Some fun...This board in the 80's

[Hostile]

One of the most interesting threads since the season ended.

 

[bbgun]

One of the most interesting threads since the season ended.

If by "interesting" you mean a stealth thread meant to flatter or exonerate Jerry Jones by drawing a nonsensical comparison to the late 80s Cowboys, then yes, very "interesting."

 

[5Countem5]

If by "interesting" you mean a stealth thread meant to flatter or exonerate Jerry Jones by drawing a nonsensical comparison to the late 80s Cowboys, then yes, very "interesting."

Nothing to do with Jerry.

Your obsession is getting the better of you. Does he hide under your bed too?

 

[bbgun]

Nothing to do with Jerry.

Oh, of course not. You're not transparent at all.

Your obsession is getting the better of you. Does he hide under your bed too?

Under is better than in it, but you know all about that.

 

[Hostile]

If by "interesting" you mean a stealth thread meant to flatter or exonerate Jerry Jones by drawing a nonsensical comparison to the late 80s Cowboys, then yes, very "interesting."

No. I mean interesting. I've never heard the coin flip story.

I hadn't thought about Tex hiring Hackett, but he sure as heck did.

If these things exonerate Jerry in the eyes of some, so be it. I've never thought the "prosecution" was all that well thought out since there is no attempt to do as Zaxor asked. Why not put what the expectations of a GM are and see how many people measure up?

Naw, that'd be honest. We don't need no stinking honesty. We need to *****. Then we can ***** about the fact some people don't buy the *****ing.

 

[5Countem5]

No. I mean interesting. I've never heard the coin flip story.

I hadn't thought about Tex hiring Hackett, but he sure as heck did.

If these things exonerate Jerry in the eyes of some, so be it. I've never thought the "prosecution" was all that well thought out since there is no attempt to do as Zaxor asked. Why not put what the expectations of a GM are and see how many people measure up?

Naw, that'd be honest. We don't need no stinking honesty. We need to *****. Then we can ***** about the fact some people don't buy the *****ing.

I just saw that Tex later installed offensive line coach Jim Erkenbeck and special teams coach Mike Solari.

 

[DWhite Fan]

The 1986 season would have been the one most like the 2008 season we just finished. Here were the Cowboys sitting at 6-2 atop the NFC East. Dallas was definately the SB favorite out of the NFC (having defeated the eventual SB champion Giants in the first game of the season) The offense was clicking under Paul Hackett and Danny White was having probably the best season of his career. Then White's wrist is broken and he is finsihed for the season. Enter Steve Pelluer and the Cowboys win only one more game the rest of the season to finish 7-9. For me, the 1986 season was every bit as disappointing as the 2008 season.
I would have loved to have seen the posts on this board during the second half of the 1986 season. Probably would have been as venomous as the one's we have seen this year:starspin

 

[bbgun]

The 1986 season would have been the one most like the 2008 season we just finished. Here were the Cowboys sitting at 6-2 atop the NFC East. Dallas was definately the SB favorite out of the NFC (having defeated the eventual SB champion Giants in the first game of the season) The offense was clicking under Paul Hackett and Danny White was having probably the best season of his career. Then White's wrist is broken and he is finsihed for the season. Enter Steve Pelluer and the Cowboys win only one more game the rest of the season to finish 7-9. For me, the 1986 season was every bit as disappointing as the 2008 season.
I would have loved to have seen the posts on this board during the second half of the 1986 season. Probably would have been as venomous as the one's we have seen this year:starspin

What, you didn't like Pelluer's five picks vs. the Raiders?

 

[DallasEast]

Interesting premise. We have been given past examples:

• Owner (H.R. "Bum" Bright)
• General Manager (Tex Schramm)
• Ex-Cowboy (Roger Staubach)

Contemporary (e.g. right now) examples of the aforementioned could be Jerry Jones (owner/GM) and Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, etc. (ex-Cowboys).

Any examples from that particular timeframe of then current players commentary conveyed during one-on-one televised interviews, etc.? The Bright, Schramm and Staubach examples have been repeated in some form or fashion by owners, general managers and/or ex-players since the creation of the league itself.

