So who is left? Lets get a head count

[65fastback2plus2]

Well granted, it was Jason Garrett in control of the offense at that point, so we cant blame just Romo. Remember the game where Murray was averaging 8 yards a rush in the first half. Garrett ran him only 7 times in the 2nd half up by 23 and Romo threw 3 picks and we lost. Threw 3 picks and lost to GB also.

And no doubt the defense didnt do us any favors.

Heres the thing...ALL qb's have bad games. Singling out tony is what makes the argument ridiculous.

Peyton Manning is T2nd for most interceptions in a game with 6 in 2007.

Peyton has lost 2 superbowls throwing game losing interceptions.

Peyton leads the nfl in most int's in a quarter (3) and he has done that TWICE.

Tom Brady has multiple 4+ int games on his resume.

The idea that it is ONLY tony, has always been only tony, isnt ever any other QB and will never be Dak is defying logic, gravity and a whole host of other natural laws.

 

[Animosity]

I've been saying start Dak since the preseason. Romo has had 10 years and has nothing to show for instead of padded stats in garbage time. The future starts now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I dont care about how they're playing in the regular season...I care about playing this come playoff time. Its how you get sent home quick.

And lets not even touch the possibility that zeke (who is really driving the teams success) could become injured at any moment and dak would most likely take a nose dive in performance. He doesnt have the ability to overcome team mistakes or injuries to other key components of the team. Tony does.

You sound bitter. Its a same you cant enjoy this special time in Cowboys history.

Love Romo, but if anything, Romo was a regular season QB and had little success in the post season. Dak has debunked everything the detractors have said up to this point. He was throwing deep balls yesterday, 3 TD passes. Overcame a pick and a fumble. Went 93 yards in 30 seconds at the end of the half.

This offense is muuuuuch more diverse and unpredictable with Dak in there. Much more options in the play book to use with Dak. Harder to game plan for. And those QB option plays help open up the running game.

That being said I think Romo would be very successful if he was completely healthy as well.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Heres the thing...ALL qb's have bad games. Singling out tony is what makes the argument ridiculous.

Peyton Manning is T2nd for most interceptions in a game with 6 in 2007.

Peyton has lost 2 superbowls throwing game losing interceptions.

Peyton leads the nfl in most int's in a quarter (3) and he has done that TWICE.

Tom Brady has multiple 4+ int games on his resume.

The idea that it is ONLY tony, has always been only tony, isnt ever any other QB and will never be Dak is defying logic, gravity and a whole host of other natural laws.

Im not singling out anybody. This thread is about Tony and Dak and that is what we are talking about. IT was mentioned that Dak would never be up 21. I was simply pointing out the last two times Romo was up that big we lost.

When you are up that big you need to go more conservative. And you need a QB that doesnt screw it up and make dumb mistakes. Romo has rarely been that kind of guy. They are two completely different QB's.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Whoever the coaches determine will play the QB. I think it is hard call to make no matter how people spin it. For me, I will pull for both guys. I can see an argument for all views and god knows everyone has one. All I care about is who ever is behind center that they continue to help this team win games.

Whatever.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I was in the "start Romo when he's healthy" camp. I am now in the "ride the Dak and Zeke train" camp. What an amazing few weeks!

That said-- I see a couple of issues on the horizon that will need to be dealt with if "the future is now" with Dak. Would love to hear your thoughts on these issues:

1. What do you do with Romo? We are married to his contract at least through 2017. He won't retire on a down note like this. He believes he can still play. His contract is crazy expensive for a backup QB. Do you trade him? OK-- but if you don't start him at some point this season-- how do you know what his value is after his injury? You can't offload a franchise QB for peanuts. If we trade him-- I want value. If Bradford is worth a 1st and 4th rounder-- what is Romo worth to a QB starved team?

2. What do you do if Dak struggles and his play severely declines? He certainly wouldn't be the first rookie to start out hot and fade. Personally, I don't see that happening-- but when making decisions you have to consider every possible angle and outcome. If you demote Romo and go with Dak and then Prescott starts to flounder-- do you bring Romo in to save the team? If so-- when? How many games do you give Prescott if he starts to suck it up? IMO-- if you make this change, you have to stick with it. You can't be double-minded. The team needs to know who you are rolling with.

 

[Kevinicus]

What happened the last 2 times were were up by 21 or more with Romo? One was a Greenbay game and the other was the Detrot Lions.

Your memory is poor. The last 2 times they were up by 21 or more with Romo were weeks 16 and 17 of 2014. Both blowout wins.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I was in the "start Romo when he's healthy" camp. I am now in the "ride the Dak and Zeke train" camp. What an amazing few weeks!

