Some quotes that are good for a laugh

[superpunk]

I am not denying the Cowboys are not a talented team. They had a good year last year. However there are some on here that have stated the Skins have "no talent," which is ludicrous. And besides, it's the offseason -- what else are we going to do?

Here's another fun fact -- very few teams who make a 4-or-more-win jump in one season -- like both the Commanders (5-11 to 9-7) and Cowboys did last year (9-7 to 13-3) -- come close to repeating that success -- some fail utterly and miss the playoffs entirely incl. the 2004 Cowboys (fell from 10-6 to 6-10) 2006 Commanders (fell from 10-6 to 5-11), and the Saints last year (fell from 10-6 to 7-9). Such is life in todays NFL -- it leaves everything open to questioning and debate.

Those were teams that caught lightning in a bottle. For the Cowboys, they had a ridiculously easy schedule and a paper tiger defense that was exposed. The Commanders had a similar fall, and could do the same thing this season after their lightning in a bottle experiment from last season. In fact, I would pretty much expect it given their talent-level coupled with the new regime. These things take time, and this is alot of change for Washington. Dallas, OTOH, has been building towards this for awhile. The teams you mentioned went from losing records to winning - not so with Dallas. You can expect them to suffer a similar fall - I certainly don't expect them to win 13 games again - but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

This isn't a team that caught the league by surprise and skated by on an easy schedule. This is an enormously talented team that has been building toward this for 4 years. There's no lightning in a bottle here, nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Commanders will be - this is a fantastically talented team finally playing to their talent level. You can expect that to continue for some time - and you should.

 

[Sonny#9]

You can expect them to suffer a similar fall - I certainly don't expect them to win 13 games again - but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Here's a question for you -- what happens if TO goes down?

...nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Commanders will be.

A little early for predictions don't you think?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Jerry broke?

"That's a good one." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

And lemme guess, Bubba completely went along with it.

For a guy that's so broke, I'm amazed he was able to give Barber and Newman new contracts.

I'm starting to believe that tr1 may be Skip Bayless.





YAKUZA

 

[superpunk]

Here's a question for you -- what happens if TO goes down?

This is a stupid question. What happens if Peyton goes down? Romo? Brady? Moss?

Injuries change things. We're not talking about hypothetical injury-fairy-land magical scenarios, though - are we? We're talking about how talented teams are, and how that lends to consistent winning.

Obviously injuries change your expectations. Do you have any other startling revelations you'd like to share with the rest of us?

A little early for predictions don't you think?

I clearly showed how the scenarios were different. This was a winning (playoff) team that simply won more. Nothing like a team that catches fire at season's end only to suffer a predictable fall back to normalcy the following season.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Here's another fun fact -- very few teams who make a 4-or-more-win jump in one season -- like both the Commanders (5-11 to 9-7) and Cowboys did last year (9-7 to 13-3) -- come close to repeating that success -- some fail utterly and miss the playoffs entirely incl. the 2004 Cowboys (fell from 10-6 to 6-10) 2006 Commanders (fell from 10-6 to 5-11), and the Saints last year (fell from 10-6 to 7-9). Such is life in todays NFL -- it leaves everything open to questioning and debate.

It's a bit of a convoluted argument. Yes, those teams did improve by 4 wins, but in these cases you just mentioned they were far from a 13-3 record. They also didn't have records similar to 18-14 the two seasons prior. Meaning that in 2005 and 2006 the Cowboys were a pretty good, playoff caliber team that turned into a great team (at least a great team for the regular season). These other teams were mediocre teams to begin with that had the jump to one good year (which was 1 win better than Dallas' 2005 & 2006 seasons).

This ain't even the 2006 Ravens who went 13-3 that season as the Ravens went 15-17 the two seasons prior. Dallas is probably more in line with Chargers who made a 5 game jump from 2005 to 2006 (going 14-2 in '06) as the Chargers went 21-11 in '04 & '05.

And of course it's completely plausible to have a dip in wins after a 13 win season because it's just plain tough to win 13 games two years in a row. If you look at the teams that have the dip in wins, it's usually due to an injured starting Quarterback or just a plethora of injuries to the entire team. Anything can happen, but if Romo stays healthy I like Dallas' chances. And I'd say the same about any team that had posted a similar record to Dallas' from 2005-2007.



YAKUZA

 

[Sonny#9]

Do you have any other startling revelations you'd like to share with the rest of us?

