Some possible undrafted defensive prospects to look at...

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Hos made what I think is a really good point in his "Latin" thread, that being the Boys ought to focus on the offense in this year's draft... I agree with him completely, but at the same time, you don't want to be entirely stagnant in your personnel on the defensive side of the ball... you want to at least bring in a little competition...

With that in mind, and having just worked my way through the defensive prospects on NFL Draft Scout's website, I have come up with a list of players who might go undrafted, but might be worth an offer to come to training camp... here's what I've come up with:

DEFENSIVE LINE

Doug Worthington, DE, Ohio State... 6-5, 286 pounds, 4.9 second 40... the 296th rated player by NFLDS... showed steady improvement throughout his college career, his best ball may be ahead of him... though he was a DT for Ohio State, his NFL future might lie as a 3-4 DE... had 42 tackles as a senior...

Jay Ross, NT, East Carolina... 6-3, 315 pounds, 5.1 second 40... rated 305th by NFLDS... was the anchor of a pretty fair ECU rush defense...

Sean Lissemore, DE/DT, William & Mary... 6-3, 297 pounds, 4.75 second 40... rated 403rd by NFLDS... great speed for a player that size...

Tommie Duhart, NT, Valdosta State... 6-3, 330 pounds, 5.1 second 40... rated 483rd by NFLDS... if nothing else, might make an interesting conversion project to OL...

Kade Weston, NT, Georgia... 6-5, 325 pounds, 5.2 second 40... rated 542nd by NFLDS... started his college career strong, then seemed to regress... perhaps he needs to have a fire lit under him, perhaps he would be better off moving to the OL too... the potential he showed as a redshirt freshman might merit a close look...

DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma... 6-2, 325 pounds, 5.05 second 40... rated 601st by NFLDS... IF he checks out medically (which is a big "if", he suffered serious injuries his last 2 seasons, including a back injury), he might be a free agent steal... he was looking really good before all those injuries... the problem is, if he does check out medically, some team might grab him late in the draft...

LINEBACKERS

Danny Batten, OLB, South Dakota State... 6-3, 250, 4.65 second 40... rated 249th by NFLDS... might be drafted, might not... played DE in college, will move to OLB in the pros... in his last 2 seasons, he had 160 tackles, 31.5 tackles for loss and 17 sacks... also played some ILB at the Texas Vs. the Nation bowl game, and looked good there...

Arthur Moats, OLB/ILB, James Madison... 6-0, 245 pounds, 4.55 second 40... rated 333rd by NFLDS... a bit of a homer call here, I live about 20 minutes from JMU and follow their program... won the Buck Buchanan Award as the top defensive player in FCS this year... had 90 tackles as a senior, 23.5 tackles for loss (tops in FCS), and 11 sacks... can't quite figure out why he's not higher rated by most scouts, unless it's his height...

Tim Knicky, OLB/DE, Stephen F. Austin... 6-4, 245 pounds, 4.6 second 40... ranked 360th by NFLDS... had 41 tackles, 15 for loss, and 12.5 sacks as a senior...

Joe Pawelek, ILB/OLB/FB, Baylor... 6-2, 235 pounds, 4.75 second 40... ranked 368th by NFLDS... what caught my attention here is that NFLDS thinks he might be able to play FB in the NFL; could he be a budding Robert Thomas?? He's had 422 tackles in his college career, and most impressive, 9 career ints... he looks like he might make a nice cover 'backer, though he doesn't have top speed (coaches say he "plays fast")...

Larry Hart, OLB/ILB, Central Arkansas... 6-0, 245 pounds, 4.55 second 40... 401st rated by NFLDS... a very similar player to Moats... in his last 2 seasons, he had 31 tackles for loss, 23 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 3 blocked kicks... simply put, he's a playmaker...

Jarvis Geathers, OLB/DE, Central Florida... 6-2, 240 pounds, 4.6 second 40... rated 422nd by NFLDS... the son of former NFL DE James "Jumpy" Geathers, and a cousin of DE prospect Clifton Geathers, a favorite of many on this forum... Jarvis had 13.5 tackles for loss and 11 sacks in 2009...

DEFENSIVE BACKS

Rafael Priest, CB, TCU... 5-10, 180 pounds, 4.45 second 40... rated 347th by NFLDS (frankly, I think that's a bit low, and wouldn't be surprised if Priest was drafted in the late rounds)... he's small, but he's a hell of a cover man; he posted 36 pass breakups in 51 games played, doubly impressive when you consider that by his senior season, opposing QBs were staying away from him for the most part...

Shann Schillinger, FS, Montana... 6-0, 200 pounds, 4.4 second 40... rated 388th best by NFLDS... has 249 career tackles and 10 career ints, including over 90 tackles and 4 ints as a senior...