That said-- I see a couple of issues on the horizon that will need to be dealt with if "the future is now" with Dak. Would love to hear your thoughts on these issues:

1. What do you do with Romo? We are married to his contract at least through 2017. He won't retire on a down note like this. He believes he can still play. His contract is crazy expensive for a backup QB. Do you trade him? OK-- but if you don't start him at some point this season-- how do you know what his value is after his injury? You can't offload a franchise QB for peanuts. If we trade him-- I want value. If Bradford is worth a 1st and 4th rounder-- what is Romo worth to a QB starved team?

2. What do you do if Dak struggles and his play severely declines? He certainly wouldn't be the first rookie to start out hot and fade. Personally, I don't see that happening-- but when making decisions you have to consider every possible angle and outcome. If you demote Romo and go with Dak and then Prescott starts to flounder-- do you bring Romo in to save the team? If so-- when? How many games do you give Prescott if he starts to suck it up? IMO-- if you make this change, you have to stick with it. You can't be double-minded. The team needs to know who you are rolling with.

1. Trade Romo after the season if Dak continues to play great.
2. If Dak all of a sudden take a nose dive you put Romo in there. IF Romo carries deep into the playoffs, then you got both guys for next year.

 

[Doomsday]

How do you bench your QB who is 5-1? If they are smart they start Dak vs Philly, stating Romo is still shaking the rust off, blah, blah, blah.

Like it or not this is DAK's team right now, I don't understand how you can bench him unless he starts to struggle.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

You sound bitter. Its a same you cant enjoy this special time in Cowboys history.

Love Romo, but if anything, Romo was a regular season QB and had little success in the post season. Dak has debunked everything the detractors have said up to this point. He was throwing deep balls yesterday, 3 TD passes. Overcame a pick and a fumble. Went 93 yards in 30 seconds at the end of the half.

This offense is muuuuuch more diverse and unpredictable with Dak in there. Much more options in the play book to use with Dak. Harder to game plan for. And those QB option plays help open up the running game.

That being said I think Romo would be very successful if he was completely healthy as well.

everything you mention here is not because of dak.

It is because of the oline+zeke.

Dak is basically the life boat thats in tow behind the super cruiser.

 

[Hawkeye19]

1. Trade Romo after the season if Dak continues to play great.
2. If Dak all of a sudden take a nose dive you put Romo in there. IF Romo carries deep into the playoffs, then you got both guys for next year.

How do you trade Romo if he doesn't play this year? Teams won't give you anything for him unless he demonstrates he regains his 2014 productivity. That is the difference between a multi-pick package and maybe getting a 6th or 7th rounder.

In our eagerness to move to Dak-- we need to make sure we get value for Romo if we trade him. Giving him away would be a mistake.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

How do you bench your QB who is 5-1? If they are smart they start Dak vs Philly, stating Romo is shaking the rust off.

Like it or not this is DAK's team right now, I don't understand how you can bench him unless he starts to struggle.

Here's how ridiculous this dumb argument is.

In 2008, the patriots were 11-5 under matt cassel.

Lets add two hypotheticals in here for a second.

1) They make the playoffs
2) at the end of the regular season, Tom is back from his torn knee and ready to go.

Do you start Tom or Matt?

And go!

 

[Doomsday]

Here's how ridiculous this dumb argument is.

In 2008, the patriots were 11-5 under matt cassel.

Lets add two hypotheticals in here for a second.

1) They make the playoffs
2) at the end of the regular season, Tom is back from his torn knee and ready to go.

Do you start Tom or Matt?

And go!

Tony Romo is NOT Tom Brady and Dallas is not the Patriots. This is a 4-12 team that has 1 playoff win with Romo at the helm.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Tony Romo is NOT Tom Brady and Dallas is not the Patriots. This is a 4-12 team that has 1 playoff win with Romo at the helm.

I guess you should review who is #3 and who is #5: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Before you say it, I know, I know, Tony lucked into the top 10 there with everyone else who has a ring. PURE accident. He's trash and someone flubbed on some numbers.

 

[jwooten15]

I was in the "start Romo when he's healthy" camp. I am now in the "ride the Dak and Zeke train" camp. What an amazing few weeks!

That said-- I see a couple of issues on the horizon that will need to be dealt with if "the future is now" with Dak. Would love to hear your thoughts on these issues:

1. What do you do with Romo? We are married to his contract at least through 2017. He won't retire on a down note like this. He believes he can still play. His contract is crazy expensive for a backup QB. Do you trade him? OK-- but if you don't start him at some point this season-- how do you know what his value is after his injury? You can't offload a franchise QB for peanuts. If we trade him-- I want value. If Bradford is worth a 1st and 4th rounder-- what is Romo worth to a QB starved team?

