So, who would be disappointed if BP...

[Hostile]

Yeah, but our Offense was not the problem last year and at some point was 3rd Overall in the NFL, which is certainly good enough to win a Title.

So if Henning cant do better than that, then that makes it a wash or maybe even a downgrade.

- Mike G.

So, would you focus on defense in the Draft again?

Can 'o crickets opened.

I seriously might focus one more year on the defense if the OL could be addressed in FA.

 

[yesfan]

Actually,i have a feeling Henning being fired could be
a factor in Bill's decision.This arrangement could suffice
so that Jerry could get a Fisher or Cowher to take over.

 

[jazzcat22]

I would be disappointed if we didn't have at least 10 more BP threads today...

Would you prefer a TO thread?

But I do agree. However it is the off season, be prepared.

And I think it would be an improvement.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Really don't understand this line of thinking. History told us Elway couldn't win the big one, Cowher couldn't win it all, Landry and the Cowboys couldn't win it all, etc.

Apples and Oranges. Let's stick to actually trying to win a Playoff Game before we start comparing it to Elway, Cowher and Landry trying to win a Championships

Since when are past performances indicative of future results? Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I've seen definite improvement the last two years of our rebuilding, after we got over our deluded playoff team high of 03. I'm anxious to see what happens in 07. I'm not going to look at the past 4 years and say that because something hasn't happened, that it can't happen.

I never said we were definately going be a below average team.

The only variables I have in this discussion to go off of are past performances. Past performances are the basis for so many things in life as well as football. Free Agency, hiring/firing Coaches and Players, which plays to call etc etc. Past Performances are not the sole reason things are done, but it does play a major role on how someone or a something is perceived.

Based on what I have to go by, why wouldnt I think the Cowboys wouldnt tank at the end of the season when they have done it 2 years straight? Some of the worst collapses and record mental defensive breakdowns have happened in the last 4 years in Cowboys history that I have lost count, why should I not believe that wont continue?

Texas isnt the Show-Me State, but by golly you are going to have to show me something before I start to be a little more optimistic.

 

[JPM]

SQ for me, though I am excited to see a full season of Romo behind center.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

So, would you focus on defense in the Draft again?

Can 'o crickets opened.

I seriously might focus one more year on the defense if the OL could be addressed in FA.

Nope.

Remember, me and you had that discussion, I wanted to go heavy Offensive Line (because it was deep with lineman) and you wanted to go heavy Defense, and obviously you won out and I think we got some decent players on the defense out of this last draft, contrary to popular belief.

Now you want to open up a can 'o crickets, I would argue that just about every starter on our Defense could go to other clubs and start minus Keith Davis and Pat Watkins.

That is how good I think our defense is.

I have not paid too much attention to the draft but if I could I would go heavy Offensive Line and Receiver.

If I am not mistaken, the last time we spent a 1st day pick on offense is I think Eric Bjournson, I could be wrong but it has been a long dang time.

- Mike G.

 

[superpunk]

Apples and Oranges. Let's stick to actually trying to win a Playoff Game before we start comparing it to Elway, Cowher and Landry trying to win a Championships

It's not apples and oranges. It's the same thing. Overcoming trends. It happens all the time.

Based on what I have to go by, why wouldnt I think the Cowboys wouldnt tank at the end of the season when they have done it 2 years straight? Some of the worst collapses and record mental defensive breakdowns have happened in the last 4 years in Cowboys history that I have lost count, why should I not believe that wont continue?

Because it's a new year. The problems down the stretch were defensive, and we're going to have a new defensive staff in here. Lots of things can change. Our offense did almost overnight. We've got some new young hope at QB and a host of other positions. There's lots of good going on, if you take the time to look at it.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not apples and oranges. It's the same thing. Overcoming trends. It happens all the time.



Because it's a new year. The problems down the stretch were defensive, and we're going to have a new defensive staff in here. Lots of things can change. Our offense did almost overnight. We've got some new young hope at QB and a host of other positions. There's lots of good going on, if you take the time to look at it.

I agree. As a Longhorns fan I heard many times that as long as Mac Brown was the HC Texas would never win a National Championship well never came in 2005. That is one example of a coach going from the out house to the Penthouse and doing what critics said he would never do. The NFL has had many coaches who were also on the hot seat during their careers only to prove their critics wrong.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It's not apples and oranges. It's the same thing. Overcoming trends. It happens all the time.