Cornelius Brown, CB/FS, UTEP... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.4 second 40... rated 465th by NFLDS... I'll admit, this is a pure homer pick, I once attended UTEP and still follow the Miners... I don't get to see them much on TV, but the few opportunities I had this year, it seemed like Brown was always making a play on special teams... he did it again in the Texas Vs. the Nation game, downing a punt inside the 3 yard line, and he also returned a fumble 35 yards for a TD, winning the MVP award for the game... he's only marginal as a cornerback (UTEP's defense was quite awful in 09), but I think he'd be better off in a free safety, centerfield role, and I think he'd be a good special teamer... but of course, I'm biased...

So, there's 15 rookie defensive prospects, only 1 rated in the 295 by NFLDS (Batten), at least 12 of whom will go undrafted... if I was the Boys, I'd have scouts waiting with contracts in hand for several of them...
 

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Bob Sacamano;3294748 said:
How about we focus on draftable prospects instead?

Perhaps you missed the part where I wrote that the Boys ought to focus on offensive prospects in the draft...

And if you don't mind, I'll focus on whatever the hell I want to focus on, thank you very much... if you don't like the thread, you're cordially invited to stay out of it...

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I bet Moats gets drafted before round 7.

(Caveat: I live about five minutes from JMU and I DON'T follow their progress.) :D
 

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Bob Sacamano;3294748 said:
How about we focus on draftable prospects instead?
I believe Ross and Priest get drafted actually.
 

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Raphael Priest is one of my pet cats. I hope we draft him. He has a knack for the ball.
 

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Bear, you missed S Eddie Hicks of Southern Mississippi. I am running late for work so I cannot post his info, but if you go look him up, I think you will be interested in him.

I have him on my UDFA wishlist for sure. It helps that SoMiss is known for playing quality defense.
 

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silverbear;3294768 said:
And if you don't mind, I'll focus on whatever the hell I want to focus on, thank you very much... if you don't like the thread, you're cordially invited to stay out of it...

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Alexander;3294844 said:
I believe Ross and Priest get drafted actually.

It's entirely possible that 2 or 3 of these prospects will get drafted... but I have to go with somebody's rating system, and over the last coupla years, I've found NFLDS to be pretty good, perhaps the best...

I think I even mentioned that IMO, they have Priest rated too low...
 

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Hostile;3294879 said:
Raphael Priest is one of my pet cats. I hope we draft him. He has a knack for the ball.

Maybe with the extra 7th round pick we'll get when somebody screws up and signs McQuistan... :D
 

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Biggems;3294883 said:
Bear, you missed S Eddie Hicks of Southern Mississippi. I am running late for work so I cannot post his info, but if you go look him up, I think you will be interested in him.

I have him on my UDFA wishlist for sure. It helps that SoMiss is known for playing quality defense.

I like the 13 career ints, but he's awfully skinny for a safety... if he can add 15 pounds or so without losing his speed and quickness, he'd be worth a look...
 

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Bob Sacamano;3294748 said:
How about we focus on draftable prospects instead?


yeah, why dont you do that so we can have a intelligent conversation at some point. Get back to us when you catch up.
 

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Nice list, Bear. Good calls on Grainger and Pawlelek... Though from a post CJ made yesterday, we didn't send a scout to Baylor's Pro Day yesterday. Kind of curious because he sounds like a good, tough, all-around ILB. I was trying to check if we could get guys from within 100 miles to Dallas Day, but I couldn't find any official distances. I don't think Waco would count because even though it's barely inside 100 miles, Waco isn't part of the "metro" area. Of course we could always send a scout an hour and a half down I-35 to work him out.

As I've said before, I like the players who can stand out on overmatched programs in big-time conferences.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3296766 said:
Nice list, Bear. Good calls on Grainger and Pawlelek... Though from a post CJ made yesterday, we didn't send a scout to Baylor's Pro Day yesterday. Kind of curious because he sounds like a good, tough, all-around ILB. I was trying to check if we could get guys from within 100 miles to Dallas Day, but I couldn't find any official distances. I don't think Waco would count because even though it's barely inside 100 miles, Waco isn't part of the "metro" area. Of course we could always send a scout an hour and a half down I-35 to work him out.

As I've said before, I like the players who can stand out on overmatched programs in big-time conferences.

I'd imagine that we probably know what Baylor has already. It's not but maybe a hundred miles or so. At least, I hope we know.
 

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SDogo;3296449 said:
yeah, why dont you do that so we can have a intelligent conversation at some point. Get back to us when you catch up.

:laugh2:Still butt-hurt?
 

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Trindon Holliday of LSU is a guy who may have a shot as a late rd pick but chances are will be an UDFA

Strenght
Track star with blinding straight-line speed. Explosive player who only needs a little seam to break a big return. Reads the ball quickly in the air and gets underneath it fast. Waits for his blockers to engage and finds running lanes. Fluid through the hips and makes people miss in space.

Weakness
Holliday is very short at under 5-feet-6 and does not have the bulk to break tackles at the next level. Starts too fast and does not show the ability to hold an extra gear for the end of the return. Lacks the awareness and route-running ability to be a factor in the passing game.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3296814 said:
:laugh2:Still butt-hurt?

yeah, if that's what makes you feel better.
 
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