Some pre camp thoughts

[darthseinfeld]

Didn’t they have Blue doing some returns in mini? Has blue ever done returns? That’s a way he could make an impact if he can do it

He returned 3 kicks at Texas

 

[KingCorcoran]

I don't think Turpin is going to be suspended why would he Most of these infractions especially if it's your first time he'll get fined and put on some kind of excessive testing for marijuana like he'll be tested more than most because they're not really testing for it but because he did this he'll be on some kind of list...

Let's just use our own sam Williams got pulled over for something similar but also had a reckless driving charge and he was suspended for the alleged gambling thing already once and he only got three games....

I think once his lawyer gets to this Turpin will end up having some of these charges lowered and it won't be that big a deal and he won't get suspended and if and if so it's one game and by the way that's not opening up for Mingo you guys are just way trying to oversell this because you're hoping Jerry didn't waste the 4th round pick they might need to keep Deuce Vaughn if this happens but if it's one game you're trying to tell me one game we had to worry about the return game and our 4th wide receiver no Tolbert would take over those snaps because they're his anyway I mean you're overselling Turpin as a wide receiver for a few games at most..

What we really need to worry about who's going to be the returner? That would be something you could dig into the only person I know that could offer up the same type of weapon as a returner right now on our team is Vaughn....

But I think you're posting in the negative you're assuming all the negativity that you stated up there about our run stoppers on the edge about our veteran running backs this is all hyperbole and yes corner probably the only thing I agree with on there..

I mean literally this is all from your negative viewpoint because I don't agree with most of that almost none of it I think Murray is going to be better than you think at linebacker and I don't have time to sit here and breakdown your whole post but I disagree with most of it....

Testing for THC and potential penalties has already been established in agreement with the NFLPA. Turpin cannot be “put on some kind of excessive testing for marijuana”. Players can only even be tested for THC between the first day of training camp and the first preseason game. And they cannot be suspended for marijuana use.

Turpin need only deal with his most recent legal issues. Hardly likely to be suspended based on what the public knows at this time.

 

[Havic]

I think Mingo will be involved with or without the suspension of Turpin.
If he is suspended, can Blue return kicks and punts?

For someone who has never played the position, Cooper being average in year 1 is amazing. I'd look for continued growth at the position from him and he has some additional help now.

Kneeland will get significant time, agreed.

Blue will be RBC and will not be the featured back in my opinion.

Liufau needs to show up big time, as well as the Lbers / Db's we signed. We could have some serious depth issues if they do not.

 

[gimmesix]

- For better or worse, I believe you will see alot of Marshawn Kneeland this year. He is the only edge defender on our roster right now with plus run defender potential. Our FA additions Turner and Thomas are awful run defenders. Ezeiruaku doesn't really have the build to be a run defender. Sam Williams is from the Robert Quinn School of Defensive End'ing. I believe this will put Kneeland on the field a significant amount

I don't know why Payton Turner hasn't been a better run defender than he has been as a pro. He's got the frame for it and is not bad as a power player. He's my surprise pick to do better at end than expected if Eberflus has a specific role in mind for him. At this point, I think it is safe to say he's not a pass rusher on this level. He just hasn't got enough speed and bend for it. I think he could be a base left end, though, keeping us from having to use Parsons in those situations or perhaps even allowing us to play Parsons at linebacker when we use three LBs. That won't be often because Eberflus plays a lot of nickel from what I've read.

I could also see us playing Thomas some at end if Turner can't stop the run. You are right that Thomas is a poor run defender at defensive tackle, but he could be fair better at it at end.

 

[fivetwos]

I don't know why Payton Turner hasn't been a better run defender than he has been as a pro. He's got the frame for it and is not bad as a power player. He's my surprise pick to do better at end than expected if Eberflus has a specific role in mind for him. At this point, I think it is safe to say he's not a pass rusher on this level. He just hasn't got enough speed and bend for it. I think he could be a base left end, though, keeping us from having to use Parsons in those situations or perhaps even allowing us to play Parsons at linebacker when we use three LBs. That won't be often because Eberflus plays a lot of nickel from what I've read.

I could also see us playing Thomas some at end if Turner can't stop the run. You are right that Thomas is a poor run defender at defensive tackle, but he could be fair better at it at end.

