Some of the best WRs ever

[Doomsday101]

Be careful comparing running backs with wide receivers.

Emmitt may have been clock-watch slow, but he was always breaking long runs, and that against top teams in the SEC.

Jarrett scored many of his touchdowns in the redzone and by outmuscling, outjumping smaller DBs.

There's a difference between creating separation as a receiver and running away from faster defenders, as was the case with Emmitt Smith.

Jarrett did more than just that, aginst Mich he put up 205 yards and a pair of TD's including a 62 yarder. I would agree he is not the best WR in the draft but he is not a bad player.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Rice and Irvin both rans 4.6 40s coming out of college

 

[tyke1doe]

Jarrett did more than just that, aginst Mich he put up 205 yards and a pair of TD's including a 62 yarder. I would agree he is not the best WR in the draft but he is not a bad player.

I didn't say he didn't have any long plays. But many came in tight situations where separation wasn't as necessary. As for those two plays, I'll have to see who they were against and how they were executed before I pass judgment.

Granted, Jarrett may be the next Keyshawn Johnson. But I know the separation factor concerns some teams.

 

[joseephuss]

Rice and Irvin both rans 4.6 40s coming out of college

And the reality is not many teams held that against them. Rice was drafted #16 overall and Irvin #11 overall. The only reason they lasted that long is the teams in front of the 49ers and Cowboys during those drafts had other more glaring needs than wide receiver or liked other receivers a little better.

In the case of the Raiders and Packers in 1988, they got two very good receivers in Tim Brown(th) and Sterling Sharpe(7th), respectively.

In 1985 the Jets took Al Toon at #11 and the Bengals took Eddie Brown at #13. Both were good, not great recieves, but they each made a pro bowl.

Are any of those guys known as flat out fast guys? Tim Brown and Sterling Sharpe were all around receivers. I don't know if Toon or Eddie Brown were considered burners coming out of college.

Rice was probably knocked more for playing at a small school than his speed. He just did not face the top competion in school. I think the 40 time for him is brought up more now to build up his already legendary career.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And the reality is not many teams held that against them. Rice was drafted #16 overall and Irvin #11 overall. The only reason they lasted that long is the teams in front of the 49ers and Cowboys during those drafts had other more glaring needs than wide receiver or liked other receivers a little better.

In the case of the Raiders and Packers in 1988, they got two very good receivers in Tim Brown(th) and Sterling Sharpe(7th), respectively.

In 1985 the Jets took Al Toon at #11 and the Bengals took Eddie Brown at #13. Both were good, not great recieves, but they each made a pro bowl.

Are any of those guys known as flat out fast guys? Tim Brown and Sterling Sharpe were all around receivers. I don't know if Toon or Eddie Brown were considered burners coming out of college.

Rice was probably knocked more for playing at a small school than his speed. He just did not face the top competion in school. I think the 40 time for him is brought up more now to build up his already legendary career.

Both Brown and Sharp were fast guys. Toon was a long strider as I recall. Terrific 100 and 200 speed but I don't remember him being rediculously fast. Eddie Brown, I don't remember what his deal was coming out.

 

[The30YardSlant]

And the reality is not many teams held that against them. Rice was drafted #16 overall and Irvin #11 overall. The only reason they lasted that long is the teams in front of the 49ers and Cowboys during those drafts had other more glaring needs than wide receiver or liked other receivers a little better.

In the case of the Raiders and Packers in 1988, they got two very good receivers in Tim Brown(th) and Sterling Sharpe(7th), respectively.

In 1985 the Jets took Al Toon at #11 and the Bengals took Eddie Brown at #13. Both were good, not great recieves, but they each made a pro bowl.

Are any of those guys known as flat out fast guys? Tim Brown and Sterling Sharpe were all around receivers. I don't know if Toon or Eddie Brown were considered burners coming out of college.

Rice was probably knocked more for playing at a small school than his speed. He just did not face the top competion in school. I think the 40 time for him is brought up more now to build up his already legendary career.

Sterling Sharpe was pretty damn fast

 

[joseephuss]

Sterling Sharpe was pretty damn fast

That is probably what separated him from Irvin. They both were all around receivers with Sterling being faster. I knew he and Tim were both fast, but I was curious as to their 40 times. I am thinking 4.4 or 4.5. I can't find anything on that. I just remember Sharpe, Brown, Rice and Irvin always getting separation whether it was in college or the pros. I didn't need a stop watch to tell me they were fast enough for the NFL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That is probably what separated him from Irvin. They both were all around receivers with Sterling being faster. I knew he and Tim were both fast, but I was curious as to their 40 times. I am thinking 4.4 or 4.5. I can't find anything on that. I just remember Sharpe, Brown, Rice and Irvin always getting separation whether it was in college or the pros. I didn't need a stop watch to tell me they were fast enough for the NFL.

