Someone should shoot this kid.

[trickblue]

They should come to Virginia when they do the "all you can shoot" deer buffet when the population gets out of control.

Same way here...

A little background on game management...

Populations of deer are off the charts, they are a healthy species...

I live in a beautiful neighborhood/subdivision where the deer walk down the street with not a care in the world... this happens EVERY day. I was 30 yards from a 10 point feeding by the side of the road on the West entrance to our neighborhood tonight. I stopped and looked at him for about a minute. He looked me in the eye several times but was never alarmed... it was pretty cool...

Protecting them from hunters is the least of worries. A fraction of the population is taken during the hunting season. The real problem is overpopulation and starvation...

Deer have always been a food source, and not culling a portion of the population would lead to extreme over population...

Like it or not, hunting is a necessarily evil...

I get pretty pissed at the anti groups as I grew up in a culture where my hunting friends carefully managed the bucks and which ones to take in order to maintain a healthy population. You evaluate a buck and determine age and genetic quality. He could be a 12 pointer, but if you determine he is young and virile, you let him go. It's better for the herd. You ALWAYS take a deformed rack buck and you ALWAYS take a giant buck with a small rack... it's code. Those deer hurt the population as a whole as they distribute bad genes...

It really irks me with the anti's as far as management. These experienced hunters know what they are doing and they aren't going to jeopardize future hunts or population.

Of course, there is the jerk factor, but they are few and far between... and most are vilified by legitimate hunters.

I have let many good bucks go in my hunting experience as have many that I know...

Ducks are even more the case and more protected...

 

[YosemiteSam]

Did I say that?

I notice you said nothing about the OP saying he should be shot.

He should be...and anyone trying to protect him.

 

[YosemiteSam]

They should come to Virginia when they do the "all you can shoot" deer buffet when the population gets out of control.

...they should do this for all places in America!

While that was a joke, I was also making a point.

If over population allows the right to kill at will (hell, at all), then why not apply it to all life forms?

Yep, story changes when YOU become a target. :

 

[Rackat]

...they should do this for all places in America!

While that was a joke, I was also making a point.

If over population allows the right to kill at will (hell, at all), then why not apply it to all life forms?

Yep, story changes when YOU become a target. :

Some species can shoot back and are better armed than the would-be hunters.....

 

[Temo]

Same way here...

A little background on game management...

Populations of deer are off the charts, they are a healthy species...

I live in a beautiful neighborhood/subdivision where the deer walk down the street with not a care in the world... this happens EVERY day. I was 30 yards from a 10 point feeding by the side of the road on the West entrance to our neighborhood tonight. I stopped and looked at him for about a minute. He looked me in the eye several times but was never alarmed... it was pretty cool...

Protecting them from hunters is the least of worries. A fraction of the population is taken during the hunting season. The real problem is overpopulation and starvation...

Deer have always been a food source, and not culling a portion of the population would lead to extreme over population...

Like it or not, hunting is a necessarily evil...

I get pretty pissed at the anti groups as I grew up in a culture where my hunting friends carefully managed the bucks and which ones to take in order to maintain a healthy population. You evaluate a buck and determine age and genetic quality. He could be a 12 pointer, but if you determine he is young and virile, you let him go. It's better for the herd. You ALWAYS take a deformed rack buck and you ALWAYS take a giant buck with a small rack... it's code. Those deer hurt the population as a whole as they distribute bad genes...

It really irks me with the anti's as far as management. These experienced hunters know what they are doing and they aren't going to jeopardize future hunts or population.

Of course, there is the jerk factor, but they are few and far between... and most are vilified by legitimate hunters.

I have let many good bucks go in my hunting experience as have many that I know...

Ducks are even more the case and more protected...

There's nothing evil about hunting. And it's only become necessary because we've destroyed the wolf population in the east. It's sad.

/casual hunter

 

[zrinkill]

If over population allows the right to kill at will (hell, at all), then why not apply it to all life forms?

Yep, story changes when YOU become a target.

And here goes the animal life is just as important as people argument.

Guess you never used bug spray.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And here goes the animal life is just as important as people argument.

Guess you never used bug spray.

Nope, but I've used people spray. :

 

[TheCount]

Did I say that?

I notice you said nothing about the OP saying he should be shot.

Yes. You said they should lie by saying they all shot one over the limit. Which is still a crime.

And obviously the kid isn't going to be shot.

 

[VietCowboy]

And here goes the animal life is just as important as people argument.

Guess you never used bug spray.

If I had a choice with no consequence to choose to kill Sandusky or Vick versus a duck, I would choose those humans without even blinking.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If I had a choice with no consequence to choose to kill Sandusky or Vick versus a duck, I would choose those humans without even blinking.

I'm on board. I've got the people spray to do it too!

 

[Reality]

If over population allows the right to kill at will (hell, at all), then why not apply it to all life forms?

Sam, I am curious what you think should be done with over population of animals? I am being very serious with this question.