What I would find more interesting is commentary from players who were still on those teams and in what context they publicly expressed themselves in the media. In my opinion, that would've provided a whole LOT more fodder for this or any other message board--either back then or now. In my opinion, distractions which affect team chemistry are strongest from within the roster than from outside it.

 

[DWhite Fan]

What, you didn't like Pelluer's five picks vs. the Raiders?

Well, I guess I have to give Pelluer some credit for getting the ball into the hands of the open man. Whether that man was a Cowboy receiver or Raider d-back, if he was open, Steve got the ball to him :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[windward]

No. I mean interesting. I've never heard the coin flip story.

I hadn't thought about Tex hiring Hackett, but he sure as heck did.

If these things exonerate Jerry in the eyes of some, so be it. I've never thought the "prosecution" was all that well thought out since there is no attempt to do as Zaxor asked. Why not put what the expectations of a GM are and see how many people measure up?

Naw, that'd be honest. We don't need no stinking honesty. We need to *****. Then we can ***** about the fact some people don't buy the *****ing.

With talk of Tony turnover, imagine what would be said of Danny White, circa 1987

 

[DWhite Fan]

With talk of Tony turnover, imagine what would be said of Danny White, circa 1987

I would believe the same things would have been said about him that had been said his whole career and are still said today (loser, choker, etc.)

By 1987, the Cowboys were well on their way to the league basement. I believe the players strike that year hurt the Cowboys more than any other team. Remember Tony D. ripping on Randy White? White's wrist never healed right after being broken in '86, which took away most of Danny's accuracy.
I remember watching the Vikings beat Dallas 44-38 that year in overtime on Thanksgiving day (a White INT lead to the Vikings winning score). In the post game interview, Danny, in tears, took full responsibility for the loss.

Show me one 2008 Cowboy player, Romo included, that showed that much emotion after the Philly loss last week, a game that had a heck of a lot more riding on it.:starspin

 

[ZeroClub]

Back in the late 1980's, before Jerry bought the team, I was arguing that it was time for Landry to step aside and that the team should try to get some value for the only in-his-prime top-quality player on their roster (Herschel Walker). I was also hoping that Reggie Collier would be groomed to take over.

At that stage of his career, poor Danny White was little more than a sitting duck behind the line. His number 11 might as well have been a bulleye.

Those were dark days.

And, actually, Jimmy's first year was pretty bad too. He came in with some hype and early on, before the regular season, spoke like he was impressed with his team's talent. So that first year was certainly a let down.

 

[Rack]

What would this board have been like in the late 80's? Let's recall Dallas has gone from 3 straight NFC Championship games in the early eighties to 10–6 in 1985 to 7–9 in 1986, 7–8 in 1987, and 3–13 in 1988.

Bum Bright said after a loss to Atalanta (worst record that year)-per SI-

" Bright said the Cowboys' play-calling "horrified" him. "It doesn't seem like we've got anybody in charge who knows what he's doing, other than Tex," he added. Bright also allowed as how he thought that the top draft pick, defensive tackle Danny Noonan, and running back Herschel Walker weren't being used enough, considering all the money they get paid. Bright is in banking, mortgaging and oil. When you pay for a high-priced oil rig it gets put to use. Now."


Tex Schramm said- "There's an old saying, "If the teacher doesn't teach, the student doesn't learn,' " Schramm said on his radio show. That was the day after the Cowboys' 27-17 loss to Detroit, a team that had come into the game tied with Kansas City, the Giants and the Rams for the worst record in the NFL.


And later...


"Some of the things we're doing are frankly mystifying. It's very seldom I put myself in a position of giving the players a reason for losing, but I'm not sure it's all on the players. When things aren't working and you continue to see the same things, it shakes your confidence."


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Just wondering what everyone thinks this board would be doing during those times. Especially those posters who abhor "distractions" and act like none of the circus happening today could ever have happened under Landry.

Anything Bright said regarding the staff is complete crap considering he HATED Tom Landry so his bias would show it's ugly face every chance he got to show it.