As I stated, like Theebs just said in another thread about seeing and hearing it for himself, im taking the same stance on our season next year. Do some people/teams overcome trends all the time, absolutely but some teams continue to get similar results year after year, absolutely, like Big Bill kept saying when asked about T.O. getting on the field in TC, "Pretty he is going to have to show me something...I need to see something".

Because it's a new year. The problems down the stretch were defensive, and we're going to have a new defensive staff in here. Lots of things can change. Our offense did almost overnight. We've got some new young hope at QB and a host of other positions. There's lots of good going on, if you take the time to look at it.

Again, just because you added this guy or that guy doesn't mean you are going to get better results.

- Mike G.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Again, just because you added this guy or that guy doesn't mean you are going to get better results.

- Mike G.

it doesn't hurt to try

 

[superpunk]

As I stated, like Theebs just said in another thread about seeing and hearing it for himself, im taking the same stance on our season next year. Do some people/teams overcome trends all the time, absolutely but some teams continue to get similar results year after year, absolutely, like Big Bill kept saying when asked about T.O. getting on the field in TC, "Pretty he is going to have to show me something...I need to see something".

Again, just because you added this guy or that guy doesn't mean you are going to get better results.

- Mike G.

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It has nothing to do with adding guys. That's gonna happen either way - it has to do with the team Bill built and the progress it's making. Maybe our December struggles will continue - but nothing that happened in the past means a hill of beans when looking at that trend. If it did, we'd never lose in December, as that's when Bill's teams typically caught fire. We'll have a Qb getting all the work in training camp, another year of our young fellows, and a DC (hopefully Bowles) who might shake things up like they did on offense - and two december fades have nothing to do with any of that.

 

[Aikmaniac]

shocking

unbelievabill.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

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It has nothing to do with adding guys. That's gonna happen either way - it has to do with the team Bill built and the progress it's making. Maybe our December struggles will continue - but nothing that happened in the past means a hill of beans when looking at that trend. If it did, we'd never lose in December, as that's when Bill's teams typically caught fire. We'll have a Qb getting all the work in training camp, another year of our young fellows, and a DC (hopefully Bowles) who might shake things up like they did on offense - and two december fades have nothing to do with any of that.

Keyword in all of this.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am certainly entitled to mine and in any case, I how you are right, but I remain skeptical.

As far as this discussion is concerned, I will leave it at that.

- Mike G.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Status Quo.

Based soley on history the last 4 years, this team will be average at best and either tank at the end of the season and not make the playoffs or do the aforementioned, and then be one and done in the playoffs.

History the last 4 years tells us that .

- Mike G.

Unfortunately this is pretty accurate. Although each season is unique within itself.

If certain philosophies dont change and if we dont execute better... then your post is right on the mark.

 

[THUMPER]

coaches this season, Henning is our OC (or whatever title JJ/BP gives him) along with our OC's from last season, and Bowles is the DC?

Do you consider this status quo, an improvement, or disappointment?

As for me, I'd consider it status quo.

I would be disappointed because it would signify no change from what we have seen the last 4 years.

 

[Concord]

If Parcells comes back I'll be disappointed regardless of who he brings in.

I guess I'll just have to pray that next off season we finally move on...the Cowboys are just delaying the inevitable if he comes back this year.

 

[Hostile]

Nope.

Remember, me and you had that discussion, I wanted to go heavy Offensive Line (because it was deep with lineman) and you wanted to go heavy Defense, and obviously you won out and I think we got some decent players on the defense out of this last draft, contrary to popular belief.

Now you want to open up a can 'o crickets, I would argue that just about every starter on our Defense could go to other clubs and start minus Keith Davis and Pat Watkins.

That is how good I think our defense is.

I have not paid too much attention to the draft but if I could I would go heavy Offensive Line and Receiver.

If I am not mistaken, the last time we spent a 1st day pick on offense is I think Eric Bjournson, I could be wrong but it has been a long dang time.

- Mike G.

You didn't take the bait. I agree with you. I don't want to go Defense heavy either. The only positions I would look at in round 1 are FS, CB or if Paul Posluzny of Penn State fell to us and I'd move him to ILB.

Other than that, I would fix the OL, draft a backup to Romo to groom, and WR as focus of this Draft. I do think OL in Free Agency is a good possibility.

I'm dead serious, I think our personnel is not the issue at all. Our main problems were the game plans and lack of adjustments.

 

[802dave]

So, would you focus on defense in the Draft again?

Can 'o crickets opened.

I seriously might focus one more year on the defense if the OL could be addressed in FA.

