Some Ugly Questions Regarding Pacman/Roethlisberger

[Chuck 54]

Does racism still exist in America? Or are we just exaggerating?

These are just questions for you to debate and on which to share your opinions.

The more I've read and heard about Ben Roethlisberger, this alledged offense and past uses of poor judgements, the more I've sensed particularly troubling similarities to the history of Pacman Jones.

Pacman...always in the wrong place at the wrong time. A history of alledged misconduct before the more serious offenses caught up with him. The team provided a bodyguard to keep him out of trouble, but even that couldn't keep Pacman from trouble. Meanwhile, the law was always on Pacman's heels.

Roethlisberger...he now has his own troubling history that is growing. The starting QB and team leader and hero of a city still out and about in the wrong places at the wrong times when a guy his age should know better. In his case, however, it seems the local police actually accompany him and protect him from mistakes and witnesses...yet, even the cops who were partying with him and blocking the bathroom couldn't save him from himself.

Innocent or quilty, does the publicly quiet and dignified "white QB" get different treatment in the media, by the police, and from fans than the street-tough, swaggering "black cb" did?

Is there really much difference between these two knuckleheads? If Roethlisberger were a young, black man in the same situations, would his current situation with the media, police, and the Pittsburg Steelers be any different?

Maybe yes...maybe no...some of you probably know more about both players and their troubled pasts than I do. Opinions?

 

[Four]

turning into something it isn't.

Ben to my knowledge doesn't have a prior history. He wrecked his bike, but as far as I know that's it.

Pacman, do I even need to talk about this idiot and how many years and years he was an idiot?

pacman=:showme: :jackpot:
ben=2 time super bowl winning QB who just now is getting into trouble.

 

[Hoofbite]

Searching for something that isn't there.

Ben will get his in due time but to say his record is anything comparable to Jones' is flat wrong.

 

[superpunk]

I don't disagree.

But I think Pacman's history was longer (pre-NFL even) - and ended up more egregious...

I do fail to see why the commissioner hasn't dropped his heavy hammer on Roethlisumthin. If you're gonna do it, do it consistently. Maybe he's just waiting for more info - I think he waited on Pacman.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't disagree.

But I think Pacman's history was longer (pre-NFL even) - and ended up more egregious...

I do fail to see why the commissioner hasn't dropped his heavy hammer on Roethlisumthin. If you're gonna do it, do it consistently. Maybe he's just waiting for more info - I think he waited on Pacman.

He hasn't even been charged yet. I think Ben will get a nice leave once he has to start showing up in court.

 

[zrinkill]

Does racism still exist in America? Or are we just exaggerating?

These are just questions for you to debate and on which to share your opinions.

The more I've read and heard about Ben Roethlisberger, this alledged offense and past uses of poor judgements, the more I've sensed particularly troubling similarities to the history of Pacman Jones.

Pacman...always in the wrong place at the wrong time. A history of alledged misconduct before the more serious offenses caught up with him. The team provided a bodyguard to keep him out of trouble, but even that couldn't keep Pacman from trouble. Meanwhile, the law was always on Pacman's heels.

Roethlisberger...he now has his own troubling history that is growing. The starting QB and team leader and hero of a city still out and about in the wrong places at the wrong times when a guy his age should know better. In his case, however, it seems the local police actually accompany him and protect him from mistakes and witnesses...yet, even the cops who were partying with him and blocking the bathroom couldn't save him from himself.

Innocent or quilty, does the publicly quiet and dignified "white QB" get different treatment in the media, by the police, and from fans than the street-tough, swaggering "black cb" did?

Is there really much difference between these two knuckleheads? If Roethlisberger were a young, black man in the same situations, would his current situation with the media, police, and the Pittsburg Steelers be any different?

Maybe yes...maybe no...some of you probably know more about both players and their troubled pasts than I do. Opinions?

Maybe "lifestyle-ism" but not racism.

If Ben acted like a moronic gang banger ..... he would face the same scrutiny.

Tiger woods is (kinda) black ...... and he was given the benefit of doubt for a decade.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Pacman had 13 incidents with police, told a bouncer, you'll be dead tonight, hours later, people were actually shot and the guy accused that shot up the place, Pacman said he didn't know, when all evidence proved that was a lie, punched out a security guard hired by the cowboys to keep him out of trouble, etc, etc. Rothlesburger had a traffic accident not wering a helmet, two women accused him of rape, a common occurance made against professional athletes, remember the duke lacrosse team with regards to rape accusations that turned out to be false and the uproar that caused nationwide. The rape evidence in big ben case hasn't been disclosed yet, if their is any. Both are diffferent scenerios, you can't compare the two just yet..but if these allegations prove true against Rothlesburger, then the Steelers will get rid of him..