Clearly, you do:

nothing like the 2006 or 2008 Commanders will be

So how will the 2008 Commanders be?

[/quote]I clearly showed how the scenarios were different. This was a winning (playoff) team that simply won more. Nothing like a team that catches fire at season's end only to suffer a predictable fall back to normalcy the following season.[/quote]

Actually, this was winning REGULAR SEASON team, if you want to get technical.

 

[Sonny#9]

it's usually due to an injured starting Quarterback or just a plethora of injuries to the entire team. Anything can happen

That's the real trick there isn't it?

but if Romo stays healthy I like Dallas' chances. And I'd say the same about any team that had posted a similar record to Dallas' from 2005-2007.

I'd say it's just as important -- if not more-so -- that TO stay healthy.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'd say it's just as important -- if not more-so -- that TO stay healthy.

Perhaps. But I don't think history shows that with WR's.

Here's a run down of key team WR's and their record when they went injured for a year:

Andre Reed (injured '95) - team record was 10-6

Herman Moore (injured '99) - team went from 5-11 to 8-8

Sterling Sharpe (injured '95) - team went from 9-7 to 11-5

Andre Johnson (injured '07) - teamwent from 6-10 to 8-8

Marvin Harrison (injured '07) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3

Randy Moss (injured '04) - team went from 9-7 to 8-8

Jerry Rice (injured '97) - team went from 12-4 to 13-3


There's probably some I missed. I didn't put Javon Walker, whose Green Bay team got much worse when he got injured because Donald Driver was their #1 WR the year before anyway.

It's not to say that Owens isn't important and I'd be hard pressed to see Dallas go to the Super Bowl without him. But judging from history, keeping Romo healthy should be far more important than worrying about Owens. Also, we don't know what Terry Glenn is going to give Dallas. But if Owens were to get hurt, then you'd likely see a much more run oriented team. If Felix Jones is as good as advertised and Barber can make the transition to starting tailback, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dallas can be a quality team that focuses more on the run.






YAKUZA

 

[Sonny#9]

Perhaps. But I don't think history shows that with WR's.

It's not to say that Owens isn't important and I'd be hard pressed to see Dallas go to the Super Bowl without him. But judging from history, keeping Romo healthy should be far more important than worrying about Owens. Also, we don't know what Terry Glenn is going to give Dallas. But if Owens were to get hurt, then you'd likely see a much more run oriented team. If Felix Jones is as good as advertised and Barber can make the transition to starting tailback, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dallas can be a quality team that focuses more on the run.

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

 

[superpunk]

Clearly, you do:

So how will the 2008 Commanders be?

Actually, this was winning REGULAR SEASON team, if you want to get technical.

Don't try to change the subject with some stupid tangent.

 

[Rampage]

here's another one from the well known "tr1"
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247332

The Pukes Will Have A Losing Season This Year...

Gosh, I've given this a lot of thought and...well, I can't see them having a winning record. Sorry puke fans.

Teams that try to stay pat usually stumble badly. The pukes' o-line had an outstanding season last year, but the likelihood of repeating those performances is not likely. Columbo's knees will simply not hold up. Gurode will continue to have problems snapping in the shotgun, and Big and Flo are starting to realize that they're multi-millionaires who might not be too enthusiastic when the wheels begin to fall off.

Let's face it, Romo is a choker. His highs in qb ratings are only equaled by his horrific lows. Expect more Buffalo-type games from him - without the comeback.

TO is a fossil. Glenn has a knee that doesn't work...and Crayton is a choker. Do I need to go on about those WRs? I can.

On the defense, did any of those linemen have a sack? Forgive me, I just can't remember.

Look for Demarcus Where to disappear in at least three games...more if Ellis, the defensive fossil goes down. It's time for puke fans to admit that Where's success comes from Ellis being on the field (see 2006.)

And, since the pass rush will suffer this year, look for some record-breaking performances against that secondary. I won't discuss Roy because everyone in the free world knows about his inability to cover, so let's talk dbs.

Newman played through his injury last year to his credit. He deserves some respect, but Henry is a joke...as most puke fans know. That's why Jerruh rushed out to sign a criminal...a criminal who's been out of football for a year...and who wasn't that good when he played. The guy gambles...and in this defense, he doesn't need to...he should pretty much sit back and wait. When he gambles, he sets himself up for a big play against him. Look for Jones to be featured on many other teams' highlight films.

