Something about Leary

[CowboyStar88]

I don't disagree with that. They should make the most of having a player like Tyron. The issue is that if Tyron gives up a sack and Free does not give up a sack then people start saying that Free is playing better than Tyron. I'm just pointing out that Tyron's job is more difficult not only because he is playing LT, but also because they shift the load onto him within the context of the OL scheme.

If anyone is pointing out that Smith isn't playing just as good if not better then free they are delusional. Smith is a staple for the next decade Free is the type of player you have on a line that is loaded with talent. He's a solid player who doesn't make a lot of mental mistakes and you can win with him. You need players like him

 

[LatinMind]

Yes, that's why I stated that they helped both Free and Parnell. This thread was about how Leary's and Tyron's jobs are more difficult because of the scheme. It was not a thread about Parnell vs Free. It's actually excellent coaching in how they managed to help Free because this was not happening back in 2012 and earlier when Free was struggling.

Only time i have heard the word struggling in reguard to free is on this forum. What i have heard is the Cowboys OL talk about Free being the piece that makes it all work. The guy they go to. They talked about that the first game he missed.

Leary is a nice piece to the overall scheme. He;s nowhere near as bad as he plays thursday. Philly had a great scheme overload the right side and and drop back. to hit the gap for the run. Think we did see Leary as a player who would struggle in a man blocking scheme.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I don't really understand why people are so protective of Free. It seems to make people angry when Free gets criticized.

X it's not about people getting angry about Free getting criticized. It's that you make threads every week putting Free down to promote another player. If your pet cat wasn't Parnell we probably wouldn't even notice it. However there is no need to dog Free weekly as its not warranted the guy is having a good solid season

 

[CyberB0b]

This point is that if Free was as good as some are claiming (at a salary of 3.5MM) he wouldn't be getting any help at all.

No one is claiming Free is a Pro Bowl talent. He is a middle of the pack RT in the league. I think that's pretty obvious.

I don't know the reason for the smart arse reply. It's not as if I'm complaining about the OL coaching or scheme. I think shifting the load to Tyron is terrific coaching. I'm just pointing out reasons why Tyron and Leary might struggle on occasion when most discussions after the loss to the Eagles center around who is to blame.

I think it's pretty clear that the entire line struggles in pass protection, for various reasons. If you were to tell me that Free is the weakest link on the line, I would agree with you. I just don't think we have a better option on the team right now. The interior of the line has struggled just as much as the outside guys.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't really understand why people are so protective of Free. It seems to make people angry when Free gets criticized.

I don't get it either, I think its because he is so much better than his disaster season in 2012. Who knows. Free is a good player but overrated here and is unlikely to be resigned at anything near his current salary IMO.

 

[LatinMind]

I don't really understand why people are so protective of Free. It seems to make people angry when Free gets criticized.

Its not that, its just people notice that you try and belittle him or marginalize his play because you and you alone think Parnell should be starting

 

[CowboyStar88]

I disagree, and I think the team will move on from him this offseason.

I disagree with that. Free owned up to his bad play a couple of years ago worked hard took a pay cut for the team and JJ. The other guys look up to him on the line and I think he will be back as JJ will reward him for the hard work he's put in

 

[xwalker]

If anyone is pointing out that Smith isn't playing just as good if not better then free they are delusional. Smith is a staple for the next decade Free is the type of player you have on a line that is loaded with talent. He's a solid player who doesn't make a lot of mental mistakes and you can win with him. You need players like him

For many people they judge OLineman strictly by how many sacks they allow or by their PFF ratings. One of my points is that even if Smith and Free had allowed the exact same number of sacks, pressures and had the same PFF rating, that Tyron's job is much more difficult and that the PFF ratings are not a valid comparison.

 

[Kaiser]

where did u get the top?

I'm going off the Sportrac site:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/right-tackle/limit-25/

 

[CowboyStar88]

For many people they judge OLineman strictly by how many sacks they allow or by their PFF ratings. One of my points is that even if Smith and Free had allowed the exact same number of sacks, pressures and had the same PFF rating, that Tyron's job is much more difficult and that the PFF ratings are not a valid comparison.

I use the eyeball test when it comes to line play. I don't need PFF stats to tell me Leary struggled Thursday or that JPP won a few battles against Smith Sunday. I think you are confusing hyperbole on Gameday vs reality when comparing Smith and Free.

 

[zack]

It also bothers me that on the 2nd and 1 pic, the entire middle of the field is almost empty and not one WR turned after going past the first down marker. Something is wrong with the design of the WR routes.

It has been this way for years. I don't get it.

 

[xwalker]

X it's not about people getting angry about Free getting criticized. It's that you make threads every week putting Free down to promote another player. If your pet cat wasn't Parnell we probably wouldn't even notice it. However there is no need to dog Free weekly as its not warranted the guy is having a good solid season

I've said many times that Free is "good enough" to win with.

When it comes time for decide on RT options next season, my point is that a better RT would improve RG and LT because the scheme wouldn't have to compensate for the RT.

I've criticized Nick Hayden many times and nobody gets upset about that. Like Free, Hayden has been good enough for the team to be 8-4 with Hayden often being in the top 2 in snaps per game on the DLine. I still believe that the 1-tech spot should be upgraded.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I've said many times that Free is "good enough" to win with.