Your focus in the draft will in part be directed by how well we do with FA.

Offense:
You need holes to consistently run the ball; you need good pass protection to consistently have a good passing game - the OL needs to be addessed - it's the common denominator for a good offense. Are Jones & Barber at least adequate if there is good consistent? I think so, but we won't really know until the line is stronger. Glenn & Owens are aging (both ~34), I'd like to see WR addressed in the offseason! Crayton, Hurd, & Austin look like they have the tools to be effective in the future, but who knows if they become #1 receivers?! I think Romo's the real deal, but that still is another question to answer; and we seriously need to add a decent veteran backup!

Defense:
If your going to have a chance to consistently stop the other team's offense, you've got to pressure the QB! For whatever reason, we weren't able to do that, especially after Ellis went down. Another pass rushing fool needs to be added here somewhere in the front seven!!! If Henry moves to free safety, will he be the answer there? I don't know, but we need to find an answer there, or our secondary will continue to look rediculous at times - especially against smart offensive coordinators. The secondary needs to be addressed - period!

Okay, so we upgrade the OL, DL/LB (QB pressurer), DB's, & WR. What does that get us? Well, if we don't upgrade the schemes and learn to throw a little variation in there somewhere, I think it just gets us one more year of mediocrity under the status quo.

I believe that's what we're going to see for the '07 season. And, looking at this under a long range focus, I think I'm okay with it.

With that in mind, after the '07 season ends, we're looking at bringing in new coaching blood with new ideas - hopefully energizing play. We've seen what can be done in one season - Payton in New Orleans, so that doesn't bother me.

Keep building for the future and let's assemble a young energizing staff that knows how to bend and adjust on the fly to modern game day events.

I know, this is just a bunch of my speculation, but I see this as what the Boys need to do. I don't see how the status quo is going to change without a wholesale change with the coaching staff; the head coach can't look like worn-out hammered dukie and expect to have much of an energizing effect on his players. I think his time has passed him by! Hopefully this gets addressed asap!

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Your focus in the draft will in part be directed by how well we do with FA.

Offense:
You need holes to consistently run the ball; you need good pass protection to consistently have a good passing game - the OL needs to be addessed - it's the common denominator for a good offense. Are Jones & Barber at least adequate if there is good consistent? I think so, but we won't really know until the line is stronger. Glenn & Owens are aging (both ~34), I'd like to see WR addressed in the offseason! Crayton, Hurd, & Austin look like they have the tools to be effective in the future, but who knows if they become #1 receivers?! I think Romo's the real deal, but that still is another question to answer; and we seriously need to add a decent veteran backup!

Defense:
If your going to have a chance to consistently stop the other team's offense, you've got to pressure the QB! For whatever reason, we weren't able to do that, especially after Ellis went down. Another pass rushing fool needs to be added here somewhere in the front seven!!! If Henry moves to free safety, will he be the answer there? I don't know, but we need to find an answer there, or our secondary will continue to look rediculous at times - especially against smart offensive coordinators. The secondary needs to be addressed - period!

Okay, so we upgrade the OL, DL/LB (QB pressurer), DB's, & WR. What does that get us? Well, if we don't upgrade the schemes and learn to throw a little variation in there somewhere, I think it just gets us one more year of mediocrity under the status quo.

I believe that's what we're going to see for the '07 season. And, looking at this under a long range focus, I think I'm okay with it.

With that in mind, after the '07 season ends, we're looking at bringing in new coaching blood with new ideas - hopefully energizing play. We've seen what can be done in one season - Payton in New Orleans, so that doesn't bother me.

Keep building for the future and let's assemble a young energizing staff that knows how to bend and adjust on the fly to modern game day events.

I know, this is just a bunch of my speculation, but I see this as what the Boys need to do. I don't see how the status quo is going to change without a wholesale change with the coaching staff; the head coach can't look like worn-out hammered dukie and expect to have much of an energizing effect on his players. I think his time has passed him by! Hopefully this gets addressed asap!

I would not be shocked if we didn't draft an OL in this draft,, maybe a late rd guard. I think it really depends on what BP thinks of Proctor. If he is sold he is the answer at RG, then we won't draft an OL early or spend big money on FA OL either. IF there are questions regarding Proctor in BP mind, then we will go theFA route and draft an OL in Middle rounds.. jmo.

 

[burmafrd]

I have to admit that I never thought that Texas would win it all as long as Mack Brown was there. Never had a coach with so much talent done so little.