Oh, and I expect Hamlin to play like he did for Seattle...average.

And did I mention the pukes' dreadful STs? Parcells basically ripped the heart out of that unit. To think they'll be as adequate as they were last year is hoping against hope.

Should be fun.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

The problem with your post is that Glenn has not had microfracture surgery. He's going to have to have it done at some point, but he has not had it to this point. He had two scopes before he season las year to clean out some debris. Also, I have no idea where you got the info. that Gleen doesn't have a reputation for being tough??????

 

[BourbonBalz]

I wouldn't bank on Terry Glenn. First off, he doesn't have the reputation of being tough, and very few players come back from microfracture surgery, especially at his age.

Here's why I put the emphasis on TO. At least Brad Johnson can come and and not lose the game. And as much as I hate to admit it, Romo is a good qb. But really -- do you really want your starting receivers to be Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin or Sam Hurd? I'd much rather have Johnson throwing to TO then Romo throwing to those receivers.

Case in point -- look at what TO did for McNabb.

What's your point? Every team in the league would suffer if they lost their best WR. You seem to think Dallas is the only team this applies to. How would N.E. fare without Moss, especially since Stallworth walked this off-season? The Colts weren't as effective last year without Harrison. It goes on and on.

 

[Sonny#9]

What's your point? Every team in the league would suffer if they lost their best WR. You seem to think Dallas is the only team this applies to. How would N.E. fare without Moss, especially since Stallworth walked this off-season? The Colts weren't as effective last year without Harrison. It goes on and on.

Maybe you should go back take a second look. I said TO is as important as Romo, if not more so.

Which would you rather have: Johnson throwing to TO, or Romo throwing to Hurd/Austin/Crayton?

In my opinion TO is your offensive MVP.

 

[Sonny#9]

The problem with your post is that Glenn has not had microfracture surgery. He's going to have to have it done at some point, but he has not had it to this point. He had two scopes before he season las year to clean out some debris. Also, I have no idea where you got the info. that Gleen doesn't have a reputation for being tough??????

My bad -- I thought he had it already. And yes, Glenn is very soft. Anyone outside of Dallas who watches the games can see this.

 

[the kid 05]

why the hell do Commanders fans call us pukes? it has nothing to do with the cowboys...

 

[Sonny#9]

why the hell do Commanders fans call us pukes? it has nothing to do with the cowboys...

It's a derivative of Cowpokes, or 'Pokes...it's almost as funny as calling the Commanders the Foreskins or what have you...that is to say it's not.

 

[Seven]

here's another one from the well known "tr1"
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247332



Gosh, I've given this a lot of thought.

Started off with a lie. We know the above statement is impossible for skin fans..............soooo busted.

 

[BourbonBalz]

My bad -- I thought he had it already. And yes, Glenn is very soft. Anyone outside of Dallas who watches the games can see this.

What I do know about Glenn is that he's a game changer if he's remotely healthy. He's one of the best deep threats in the game, even at his age. Will he be health enough to show it? No one seems to know at this point, but the news our of Valley Ranch has been positive.

 

[sago1]

Why are we even arguing with a Commanders fan. I read ES fairly often cause it's so funny. Also read other boards like the Giants, etc. Most fans of other teams believe their players are among the best. Lions believe they have the talent to win the SB in 08 and that they just as good as the top teams. Hmm.

Skins fans believe the same thing. They also believe that their young QB is just as good as Romo with similar stats. Of course after he lost to us, many were all over him. They fell in love with Collins and he became their savior. Admit he played well for them until the Seattle game. I do respect the Skins for the way they pulled together after losing their starting CB in the manner they did. As a Cowboy fan, I can't imagine how bad it would feel to lose one of our starters -- emotionally, etc.

But I also laugh when I read all the names they call us & our QB; Homo for Romo is priceless considering his off field activities/success. Shoot if anybody's seen Cooley in his clinging short shorts & to call Romo a Homo, funny funny people.

Anyway, I guess I should be nice to Skins fans cause they convinced me, after living in the D.C. area for a few years, to become a Cowboy fan. Geez, I hated Allen & his paranoid brain & also Skins believe everybody hates them and the refs/NFL are all out to do them in. It was a relif to watch Staubach and see a normal human being on the football field.

Ha, I still laugh when I remember reading a few weeks back a Commander fan posting on ES asking the question whether the Skins were still a premier team. If you gotta ask that question, then the obvious answer is NO.