My theory in general, not about him at all because I couldn’t know….is that when some of these young players get their hands on life changing money right away….they stop working hard….at a time when they need to work harder than ever.

 

[gimmesix]

My theory in general, not about him at all because I couldn’t know….is that when some of these young players get their hands on life changing money right away….they stop working hard….at a time when they need to work harder than ever.

That may be true. To some extent with him, I think he was billed for me than he could deliver. He's a bit like Taco Charlton in that he shouldn't have been a first-round draft choice because he didn't have the traits for it as a pass rusher. And he might ultimately fare like Charlton and wash out. His best hope is to re-craft himself as a run defender.

A player like him needs to study someone like DeMarcus Lawrence. Lawrence also lacked (lacks) elite pass-rushing traits, but he worked hard on his body and on his technique to turn himself into a first-rate run-defending end. I would spend endless hours studying his moves and the moves of others who are similar in movement skills.

 

[Chasing6]

I don't think Turpin is going to be suspended why would he Most of these infractions especially if it's your first time he'll get fined and put on some kind of excessive testing for marijuana like he'll be tested more than most because they're not really testing for it but because he did this he'll be on some kind of list...

Let's just use our own sam Williams got pulled over for something similar but also had a reckless driving charge and he was suspended for the alleged gambling thing already once and he only got three games....

I think once his lawyer gets to this Turpin will end up having some of these charges lowered and it won't be that big a deal and he won't get suspended and if and if so it's one game and by the way that's not opening up for Mingo you guys are just way trying to oversell this because you're hoping Jerry didn't waste the 4th round pick they might need to keep Deuce Vaughn if this happens but if it's one game you're trying to tell me one game we had to worry about the return game and our 4th wide receiver no Tolbert would take over those snaps because they're his anyway I mean you're overselling Turpin as a wide receiver for a few games at most..

What we really need to worry about who's going to be the returner? That would be something you could dig into the only person I know that could offer up the same type of weapon as a returner right now on our team is Vaughn....

But I think you're posting in the negative you're assuming all the negativity that you stated up there about our run stoppers on the edge about our veteran running backs this is all hyperbole and yes corner probably the only thing I agree with on there..

I mean literally this is all from your negative viewpoint because I don't agree with most of that almost none of it I think Murray is going to be better than you think at linebacker and I don't have time to sit here and breakdown your whole post but I disagree with most of it....

Blue could do it if he needed to.

 

[Bobhaze]

The running back room is terrible. Thats why Blue is your featured back of he can hold onto the ball

And I can’t see Blue getting more than 8-10 touches a game. He never did much more than that at UT.

Blue is a weapon for sure but he’s best in smaller doses. At least based on how he’s been used in college. And he has had fumble problems at times. That will be something to watch at the next level.

 

[visionary]

Weaknesses entering off season:

QB
DT
RB
LB
Run defense

Weaknesses after off season:

QB
DT
RB
LB
Run defense

 

[DuncanIso]

- With a suspension of Turpin possible, Mingo could have more opportunities than expected. With Turpin available, Mingo is more of a niche or depth player. If Turpin has to sit games, Mingo will likely see get consistent snaps in 10 personel. Turpin had 315 offensive snaps last season

- I think Cooper Beebe's growth is the from having a potentially very good interior OL to a potentially dominate interior OL. Beebe's performance last year was about league average for Centers, which for a rookie is very strong (PFF actually graded higher than Graham Barton). Even with the big addition of Booker, I think the big difference between very good to dominant is the difference between Beebe maintaining league average play and Beebe becoming a Pro Bowl caliber Center

- For better or worse, I believe you will see alot of Marshawn Kneeland this year. He is the only edge defender on our roster right now with plus run defender potential. Our FA additions Turner and Thomas are awful run defenders. Ezeiruaku doesn't really have the build to be a run defender. Sam Williams is from the Robert Quinn School of Defensive End'ing. I believe this will put Kneeland on the field a significant amount

- If Jaydon Blue holds on to the ball, he is our featured back. Offseason puff peices aside, Williams and Sanders are not good running backs. I wouldn't rule out neither being on the 54.

- I think Liufau is our hope at LB. He showed promise as a rookie, is a film junkie, and could really benefit from Eberflus coaching. I also really hope James has a great camp and preseason because I dont want to see Kenneth Murray on the field.