Let me start by saying I do not hunt, though I do have friends that do. I do not own any guns even though my parents and grandparents were hunters and owned several guns. I have all kinds of wild and tame animals that visit my yard including some that I feed. I regularly see deer as I drive on city streets and highways. In fact, I have already seen at least 30-40 deer in the last few weeks including several that were grazing just feet from major roads and highways.

Ten years ago it was rare if you ever saw a deer in the city but since then, their population inside the surrounding cities have skyrocketed. The main reason for this is because you are not allowed to kill deer within the city limits here. I like and respect nature, but even I realize that the deer population's growth is starting to become a life threatening danger to the population.

Earlier this year, a neighbor of my parents had two dogs they had to put to sleep because of the severe injuries they suffered from raccoons that came into their fenced in yard and attacked their dogs and they live inside a city as well. Raccoons are actually a protected species here so you cannot do anything to them unless you catch them attacking someone or a pet. My parents who live in a different city used to feed the neighborhood cats in years past but had to stop because raccoons were running off the cats and being aggressive even towards people. A few years ago, they had never seen a raccoon in their neighborhood.

My question is how would you handle it? Again, I am being serious and not looking for side remarks from anyone.

#reality

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am waiting for some fresh deer jerky around these parts.

I do not have the patience to sit out in the woods without moving or making a sound so I no longer hunt. I found that if I did sit still and remain quiet it was only because I fell asleep.:laugh2:

I think that is why I always enjoyed fishing more...I could get up, move around, change bait and so on.

But man alive do I love it right after deer season around these parts because of the eventually deer jerky that will be floating around soon after.:laugh2:

As far as the original topic. It appears that the guy broke the law and I think it is fair to say that it was not just a simple slip up of accidentally being over the limit by one or something of that nature that someone could understand.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sam, I am curious what you think should be done with over population of animals? I am being very serious with this question.

Death is a part of life and the natural progression of nature.

I believe it applies to everything. Not just animals. (ie, humans)

Of course, people have decided that it no longer should apply to humans. That is where I'm split. I truly believe that only the strong should survive. Not because I'm an ***hole, but because it is how the species becomes stronger. To not allow natural progression to take it's course, weakens a species.

Specifically to your question, over population exists for a reason. It exists because natural progression is being prevented. Nature has it's own way to balance out populations.

When over populations occurs, (man's fault) something has to be done to stabilize the habitat. Sometimes that means wholesale slaughter of animals.

My real issue is the pointless slaughter of life. To kill for food or protection (including from over population) I have no issue with. To shoot 65 ducks just to shoot them, is ruthless slaughter. I have a serious issue with that.

 

[Vtwin]

I am from the South... hunter, fisherman... all the stereotypes...

I am also educated, like many of us... I assure you there are *******s among us, but by and large, Southerners are excellent managers of land and game...

DU is the best conservationist organization in the world...

Having worked all over the US extensively, the definition of rednecks abound in high numbers in the Northeast especially...

Actually we are called woodchucks in the Northeast. I'll either be going huntin' or fishin' this weekend depending on the weather and I will be traveling to my destination in a Ford pickup truck.

Cheers.

 

[Concord]

He should be...and anyone trying to protect him.

He should be shot.

I would have no problem doing it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I do not hunt. The reason I do not hunt is I have no intention of cleaning and cooking what I hunt. Since that is the case, me hunting would be pointless slaughtering of animals. Therefore I do not hunt.

I do fish though. I do not clean or cook the fish that I catch. so I practice catch and release. If I could hunt and release, I probably would.

 

[YosemiteSam]

He should be shot.

I would have no problem doing it.

You need to shoot those d-bags robbing people at gun point around Ohio State. :laugh2:

 

[Concord]

You need to shoot those d-bags robbing people at gun point around Ohio State. :laugh2:

I don't care about humans...I thought I made that clear.

:

 

[Reality]

Specifically to your question, over population exists for a reason. It exists because natural progression is being prevented. Nature has it's own way to balance out populations.

You could make the argument that nature is what put humans on top of the food chain giving them the ability to kill animals (as well as each other). I am not debating what you are saying only that it can be viewed from both sides.

My real issue is the pointless slaughter of life. To kill for food or protection (including from over population) I have no issue with. To shoot 65 ducks just to shoot them, is ruthless slaughter. I have a serious issue with that.

I am in total agreement. As I said, I love nature and animals. I also respect them and I too believe that nature should be left alone. Killing even one duck for the fun of it is wrong much less 65.

#reality

 

[YosemiteSam]

You could make the argument that nature is what put humans on top of the food chain giving them the ability to kill animals (as well as each other). I am not debating what you are saying only that it can be viewed from both sides.

Actually, that is exactly how I see it. I do not differentiate animals PoV. (human or not) The way I see it, all animals have the same right to life as humans do. Way back before laws, humans did kill other humans and animals. *Most* of the time, the killing had reason for it. Not just ruthless slaughter though sometimes it did happen. In this sense, humans would prevent over population of other humans. (they definitely did that in the past) One group of people would encroach on another group of people's land and war would break out.