When it comes time for decide on RT options next season, my point is that a better RT would improve RG and LT because the scheme wouldn't have to compensate for the RT.

I've criticized Nick Hayden many times and nobody gets upset about that. Like Free, Hayden has been good enough for the team to be 8-4 with Hayden often being in the top 2 in snaps per game on the DLine. I still believe that the 1-tech spot should be upgraded.

We drafted Free with a 4th round pick and we like to see our draft picks be successful with this team. Hayden is an ok rotational type player who was not a draft pick by this club. Not a single person even wanted the guy and all they did was invest a smaller contract in the guy. It's a bit different when trying to compare a RT who is good at getting to the 2nd level to a guy who shows zero pass rush and an inability to create double teams.

 

[Kaiser]

I disagree with that. Free owned up to his bad play a couple of years ago worked hard took a pay cut for the team and JJ. The other guys look up to him on the line and I think he will be back as JJ will reward him for the hard work he's put in

I think they look up to Free because he is 30 years old with 8 years in the league, he is much older and more experienced than the others. Smith is in his 4th season but the age of the other four starters is 23, 23, 24 and 25. I'm sure Free is a leader and a great guy, but that isn't the discussion about his level of play.

And saying Free took a paycut "for the team" is kind of like say Ken Bishop took his release from the roster and spot on the practice squad spot "for the team." Free had a choice between being cut or reducing his salary - and his salary was reduced to the exact amount of the cap hit the team would take by cutting him. He took the minimum pay cut he could in the face of being released.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I think they look up to Free because he is 30 years old with 8 years in the league, he is much older and more experienced than the others. Smith is in his 4th season but the age of the other four starters is 23, 23, 24 and 25. I'm sure Free is a leader and a great guy, but that isn't the discussion about his level of play.

And saying Free took a paycut "for the team" is kind of like say Ken Bishop took his release from the roster and spot on the practice squad spot "for the team." Free had a choice between being cut or reducing his salary - and his salary was reduced to the exact amount of the cap hit the team would take by cutting him. He took the minimum pay cut he could in the face of being released.

You still minimize the fact that he took his pay cut and turned his play around. He could've said no and moved on it goes both ways.

 

[Kaiser]

You still minimize the fact that he took his pay cut and turned his play around. He could've said no and moved on it goes both ways.

He took the restructure because it was more money than he would have gotten from another team after being released. If he had been cut after how badly he played in 2012, he would have gotten a camp tryout somewhere with a minimum salary. He wouldn't have gotten anything near a two year guaranteed contract for 7 Million.

 

[CowboyStar88]

He took the restructure because it was more money than he would have gotten from another team after being released. If he had been cut after how badly he played in 2012, he would have gotten a camp tryout somewhere with a minimum salary. He wouldn't have gotten anything near a two year guaranteed contract for 7 Million.

You don't know that. I haven't heard a single team say they wouldn't have paid Free 3.5 million for RT play. If all reports were accurate and Free was having an issue buying into the new techniques then I'm sure other teams could see they potential in getting him to adjust again. Look we are not going to agree here and neither one of us know what other teams would've offered him and none of us know the line calls.

 

[Kaiser]

You don't know that. I haven't heard a single team say they wouldn't have paid Free 3.5 million for RT play. If all reports were accurate and Free was having an issue buying into the new techniques then I'm sure other teams could see they potential in getting him to adjust again.

I'm not going to beat the dead horse but we know exactly what Free's agent thought of his value because he took a pay cut equal to what Dallas would love in cap space by cutting him, basically giving a free tryout in the following year's training camp. If his agent could have gotten more money elsewhere (ala DeMarcus Ware) he would have taken his release and run.

Tyson Clabo stunk it up in 2013, was cut and then signed for 2 years and 2.4MM. That's a good benchmark for the situation, Free wouldn't have gotten anything close to 7 MM for the "potential of getting him to adjust again".

 

[CowboyStar88]

I'm not going to beat the dead horse but we know exactly what Free's agent thought of his value because he took a pay cut equal to what Dallas would love in cap space by cutting him, basically giving a free tryout in the following year's training camp. If his agent could have gotten more money elsewhere (ala DeMarcus Ware) he would have taken his release and run.

Tyson Clabo stunk it up in 2013, was cut and then signed for 2 years and 2.4MM. That's a good benchmark for the situation, Free wouldn't have gotten anything close to 7 MM for the "potential of getting him to adjust again".

Again you have no idea what a team was willing to offer Free. You keep making assumptions about it. You have no idea if Free told his agent I want to stay here in Dallas period. Listen Dallas made the right call and it's worked out just fine for Dallas. the Ware and free situations are not even close to comparable I get you want to use that to back up your point but it doesn't work. If you were told you could get good solid RT play for 3 million a year you and everyone else would be happy, but because the players name is Free you're not happy and that's fine. However I'm not going to get down on a player who battled back and has put together to solid years and hasn't gotten our QB killed. He is also part of the reason we have the best RB in the league.

 

[Kaiser]

Again you have no idea what a team was willing to offer Free. You keep making assumptions about it. You have no idea if Free told his agent I want to stay here in Dallas period.

If your theory is that after a horrible year Free took less money to stay in Dallas and other teams were lined up to give him more than 7MM in guaranteed money... there is really no reason to continue in this thread. Its like saying teams are lined up to give Brandon Carr 100MM after he is cut this offseason.