 

[theebs]

well does racism still exist...umm yea....

and to the next thing It probably more appropriate to compare ben and kobe as it seems they have the same issue.

pacman is just a street thug like he always has been. Your buddies dont kill people if your just a guy at the wrong place and wrong time.

 

[joseephuss]

Pacman was in trouble while he was still in college. Thanks to this board(actually I think it was the older board) I knew that both Pacman and Chris Henry were a pair of knuckleheads at WVU and could not be counted on.

Every situation is different and has to be looked at for its own merits. The whole situation would be different if it were Tom Brady, JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick or Tony Romo being accused.

 

[superonyx]

We dont even know if Ben is guilty of anything at this point. All we know is that a women is accusing him of something.
So you want to compare him to Pacman? Really? Pacman?
Pacman was running with a group of thugs that were shooting people. He was beating up strippers. A man is in a wheel chair for the rest of his life because one of Pacmans thugs shot him.

How is this the same as a women accusing Ben of touching her?

The only racism i can see is the racism you are showing in your post by accusing the media and police of being racist. This allegation is old.

 

[Hoofbite]

Maybe "lifestyle-ism" but not racism.

If Ben acted like a moronic gang banger ..... he would face the same scrutiny.

Tiger woods is (kinda) black ...... and he was given the benefit of doubt for a decade.

Nope. Pretty sure he was drafted by the Blacks during Chapelle's first racial draft.

He's 100% black now.

 

[superpunk]

He hasn't even been charged yet. I think Ben will get a nice leave once he has to start showing up in court.

True. I don't remember the exact timeline of other serious offenders, but I think I remember Goodell waiting to drop the hammer until the law had a chance to bring things to light.

This thread may not be incorrect, but it's probably premature.

 

[Four]

I do wish Ben said "scrip club" more often.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Another big difference between the two is Big Ben has won 2 SBs and gets the benefit of the doubt. If the accomplishments were reserved you would see a reversal of legal fourtunes as well.

 

[superonyx]

Nope. Pretty sure he was drafted by the Blacks during Chapelle's first racial draft.

He's 100% black now.

 

[SDCowboy]

turning into something it isn't.

Ben to my knowledge doesn't have a prior history. He wrecked his bike, but as far as I know that's it.


ben=2 time super bowl winning QB who just now is getting into trouble.

You can't be serious...

 

[Chuck 54]

Interesting replies...thanks for sharing...certainly Pacman had a much longer list of problems, but for the two guys who didn't think Roethlisberger had been in trouble before, you'd be surprised. You can find it on the internet, and it will be talked about more and more in the media...this is not the first time Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual inappropriateness, to keep it soft. There have been settlements before...that's why there is talk in the media about whether the Rooney's will finally say enough is enough and cut ties with him. Roethisberger has been protected, imo.

As for the poster who thinks Pacman deserves a worse rap because he's an outspoken jerk and Ben is more dignified....I find that supports some of the gray area in my original question. It's cultural to a degree. I don't care how the guy talks or represents himself...that's free speech...the issue is that Ben's history suggests that he may be a total creep who has been protected moreso than someone else with less money and help.

 

[zrinkill]

Nope. Pretty sure he was drafted by the Blacks during Chapelle's first racial draft.

He's 100% black now.

:laugh2:

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Of course racism exists in America.

But, the Roethlisberger and Pacman situations are different.

Pacman has been in trouble roughly a gazillion times with the law. Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault twice. Before the first time, he had no problems with the law and the first accusation...you could see where the accuser was trying to take advantage of Roethlisberger's fame. There are times when I think people tried to take advantage of Pacman's fame as well.

But Pacman has constantly been let off the hook and Roethlisberger is in a situation where after getting in trouble with the law for only the second time, he may face serious jail time.





YR

 

[Four]

this is not the first time Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual inappropriateness, to keep it soft. There have been settlements before...that's why there is talk in the media about whether the Rooney's will finally say enough is enough and cut ties with him. Roethisberger has been protected, imo.

this is the second time he has been accused I thought, could you link the other stuff? I would like to read it.

And all this exploded in the last year I thought as well, both chicks accusing, that's a short timeline to call it a history.