Sharpe ran a high 4.4 I think, like 4.48 or something, but his 10 yard dash time was one of the best ever if I remember correctly. He had a great first step, and he also had good upper body strength

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That's how I remember it, ABQ. Tim Brown was very, very fast. Toon was more a big guy and IIRC a very good long jumper, so a good athlete, but without great speed -- kind of like Alvin Harper. Eddie Brown I think was maybe the next best all-around athlete after Tim Brown.

BTW, no one ever said you just line guys up, have them race, and then draft them in the order of finish. But no one has answered my question on the top 10 WRs today. Sure, there's some debate on who they are, but I'd say they go something like (in no particular order):

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Roy Williams
Santana Moss
Hines Ward
Lee Evans
Andre Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Terrell Owens

Others are Boldin, Fitzgerald, Donald Driver, etc.

How many of those don't have excellent speed? I'd say Ward and maybe Harrison -- definitely Fitz and Boldin. So some of them are bigger, but only a small percentage have average speed.

Anyway, it's an old debate, but I think speed is huge.

 

[neosapien23]

I'll say it again, there are some positions in which a speed is not overrated. Yes a reciever can get away with limited speed if he runs crisp routes but can anyone name a CB that was good despite being slow. Jarret might be able to be a good WR but no way someone with his speed could play CB or even FS at a high level.

 

[joseephuss]

I'll say it again, there are some positions in which a speed is not overrated. Yes a reciever can get away with limited speed if he runs crisp routes but can anyone name a CB that was good despite being slow. Jarret might be able to be a good WR but no way someone with his speed could play CB or even FS at a high level.

Everson Walls was not fast. He is an exception. I agree that DBs need to be much better athletes than receivers to get by. Of course they need to be smart and use good technique as well, but their position really demands a good athlete with good speed. Pretty much any great skill position player(hall of famer) is a well rounded athlete. Very few had glaring holes in their games.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Out of that list, Tim Brown was probably the fastest.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

That's how I remember it, ABQ. Tim Brown was very, very fast. Toon was more a big guy and IIRC a very good long jumper, so a good athlete, but without great speed -- kind of like Alvin Harper. Eddie Brown I think was maybe the next best all-around athlete after Tim Brown.

BTW, no one ever said you just line guys up, have them race, and then draft them in the order of finish. But no one has answered my question on the top 10 WRs today. Sure, there's some debate on who they are, but I'd say they go something like (in no particular order):

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Roy Williams
Santana Moss
Hines Ward
Lee Evans
Andre Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Terrell Owens


Others are Boldin, Fitzgerald, Donald Driver, etc.

How many of those don't have excellent speed? I'd say Ward and maybe Harrison -- definitely Fitz and Boldin. So some of them are bigger, but only a small percentage have average speed.

Anyway, it's an old debate, but I think speed is huge.

Hines Ward shouldn't be on that list. He did abuse Deangelo Hall but he's not even close to a burner. Just a crafty , relentless WR.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

How fast was Mike Williams, the last big USC receiver?

What was his 40 time again?

If we wanted 'Chariots of Fire' speed, we should have kept Keyshawn.

Mike Williams at his private workout ran a 4.56 at 228 pounds. He was measured at 6 '4 5/8 .Dwayne Jarrett is a Mike Williams clone.

He will probably run similar. Jarrett did nothing that Williams didnt do in College. Williams caught 30 TD's in 2 years. Jarrett's best was 29 in a 2 year span.

They are essentially the same height with same speed.

Almost Keyshawn clone's as well without the hands.

 

[jay cee]

Mike Williams at his private workout ran a 4.56 at 228 pounds. He was measured at 6 '4 5/8 .Dwayne Jarrett is a Mike Williams clone.

He will probably run similar. Jarrett did nothing that Williams didnt do in College. Williams caught 30 TD's in 2 years. Jarrett's best was 29 in a 2 year span.

They are essentially the same height with same speed.

Almost Keyshawn clone's as well without the hands.

So it would seem that their problem is not a lack of speed, but a lack of elite WR ability.