CFZ Some fundamental sports truths I wish JJ would grasp

[CouchCoach]

I understand to an extent but how naive is it for fans to come into a Jethro thread like this title not expecting bashing going on .

I’m sorry, but they either don’t get it or simply looking to defend our owner. Ignorance, exhaustion of the subject or naivety is no longer an excuse .

You’d think this would be one subject we could all agree on. I say it’s time for this to bring us all together instead of dividing us like so many subjects can.
Thanks

Please let me know the topic we can all agree on as I haven't seen it yet.

I have had some get in my face over my dislike for Booger but I don't take that personally and if they feel that shades my opinion, that's OK too.

 

[nalam]

Can somebody forward this to Frisco?

Better yet print out and circulate in the star.

 

[CouchCoach]

I would agree 100% after the addition of a single word.

Yep, they softball the questions unless they have preapproved a line of questioning about his personal life.

He is a very vindictive person and the local media types walk a fine line. If Jimmy is right and he can't stand admitting he's wrong, he sure as hell doesn't want some media person pointing that out.

I think the most interesting thing he's admitted is their use of the media for free promotion. He admitted he had to answer some questions about his "other daughter" and the Dalrymple stuff because the media would expect to exact a price for the free promotion.

 

[Diehardblues]

Please let me know the topic we can all agree on as I haven't seen it yet.

I have had some get in my face over my dislike for Booger but I don't take that personally and if they feel that shades my opinion, that's OK too.

I hear ya and appreciate all of your efforts on the subject .

But you’d think if there was ever a issue or subject matter we could all agree on. It’s that our owner isnt what’s best for Cowboys Football.

I can truthfully say everyone I know personally agree. Now if we can just get everyone on same page on this forum . I’m beginning to think it’s either opposing fans supporting him or clueless homers . lol

 

[DallasEast]

Yep, they softball the questions unless they have preapproved a line of questioning about his personal life.

He is a very vindictive person and the local media types walk a fine line. If Jimmy is right and he can't stand admitting he's wrong, he sure as hell doesn't want some media person pointing that out.

I think the most interesting thing he's admitted is their use of the media for free promotion. He admitted he had to answer some questions about his "other daughter" and the Dalrymple stuff because the media would expect to exact a price for the free promotion.

The personal life questioning is valid but I would love for them to sicken him about his tenure as GM. His title is not unique. General manager is not even unique solely to the sport of professional football. General managers throughout sports around the world, who have short careers with a club, have been peppered with questions constantly when their team's results are average or subpar. Jerral Wayne Jones should not be an exception of this criticism by the media.

It is not warranted for someone who has been a general manager for 33 years overseeing a franchise with sporadic postseason appearances and wins since the mid-90's. Jones should be badgered by the press over his record as GM. Every time a microphone is stuck in his face. Every time he calls for a press conference. Every time he starts pining over the days when he won Super Bowls while minimizing his partnership with Jimmy Johnson. It's freaking crazy.

/rant

 

[ESisback]

Please let me know the topic we can all agree on as I haven't seen it yet.

I have had some get in my face over my dislike for Booger but I don't take that personally and if they feel that shades my opinion, that's OK too.

I can overlook whatever potential flaws because you shared your Bloody Mary recipe…

 

[Bobhaze]

The personal life questioning is valid but I would love for them to sicken him about his tenure as GM. His title is not unique. General manager is not even unique solely to the sport of professional football. General managers throughout sports around the world, who have short careers with a club, have been peppered with questions constantly when their team's results are average or subpar. Jerral Wayne Jones should not be an exception of this criticism by the media.

It is not warranted for someone who has been a general manager for 33 years overseeing a franchise with sporadic postseason appearances and wins since the mid-90's. Jones should be badgered by the press over his record as GM. Every time a microphone is stuck in his face. Every time he calls for a press conference. Every time he starts pining over the days when he won Super Bowls while minimizing his partnership with Jimmy Johnson. It's freaking crazy.

/rant

100%.

 

[AsthmaField]

We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:

• Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.

• The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.

• Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.

• Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.

• Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.

• Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.

I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.

Man… no offense, but you’re obsessed with Jerry, I think.

 

[CyberB0b]

Can somebody forward this to Frisco?

The last 30 years or so have disproven a lot of the OP’s points. We’ve had poor playoff success when we’ve made it there, and the franchise is worth exponentially more.