-The FA pool is still pretty deep at CB. I just hope of they call someone, its not Gilmore. Kendall Fuller would be my choice. He has played both slot and boundry extensively, although he has played boundary the most the past few years. Hilton would be my choice if the want a pure slot

Mingo is for real.

Check out his draft profile.

 

[DuncanIso]

And I can’t see Blue getting more than 8-10 touches a game. He never did much more than that at UT.

Blue is a weapon for sure but he’s best in smaller doses. At least based on how he’s been used in college. And he has had fumble problems at times. That will be something to watch at the next level.

He has small hands.

Maybe they can fix with gloves.

 

[jazzcat22]

Sanborn is what he is. An adequate reserve LB. Bears didn't even tender him

Does not really mean anything.
New coaching staff. They may have their own ideas, want to go their own direction. So let players leave.

 

[quickccc]

- With a suspension of Turpin possible, Mingo could have more opportunities than expected. With Turpin available, Mingo is more of a niche or depth player. If Turpin has to sit games, Mingo will likely see get consistent snaps in 10 personel. Turpin had 315 offensive snaps last season

- I think Cooper Beebe's growth is the from having a potentially very good interior OL to a potentially dominate interior OL. Beebe's performance last year was about league average for Centers, which for a rookie is very strong (PFF actually graded higher than Graham Barton). Even with the big addition of Booker, I think the big difference between very good to dominant is the difference between Beebe maintaining league average play and Beebe becoming a Pro Bowl caliber Center

- For better or worse, I believe you will see alot of Marshawn Kneeland this year. He is the only edge defender on our roster right now with plus run defender potential. Our FA additions Turner and Thomas are awful run defenders. Ezeiruaku doesn't really have the build to be a run defender. Sam Williams is from the Robert Quinn School of Defensive End'ing. I believe this will put Kneeland on the field a significant amount

- If Jaydon Blue holds on to the ball, he is our featured back. Offseason puff peices aside, Williams and Sanders are not good running backs. I wouldn't rule out neither being on the 54.

- I think Liufau is our hope at LB. He showed promise as a rookie, is a film junkie, and could really benefit from Eberflus coaching. I also really hope James has a great camp and preseason because I dont want to see Kenneth Murray on the field.

-The FA pool is still pretty deep at CB. I just hope of they call someone, its not Gilmore. Kendall Fuller would be my choice. He has played both slot and boundry extensively, although he has played boundary the most the past few years. Hilton would be my choice if the want a pure slot

- We should being preparing a temporary replacement for Turpin - in the punt return game .. who else on the 53 man rosteer is capable of punt reurns ?
Plus we should've already prepared & penciled in a emergency punt returner , ..in case a Turpin were somehow injured ..

- Because i have major questions with the past OL coach per " sorry" Solari, i can't help but look pass any misgivings from rookie Beebe,. It's a new ba;ll game now with Clayton & Riley at the OL unit. i have to trust the entire OL will be in much better hands than the previous regime. It's still gonna be a treat to see the NFLs' biggest center (at 335 lbs officially !!) man the pivot spot. The rookie game experience was a help by itself.

- i dunno much about vet newcomer DE Ray Turner, and Kneeland maybe more suited for run defense. so i could see one of the those two starting .
Problem is also .. neither are noted pass-rushers

I'm s very hoping Kneeland improves greatly in this pass rush area.

- i'm worried that Sam Williams has missed key development time in 2024 that has stunt his growth. at this point, He may bettter suited as situtional/rotational rush
than a full time starter despite being 260 plus lbs. Plus has he shown the discipline and consistency to be a full time starter ?

 

[jazzcat22]

He has small hands.

Maybe they can fix with gloves.

So?
It is not like he is out their running only holding the ball in one hand.
Tuck it in, hold tight to body. Use arm strength to secure it better. Like all RB's should do, and have done.

 

[Reid1boys]

I dont see Turpin getting suspended over this. Rice was playing bumper cars on a freeway, injured people, got up out of his car and walked away and left the scene. Hes yet to miss a minute of anything.

 

[jazzcat22]

- We should being preparing a temporary replacement for Turpin - in the punt return game .. who else on the 53 man rosteer is capable of punt reurns ?
Plus we should've already prepared & penciled in a emergency punt returner , ..in case a Turpin were somehow injured ..