And if you think this team would be like this under Landry then you're a complete ignoramous. Landry's teams had off the field stuff going on, but through it all the team still had ONE voice. None of the players went "over his head" to talk to Schramm about practices being too hard or too early. None of them went to Bright or Murchinson to complain about the playcalling or not getting the ball enough.

 

[Rack]

No. I mean interesting. I've never heard the coin flip story.

I hadn't thought about Tex hiring Hackett, but he sure as heck did.

If these things exonerate Jerry in the eyes of some, so be it. I've never thought the "prosecution" was all that well thought out since there is no attempt to do as Zaxor asked. Why not put what the expectations of a GM are and see how many people measure up?

Naw, that'd be honest. We don't need no stinking honesty. We need to *****. Then we can ***** about the fact some people don't buy the *****ing.

1. Jerry does his job as a GM. Not always great (the galloway and Roy11 trades were dumb), but solid.

2. People aren't complaining about Jerry the GM. It's jerry the Enabler people don't like. If you continue to undermine the HC's authority and ENABLE players to make/break the rules, then the team will have no reason to respect the coach. When you don't respect the coach, you don't win many games. You certainly don't win many playoff games.


BUt if you want to continue to try and simplify it by saying "People complain about Jerry's work as a GM" then go right ahead on, Johnny. But you and I both know it's not that simple.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

1. Jerry does his job as a GM. Not always great (the galloway and Roy11 trades were dumb), but solid.

2. People aren't complaining about Jerry the GM. It's jerry the Enabler people don't like. If you continue to undermine the HC's authority and ENABLE players to make/break the rules, then the team will have no reason to respect the coach. When you don't respect the coach, you don't win many games. You certainly don't win many playoff games.


BUt if you want to continue to try and simplify it by saying "People complain about Jerry's work as a GM" then go right ahead on, Johnny. But you and I both know it's not that simple.

Jerry the GM ain't super, but he has put a lot of talent on this team. We should be better than we are. I believe that in the case of this particular team, with its current makeup, comes down to coaching.

It's when Jerry oversteps his bounds that he becomes a problem. It starts with letting the coach hire his own people, letting the coach be the final word on team issues, and letting the coach have final say on who plays and who rides the pine. I believe Jerry is more than likely involved in every one of these decisions which should belong only to the head coach.

 

[MONT17]

Tom Landry drafted Irvin... and would have drafted Troy Aikman! Not sure Landry would have traded Walker or draft Steve Walsh with a Sup pick.

 

[ndanger]

After reading the title to this thread, I just wanna say, Molly Ringwald is hot and I'm hungry like a wolf.

 

[5Countem5]

Back in the late 1980's, before Jerry bought the team, I was arguing that it was time for Landry to step aside and that the team should try to get some value for the only in-his-prime top-quality player on their roster (Herschel Walker). I was also hoping that Reggie Collier would be groomed to take over.

At that stage of his career, poor Danny White was little more than a sitting duck behind the line. His number 11 might as well have been a bulleye.

Those were dark days.

And, actually, Jimmy's first year was pretty bad too. He came in with some hype and early on, before the regular season, spoke like he was impressed with his team's talent. So that first year was certainly a let down.

No matter the needs of some to turn every thread into a bash Jerry/Wade/TO/Romo thread, your post is what I was talking about.

If people think the board is divided now, think about it in those days.

Schramm/Bright vs. Landry factions

Walker vs. Dorsett factions

D White vs. Every other qb on roster factions

 

[Maikeru-sama]

What exactly is the point of this stupid thread?

Anytime you get bunch of people together, you are always going to have MAJOR and often vicious disagreements. You can also multiply that 100 fold when you have a medium such as the Internet where there is very little consequences for statements you make.

Coming out saying that this board would have been divided when Tom Landry was coach or when we lost in the Ice Bowl or when the team went 1-15 or when you had the Steve Walsh and Troy Aikman debates is like predicting the Sun is going to rise.

In any debate, there will always be extremes on both sides of the aisle. This happens at work, in politics and suprise suprise, on message boards.

This thread is simply another way to extend a stupid agenda and also to continue to question the loyalty of fans that disagree with the thread starter.