 

[Bobhaze]

Man… no offense, but you’re obsessed with Jerry, I think.

No I’m obsessed with winning a championship again.

 

[AsthmaField]

No I’m obsessed with winning a championship again.

Ok

 

[Flamma]

Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.

Excellent post overall, and you would think most of it would be obvious. I just found this part funny. The part about research made me laugh. We don't need research to know a bear craps in the woods. Shouldn't this be obvious? I think they know this but do it anyway.

 

[plymkr]

no because common sense must prevail and to those in this thread or in this forum that had the opinion that an ownership group with 32 years of experience are not professional football people is flat wrong.. they have forgotten more then anyone in here could ahve ever learned from google and a keyboard by simply being in the inner workings for 32 years in daily operations, meetings, etc etc etc i can NOT be more clear, thats Ludacris. if you want to judge them by mistakes and failures thats fine but those statement's can not be more false.

I respectfully disagree with your statement that this ownership is "professional football people". This is my biggest beef with Jerry and the last 27 years. If you watch the clip I linked. I hope I did it right so it plays in the thread. But this clip is a 5 minute segment of Troy Aikman a Football Life. It speaks specifically to the relationship between Troy and Barry Switzer. In the clip Hansen is talking about the time Irvin took the guys out on the town in training camp and Troy was mad. Barry stopped practice 10 minutes in and said that the guys "were not into it today". I don't see how an owner of a professional football team allows that to happen under his watch. This is the culture that is established in Dallas. If I'm Jerry Jones and I own a business that is worth 10 billion dollars and I pay a hundred million or so for salaries for guys to work 6-9 months out of the year, then I'm going to make sure they work when their supposed to. Any CEO, Owners, Manager of anything does not allow their employees to not work because they are "not into today". That's not where he is failing. It's culture. It's very unprofessional to allow professional athletes to party all night and then get the next day off from practice cuz they're hungover. That sets a bad precedent and that precedence has not gone away. So to say Jerry is a "professional football people" in incorrect IMO. He's a football person but not a lot of professionalism is displayed and the results speak for themselves.

 

[Bobhaze]

Excellent post overall, and you would think most of it would be obvious. I just found this part funny. The part about research made me laugh. We don't need research to know a bear craps in the woods. Shouldn't this be obvious? I think they know this but do it anyway.

I hear you. I just found some of the stuff I’ve read about nepotism to be spot on and why it’s part of what has destroyed this team’s ability to compete for a championship. Here’s a link to one particular article:
https://blog.vantagecircle.com/nepotism-in-the-workplace/

 

[eromeopolk]

at this poi IDC thats not my point. People calling this ownership group and FO amateurs is a Joke..

Your are absolutely right. Jerry Jones and the Jones family are not amateurs. Since 1996, they are experts at show biz money making. They are experts on how Not to win championships or get in position for championships (NFC Conference game) with Pro Bowl players, Super Bowl winning coaches, and a Personnel department that has been the envy of NFL teams for the last decade.

Saying Jerry Dumbo GM Jones designed this team not to be profitable/valuable is asinine. The Arlington Jonesboys are the most profitable sports franchise in the world. The problem is the Dallas Cowboys were the most profitable sports franchise before Jerry Jones bought it. But, Dallas Cowboys became profitable by winning consistently, using innovations, and winning championships.

Arlington Jonesboys fans care about this team. Dallas Cowboys fans don't care about this team but care about what the Dallas Cowboys use to be to its fans. People can be Arlington Jonesboys fans for there reasons and people can be Dallas Cowboys fans for reason the Dallas Cowboys became...America's Team.

 

[john van brocklin]

Better yet print out and circulate in the star.

That would be epic!

 

[diamonddelts]

We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:

• Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.

• The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.

• Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.

• Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.

• Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.

• Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.

I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.

Why would Jerry change anything? The same suckers fill up the stadium each year and watch the games on TV weekly. He has no impetus to change and I don't blame him for it.

 

[plasticman]

I would like to add a few more truths:

Being both owner and GM is a conflict of interest.

Does he acquire a player based on his ability to increase the odds of the team winning a Super Bowl or will it be based on that player's popularity and ability to sell more tickets and merchandise?