I think they were working Blue as a returner some during OTA'a and mini camp.

Deuce maybe? If Turpin is suspended, that may be the only way he makes the 53.
Paris Campbell. I think he returned some punts at Ohio State, can't remember for sure. Could keep him for that, same as Deuce, a way to stick on the 53.

 

[jazzcat22]

I dont see Turpin getting suspended over this. Rice was playing bumper cars on a freeway, injured people, got up out of his car and walked away and left the scene. Hes yet to miss a minute of anything.

There is a difference. One plays for the Dallas Cowboys. The other one does not.

 

[quickccc]

- If Jaydon Blue holds on to the ball, he is our featured back. Offseason puff peices aside, Williams and Sanders are not good running backs. I wouldn't rule out neither being on the 54.

- i think Jaylen will also have to prove himself as at least adequate pass blocker .. that's an area even Pollard had to prove & did improve during his experiene here.
and if i'm an opposing DC, .and i'm seeing a poor blitz blocker, i'm constantly seeing a blitzer at Blue all game long ..until he proves he can block.

Sometimes that's one of the areas & keys that separates the difference between starter vs change of pace roles..

- Despite being vets, i would think the coaches will want a nice length of observatiion to Williams & Sanders entire summer.-play ..especially in preseason action .
I still don't like the idea of pursuing very cheap, questionable vet RBs on the decline, vs the more credible available free agent RBs that could have helped more.
i would rather Blue worked his way up to RB1, ..instead of being forced into RB 1 simply becuz of our misgivings in questionable vet RBs we brought in.

 

[quickccc]

I think they were working Blue as a returner some during OTA'a and mini camp.

Deuce maybe? If Turpin is suspended, that may be the only way he makes the 53.
Paris Campbell. I think he returned some punts at Ohio State, can't remember for sure. Could keep him for that, same as Deuce, a way to stick on the 53.

Punt returner .. or kick returner ? There's a big difference.

Also we'd be talking about a guy (Blue) that has to learn how to punt return .. that's also a big difference.
We can't be having poor ball handling, muffing punts, poor decisions and turnovers when it comes to handling punts.

Deuce is not a punt returner. Bones had him trying to learn PR becuz he needed to add special teams to his resume in helping him make the 53 roster.
Notice how Deuce's name is very rarely , (if even that) brought up any more in the projected 53 roster plans by media or fans ...

If we're keeping Campbell, or a Jalen Cropper (and that should be beyond just a mere Turpin suspension) that will immediately change the projected roster count at WR.
We then could be keeping as many as 7 WRs .. with lamb, pickens, turpin, tolbert, Mingo (Flournoy ?) and Campbell or Cropper

Campbell has past NFL experience as a PR,.. while Cropper has yet to even make a 53 man roster.

 

[gtb1943]

I don't think Turpin is going to be suspended why would he Most of these infractions especially if it's your first time he'll get fined and put on some kind of excessive testing for marijuana like he'll be tested more than most because they're not really testing for it but because he did this he'll be on some kind of list...

Let's just use our own sam Williams got pulled over for something similar but also had a reckless driving charge and he was suspended for the alleged gambling thing already once and he only got three games....

I think once his lawyer gets to this Turpin will end up having some of these charges lowered and it won't be that big a deal and he won't get suspended and if and if so it's one game and by the way that's not opening up for Mingo you guys are just way trying to oversell this because you're hoping Jerry didn't waste the 4th round pick they might need to keep Deuce Vaughn if this happens but if it's one game you're trying to tell me one game we had to worry about the return game and our 4th wide receiver no Tolbert would take over those snaps because they're his anyway I mean you're overselling Turpin as a wide receiver for a few games at most..

What we really need to worry about who's going to be the returner? That would be something you could dig into the only person I know that could offer up the same type of weapon as a returner right now on our team is Vaughn....

But I think you're posting in the negative you're assuming all the negativity that you stated up there about our run stoppers on the edge about our veteran running backs this is all hyperbole and yes corner probably the only thing I agree with on there..

I mean literally this is all from your negative viewpoint because I don't agree with most of that almost none of it I think Murray is going to be better than you think at linebacker and I don't have time to sit here and breakdown your whole post but I disagree with most of it....

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