earlier this year or maybe last year where they are playing the run first and then they can go after the QB.

Now of course I doubt that is the case when they go for an all out jail break, but I am talking about natural pressure not blitzing type situations.

Plus there is little to no creativity in stunting. Now of course we have seen them try it a few times and it completely broke down and looked like the keystone cops but still they have tried it, didn't work so then it seemed as if they abandoned it all together.

 

[theogt]

Makes a heck of a lot more sense then Bill saying "don't rush the QB" then complaining week after week that we aren't getting pressure.

Then why did Canty complain about their job being to just sit put and not rush the QB?

Was he lying?

Is he a cancer trying to get Zimmer fired?

 

[wileedog]

Then why did Canty complain about their job being to just sit put and not rush the QB?

Was he lying?

Is he cancer trying to get Zimmer fired?

What would you say if every week everyone was asking you why you have no sacks, no pressure, and haven't sniffed a QB all year?

"I stink?"

 

[5Stars]

We all remember the infamous BP quote ... “If they're going to ask you to cook the meal, they ought to let you buy the groceries.”

Well Parcells has been buying the groceries here in Dallas since he became the Head Coach in 2003.

Other than the TOmatoes for the salad...it appears that Big Bill has done most, if not all of the grocery shopping.

I think it would be safe to say with the players he has brought in, that the team is at least respectable now...or at least had been prior to the NO and Philly debacles.

Many fans seem to think that the problem with this team is the coaches, the playcalling and the schemes...

Curious what ya'll think of the groceries that BP has bought over the past few years???

Well, before Parcells, we were getting fed potted meat and potato chips...

Now, Parcells has went shopping and brought in some steak, a few baked potatoes, a little cake, and some nice veggies, HOWEVER, I think he lost the receipt on how to cook these fine groceries!

Also, his kitchen helpers, the fry cook, the busboy, the waitress, and the dishwasher don't seem to know what the hell the kitchen is all about!

The cooks are putting A1-Sauce on the veggies, and putting Ranch Dressing on the steak!

Things don't make sense in this here kitchen...

 

[theogt]

What would you say if every week everyone was asking you why you have no sacks, no pressure, and haven't sniffed a QB all year?

"I stink?"

So he was lying.

 

[wileedog]

So he was lying.

No, misinterpreted.

I agree with what Superpunk said - we play a read and react scheme, we always have under Zimmer even before Parcells and the 3-4. I do agree that Zimmer and Parcells are telling them to play the run first.

What I don't agree with and what makes absolutely no sense to me is that the HC who is constantly talking about lack of a pass rush is telling his two DEs to never rush the passer, and just contain their gaps even when the QB takes a 7 step drop.

Its a heck of a lot more logical that these guys are 2nd year players who aren't recognizing plays fast enough, and when they do they don't seem to be able to beat their man and generate pressure very much.

Canty wasn't known for his pass rushing in college, and Spears had the tag of a player who took plays off. I think both will get better, but giving them a pass because supposedly their coach told them not to go after the QB is absurd.

 

[Doomsday]

I would say the fact that Spears, Canty and Ferguson have 2 sacks combined speaks volumes for what I think of his groceries. We all got suckered into believing the last few draft classes were a huge success and this team had a ton of talent on defense. Sorry but Im not seeing it in the trenches where it matters most.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, misinterpreted.

I agree with what Superpunk said - we play a read and react scheme, we always have under Zimmer even before Parcells and the 3-4. I do agree that Zimmer and Parcells are telling them to play the run first.

What I don't agree with and what makes absolutely no sense to me is that the HC who is constantly talking about lack of a pass rush is telling his two DEs to never rush the passer, and just contain their gaps even when the QB takes a 7 step drop.

Its a heck of a lot more logical that these guys are 2nd year players who aren't recognizing plays fast enough, and when they do they don't seem to be able to beat their man and generate pressure very much.

Canty wasn't known for his pass rushing in college, and Spears had the tag of a player who took plays off. I think both will get better, but giving them a pass because supposedly their coach told them not to go after the QB is absurd.

I think it is the bend don't break mentality.

I think Bill has been on record a few times of saying he will take the small play over the big play (by opposing offenses).

I really believe that if he had better play from Canty/spears at the DE spots it would be a different story.

Really Spears has not been the player we thought we were getting when we drafted him with the first round pick. Nor really has Canty been. Remember canty was thought to be a first rounder before his eye injury scared some teams, even then we moved up to draft him before the Pats could get him.

I think Ware and Fergy are good enough on the line at their positions, Greg was looking to be good, minus pass coverage.

But those other two IMO are what is keeping them from being more aggressive.

If they could count on Spears and Canty to stop the run and give fergy the help he needs on the line I think we would see them letting the OLBs go after the QB more often.

One other thing to consider is the ILBs recent inability to cover the FB/RB coming out of the backfield for passes.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I would say the fact that Spears, Canty and Ferguson have 2 sacks combined speaks volumes for what I think of his groceries. We all got suckered into believing the last few draft classes were a huge success and this team had a ton of talent on defense. Sorry but Im not seeing it in the trenches where it matters most.

It's not the sack count of Spears, Fergy and Canty that bother me.

Honestly if they are doing their jobs correctly their sack counts are not as important.

If they are holding up their end of the bargin and taking care of the run and occupying the o-line enough, than the others can flow in and get the sacks.