Does he approach the preseason and training camp with the strategy of making the team better prepared to achieve their goals or is it based on increasing and widening the teams market? Keep in mind that, in the past, the Cowboys training schedule involved up to three different locations. Also, it should be clear that Jerry Jones has made every attempt to get his team into the Hall of Fame game which adds an additional game with the additional possibility of injuries.

Is Jerry Jones's focused solely on winning championships or is there an element of his football related decisions based on making more money? Do you think GM's around the league have priorities that supersede success on the field?

Being the GM of an NFL team is not a part time job.

When was the last time you heard an NFL GM discuss thee team's stadium as a venue for other forms of entertainment? It takes a great deal of dedication and commitment for a GM to be successful. Even then, the odds are against them. They have to have a special drive to throw themselves completely into the job, it is 24-7. A GM can't concentrate on building a winner and then split time with that by selling merchandise, getting overly involved with the media, and reserving the most important executive positions with family members

As Bobhaze stated, NFL franchises are not Mom and Pop operations with the children helping out after school. The owner owes it to the fans of the team to make the best possible choices for football related positions based on merit and credentials, not their DNA. A winning team must begin with dedicated experts and a specific plan on how to achieve success.

Originally, NFL franchises were never meant to be profitable.

They were owned by highly successful business owners as a way to give something back to the community and business patrons that were responsible for the success of these owner's real businesses. It was also a way to promote their real businesses. it was a collaboration between a city or region and that owner. To this day, the actual NFL offices are a tax free entity.

The Jones's price structure and predatory methods of selling season tickets have squeezed out those people for whom the NFL was originally created. Joe Fan can't afford to go to the games. He might get to go to one game and will pay a premium to bring his family. The NFL originally promised never to resort to pay TV for a single one of their games because they realized the importance of reaching all fans for whom that team is supposed to represent. Bragging about being the most profitable franchise is a straight up insult to the fans of that team and to the city or region they supposedly represent..

 

[Diehardblues]

I would like to add a few more truths:

Being both owner and GM is a conflict of interest.

Does he acquire a player based on his ability to increase the odds of the team winning a Super Bowl or will it be based on that player's popularity and ability to sell more tickets and merchandise?

Does he approach the preseason and training camp with the strategy of making the team better prepared to achieve their goals or is it based on increasing and widening the teams market? Keep in mind that, in the past, the Cowboys training schedule involved up to three different locations. Also, it should be clear that Jerry Jones has made every attempt to get his team into the Hall of Fame game which adds an additional game with the additional possibility of injuries.

Is Jerry Jones's focused solely on winning championships or is there an element of his football related decisions based on making more money? Do you think GM's around the league have priorities that supersede success on the field?

Being the GM of an NFL team is not a part time job.

When was the last time you heard an NFL GM discuss thee team's stadium as a venue for other forms of entertainment? It takes a great deal of dedication and commitment for a GM to be successful. Even then, the odds are against them. They have to have a special drive to throw themselves completely into the job, it is 24-7. A GM can't concentrate on building a winner and then split time with that by selling merchandise, getting overly involved with the media, and reserving the most important executive positions with family members

As Bobhaze stated, NFL franchises are not Mom and Pop operations with the children helping out after school. The owner owes it to the fans of the team to make the best possible choices for football related positions based on merit and credentials, not their DNA. A winning team must begin with dedicated experts and a specific plan on how to achieve success.

Originally, NFL franchises were never meant to be profitable.

They were owned by highly successful business owners as a way to give something back to the community and business patrons that were responsible for the success of these owner's real businesses. It was also a way to promote their real businesses. it was a collaboration between a city or region and that owner. To this day, the actual NFL offices are a tax free entity.

The Jones's price structure and predatory methods of selling season tickets have squeezed out those people for whom the NFL was originally created. Joe Fan can't afford to go to the games. He might get to go to one game and will pay a premium to bring his family. The NFL originally promised never to resort to pay TV for a single one of their games because they realized the importance of reaching all fans for whom that team is supposed to represent. Bragging about being the most profitable franchise is a straight up insult to the fans of that team and to the city or region they supposedly represent..

Well done!! It is a conflict of interest.

And I believe why he insist on holding both positions. Because the hype and promoting the brand is top priority.

It’s why it’s difficult to take our franchise serious anymore when it comes to football operations. it’s become purely an entertainment value.

 

[Jarntt]

We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:

• Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.

• The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.

• Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.

• Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.

• Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.

• Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.

I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.

That's a damn awesome post right there...