So When Does Chip Kelly...

[MRV52]

Who would have thought that 2 weeks in a row that the Eagles special teams would let them down. This was one of Philly's strongest trait and they messed it up in the end.

 

[Idgit]

I'd say the same thing about the Eagles I say about the Cowboys. One, it takes more than a good HC to be successful in this league. It also take passing the ball effectively and stopping the other guys from passing effectively. PHI's biggest weaknesses are at QB and CB. And they still fielded a very competitive team this season.

 

[MissouriCowboy]

Chip left college because I think Oregon is getting busted soon.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I am not happy Chip is in the division. He is a new coach who has a specific system. He has generated a lot of wins with very average (to below average) qb play.

One of the best coaches in the league no doubt.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This over the top bashing of Kelly is crazy.

No, he's not the sooper genius being painted, but you tell me if many coaches have a system that could get a team QBed by Sanchez in a position to make the playoffs.

Honestly, those that are bashing him seem a bit insecure.

It's over the top.
Kelly has proven that he CAN coach in nfl. Unlike Saban and a few other college coaches.

 

[irishline]

This over the top bashing of Kelly is crazy.

No, he's not the sooper genius being painted, but you tell me if many coaches have a system that could get a team QBed by Sanchez in a position to make the playoffs.

Honestly, those that are bashing him seem a bit insecure.

The team didn't get in a position to make the playoffs with Sanchez. It was 6-2 when he took over, they are 3-4 with him at the helm. So in no way did Sanchez have anything to do with where they are. If you are going to criticize people for "over the top" bashing, don't be throwing praise where there is none to throw.

Is Kelly a horrible coach, not at all. Is he great, not at all. His offense isn't even that innovative, just fast. He has done what he has done taking over a good Reid offense that just gave up on him. I Don't know if Kelly could take over a team without talent at the skill positions (he inherited with the eagles) and have this success.

 

[Lazyking]

The offense is stoppable, it was and still is in college. You watch Oregon, they can get shut down. I think Kelly is a good offensive coach and his system allows anyone to run it but if I were him, I'd want someone that could run with it too and not just pass. Course in the nfl, that is not likely a long term thing with how fast guys are.

 

[plymkr]

I don't recall Garrett going on a 3 game losing streak either. Just saying. lol

I was one who posted that Garret got out coached on thanksgiving. I'll admit it. Winning makes any coach look like a genius and losing makes a coach look unqualified. I think Chip is a genius and a good coach, but at the same time I think at this level all coaches are geniuses. These are smart guys. Whether they are a genius with x's and o's or geniuses with managing personalities of over 50 grown men with big egos to play as a team. But a great coach is able to work with the personnel he has. Sanchez is not the man with running this no huddle offense. I feel after losing 2 games in a row he should have focused more on his main horses to ride this out. I feel he should have slowed down things and use McCoy and Sproles in a more traditional manner. So imho he's a genius that is learning how to coach in the NFL.

 

[Bullflop]

I fail to see any need to bash Chip Kelly. He's an innovative offensive coach that just happens to be hampered with the play of a poor QB at the moment. Don't get me wrong -- I'm far from being an Eagles fan or anything remotely similar. Candidly, I hate to think how difficult they may be to stop once they get the right talent into place. Insert a good QB in place of Sanchez along with a better defense and they'll likely present problems.

 

[windward]

I'd say the same thing about the Eagles I say about the Cowboys. One, it takes more than a good HC to be successful in this league. It also take passing the ball effectively and stopping the other guys from passing effectively. PHI's biggest weaknesses are at QB and CB. And they still fielded a very competitive team this season.

Good point. Earlier in the year I felt they were overly reliant on defensive and special team scores at a pace that I felt was unsustainable. Mediocre/bad Qbing and pass defense can only go so far. Which was a marked difference from last year when they had exceptional passing down the stretch.

 

[Staubacher]

I'm convinced a lot of the Eagles turnovers are due to the hurry up offense. When you're in a mindset of rushing everything it leads to lack of fundamentals.

Its also bad coaching to consistently single up a bad CB with the top WRs in the league.

He also appears to lack motivational skills since the team was a hot mess in a huge game they were heavily favored in.

Kelly completely wet the bed. As far as just needing a top level QB, I don't think your best NFL caliber QBs want this gimmick offense.

Besides the hurry up gimmick, can someone please give me a specific coaching talent Kelly has?

 

[burmafrd]

the inherent weakness of Chip's system is that it will have a fair amount of turnovers and mistakes; in addition to putting a lot of pressure on your own D.

This offense has been around for a fair amount of time and he is the only one to try it in the NFL. Probably a good reason for that.