2. What do you do if Dak struggles and his play severely declines? He certainly wouldn't be the first rookie to start out hot and fade. Personally, I don't see that happening-- but when making decisions you have to consider every possible angle and outcome. If you demote Romo and go with Dak and then Prescott starts to flounder-- do you bring Romo in to save the team? If so-- when? How many games do you give Prescott if he starts to suck it up? IMO-- if you make this change, you have to stick with it. You can't be double-minded. The team needs to know who you are rolling with.

Those are some hard questions to answer.

1. I think I would be really tempted to at least listen to trade offers. Say Ben's injury ended up being worse than it is, and he's out for the year. What would Romo be worth to them? Or Carson Palmer gets his knee destroyed again? Personally, I don't see how we could pass up an offer if we got one similar to what Bradford was fetched for. I just don't know if Romo would be worth that much to anybody. Bottom line: if the price is right, never say never!

2. With us getting off to such a great start, I think that we might have a little more cushion to play with than we normally would. So if we stick with Dak and he starts struggling, I'd make him prove over a 2-3 game stretch that the decline is "real".

We are in a tough spot. It's so much easier to ONLY have one good QB. I really have no idea what they will do.

 

[Doomsday]

I guess you should review who is #3 and who is #5: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Before you say it, I know, I know, Tony lucked into the top 10 there with everyone else who has a ring. PURE accident. He's trash and someone flubbed on some numbers.

See, youre the one making stupid arguments, not me. You assume because I think Dak deserves to keep his job, for now, that I think Romo sucks. I think he is an aging player who really hasn't seen the field in almost 2 years, and the chemistry on this team is soaring under Dak. Why would any one in their right mind want to break that up? Dak earned the job on the field, he should have to lose the job on the field as well.

And as good as Romo has been he aint Tom Brady.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

See, youre the one making stupid arguments, not me. You assume because I think Dak deserves to keep his job, for now, that I think Romo sucks. I think he is an aging player who really hasn't seen the field in almost 2 years, and the chemistry on this team is soaring under Dak. Why would any one in their right mind want to break that up? Dak earned the job on the field, he should have to lose the job on the field as well.

Again, why would the patriots in 2008 have went back to brady went matt had chemistry and 11 wins!

Simple...you always field your best players until your best players PROVE they arent the best.

 

[mrmojo]

I guess you should review who is #3 and who is #5: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Before you say it, I know, I know, Tony lucked into the top 10 there with everyone else who has a ring. PURE accident. He's trash and someone flubbed on some numbers.

Are you related to Romo or something? Even Romos wife thinks Dak should be the starter /s/

 

[Doomsday]

Again, why would the patriots in 2008 have went back to brady went matt had chemistry and 11 wins!

Simple...you always field your best players until your best players PROVE they arent the best.

Why didn't the 2001 Patriots go back to Drew Bledsoe?

I have yet to see anything from Romo the last 12 months that suggests he is better then Dak is right now. You're living in 2014, he didn't play well last year, when he was on the field.

edit: 2001 not 2005

 

[Hawkeye19]

Those are some hard questions to answer.

1. I think I would be really tempted to at least listen to trade offers. Say Ben's injury ended up being worse than it is, and he's out for the year. What would Romo be worth to them? Or Carson Palmer gets his knee destroyed again? Personally, I don't see how we could pass up an offer if we got one similar to what Bradford was fetched for. I just don't know if Romo would be worth that much to anybody. Bottom line: if the price is right, never say never!

2. With us getting off to such a great start, I think that we might have a little more cushion to play with than we normally would. So if we stick with Dak and he starts struggling, I'd make him prove over a 2-3 game stretch that the decline is "real".

We are in a tough spot. It's so much easier to ONLY have one good QB. I really have no idea what they will do.

So, just clarifying-- you are even considering trading Romo this season? If the price is right?

To me-- I don't move Romo until the offseason at the earliest. And the price would have to be right as you say. I would be inclined to keep him as a backup-- even with his crazy high cap charge-- than give him away for nothing or cut him. Franchise QBs are the most valuable thing in the NFL. I would not even advertise him as trade bait. I'd make some team come in and "pry" him away from me.

The real issue for trading him is demonstrating to the league that he can still play at a very high level. We do that-- and we could be looking at a nice haul in picks. That would be huge for us to continue developing the defense and adding depth and quality to this team.