 

[AbeBeta]

Lose this genius tag everyone puts on him? There is nothing at all innovative about this offense or him. He's not terrible by any means but I'm sick and tired of everyone drooling over his offense and how tough it is to stop because they go FAST!! Yet in these 2 years, they have yet to take that offense and beat a good team.

We have to constantly see this running clock before they run plays because obviously the audience does not grasp the concept that they run their offense quickly.

The Bills ran a no huddle in the 90s and were 10x more effective. This is nothing new.

It's heightened when the Eagles beat up on a bottom dweller and we have to hear how unstoppable they are. On this board as well.

He kept the team competitive with Mark Sanchez at QB. That's impressive.

I'm happy we contributed to their collapse but I'm glad that we won't be playing them again this year

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think he is a good coach but if Odell Beckham and the Giants beat him next week the long off season will be made even worse for him. Missing the playoffs after being in 1st place with 3 weeks to go is bad. Doing all that and losing the last 4 games would be worse.

 

[Stryker44]

The only offensive genius coach that I can remember is Bill Walsh - inventing the WCO. Same with Belichick and the 3-4 as the Giants DC.

 

[Blackspider214]

I fail to see any need to bash Chip Kelly. He's an innovative offensive coach that just happens to be hampered with the play of a poor QB at the moment. Don't get me wrong -- I'm far from being an Eagles fan or anything remotely similar. Candidly, I hate to think how difficult they may be to stop once they get the right talent into place. Insert a good QB in place of Sanchez along with a better defense and they'll likely present problems.

So pretty much load up Kelly with talent and only then he succeeds? Doesn't seem real innovative to me. For one, this isn't college where you can just recruit whomever you want. There are tons of restrictions in the pros like the draft and the salary cap.

My point of the thread was Kelly was supposed to be some genius where this system was going to take the NFL by storm. It hasn't. It won't. It never did in college, either. Kelly's big knock was that offense wilted when it played stiff competition. Same as on this level. He's racking up wins against inferior competition and any time he plays a team of equal or better competition, he loses 90% of the time.

Kelly's scheme was supposed to be so genius that he could take guys like Foles and Sanchez and take over the league because it's just that good. Well Foles looked good last year because there was no tape on him. He was new. DC's had a whole offseason to study this offense and they have figured it out.

Eagles success this season has been more predicated on their special teams than anything. They lead the league, or at least they did, on scoring non offensive TDs. They got their offense great field position and scored for them.

If Kelly can only win with stacked talent, then don't call him innovative.

 

[Eddie]

I never gave props to any gimmick O.

Teams with the best players win. Hands down. Jimmy Johnson won 2 Super Bowls and also went through a 1-15 season. Tom Landry coached 5 Super Bowl teams and at least a dozen NFC-CS teams. He also finished his career 3-13. It's about the talent.

Garrett is winning because he has good players.

 

[cowboys1981]

Watch these guys go all in for Revis and in the draft to acquire Mariota.

 

[joseephuss]

The only offensive genius coach that I can remember is Bill Walsh - inventing the WCO. Same with Belichick and the 3-4 as the Giants DC.

There are old timers that don't credit Walsh with inventing the WCO. They say that it was Paul Brown's offense and Walsh took it to another level.

 

[Bullflop]

So pretty much load up Kelly with talent and only then he succeeds? Doesn't seem real innovative to me. For one, this isn't college where you can just recruit whomever you want. There are tons of restrictions in the pros like the draft and the salary cap.

My point of the thread was Kelly was supposed to be some genius where this system was going to take the NFL by storm. It hasn't. It won't. It never did in college, either. Kelly's big knock was that offense wilted when it played stiff competition. Same as on this level. He's racking up wins against inferior competition and any time he plays a team of equal or better competition, he loses 90% of the time.

Kelly's scheme was supposed to be so genius that he could take guys like Foles and Sanchez and take over the league because it's just that good. Well Foles looked good last year because there was no tape on him. He was new. DC's had a whole offseason to study this offense and they have figured it out.

Eagles success this season has been more predicated on their special teams than anything. They lead the league, or at least they did, on scoring non offensive TDs. They got their offense great field position and scored for them.

If Kelly can only win with stacked talent, then don't call him innovative.

I mentioned nothing about "stacked talent," I believe that was your baby. Like any successful coach, he'll require a QB that doesn't throw picks like they're being distributed out of sheer overdone kindness. I'm not assuming anything about what many thought he was 'supposed to be.' He's currently saddled with a couple of QBs that clearly aren't going to make a decent coach look like anything but a loser. The Philly defense certainly isn't anything to make even a good coach like Andy Reid look acceptably capable. That's all I said without anyone putting words in my mouth that can't rightfully be attributed to yours truly.