Something about Romo to ponder...

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Ok. Let's forget the 5-10 record from the end of November forward... Let's give him the benefit of the doubt on that one...

How about the fact that his post November stats read:

5 TDs

15 INTs

Please discuss.
 

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And the fumbles. Too many in any ones opinion. HE MUST HAVE BETTER BALL SECURITY.
I had no problem with a 3-1 TD to PIC ratio. I DO have a problem with a fumble or two thrown in for good measure. I also have a problem with the lack of judgement in all too many of those pics. Romo is a gunslinger but he must get SOME CONTROL over it or he will always be a poor mans Favre.
 

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Beware of small sample size. There has to be an underlying cause if you think there's an association - things can be correlated, but that doesn't imply causation.

My current suspicion is that the unifying theme in late-season underperformance has been breakdowns in the efficiency, stamina and durability of the offensive line, and associated breakdowns in the performance of that unit specifically. You wonder how much that has to do with the strength and conditioning coaches, or Houck, or the players themselves.

But when I look at the disasters and how they compared with the rest of the season, that's the only thing that really sticks out in my mind as having been substantially different.

Be honest with yourselves, and remember back to the Arizona (08) and Buffalo (07) games...Romo's dropsies and interception-happiness are not confined to December by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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he's not as good as everybody thinks. hopefully he will improve. but it doesn't help having that jerk of a wr in your ear after every pass that wasn't thrown to him.
 

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Romo's propensity to turn the ball over, I think, becomes magnified in the late season, when the intensity of the game is dialed up. If he is to become a great quarterback, he is going to have to overcome this weakness. the good news is that he is still relatively young and inexperienced. But if he hasn't gotten better control of the turnovers by next season, it might be that he will never fulfill his promise.

I do think Romo has been victimized by late-season offensive line meltdowns. And it is fair to say that his receivers (no, not just one receiver) contributed mightily to the failure in last year's Giants playoff game. If a couple of plays had been made, we might not be having this discussion.

Romo clearly needs to get better. But he is also the only ray of QB sunshine the Cowboys have experienced since Aikman's prime. The challenge for Cowboys management is to maximize Romo's ability to fulfill his promise.
 

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Rampage;2543844 said:
he's not as good as everybody thinks. hopefully he will improve. but it doesn't help having that jerk of a wr in your ear after every pass that wasn't thrown to him.

Come on man, this is about Romo not T.O. :bang2:
 

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Romo, when pressured, is simply awful. Granted, the OL breakdowns are causing this pressure, but every QB in the league has to deal with it and I think most of them are dealing with it better than Romo is right now. He's throwing off his back foot, he's throwing the ball up for grabs, it almost looks like he's throwing it with his eyes closed. I thought that in the Balt and Philly games he was getting rid of the ball before he needed to. Is this a product of poor QB coaching? We all seem to be blaming Phillips and Faux Genius, but where is Wilson in this? Maybe he's not getting the QB coaching he needs.
 

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Well it doesnt help that we have an OC that learned how to call plays from TECMO BOWL.

When the best play of the game in the season finale is a play your QB and TE drew up in the dirt, you have a problem.

A serious problem.
 

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Rampage;2543870 said:
they go hand and hand. i'm tired man, give me a break

My bad holemy, just responding to the post. But again if Romo ****'ed up, let him have it he's a grown *** man, he's the quarterback of America's team. T.O. didnt drop that ball on the feild goal in the Seahawk's game, i didnt hear anyone complaining (to much) about T.O. last year when the team went 13-3 and had a first round by in the playoff's. But i guess T.O. is to blame for Romo's poor play in those games as well. Give US a break!
 

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There are a lot of things wrong with this team, Romo included.
That said, our OC isn't using his weapons like he should.
Hope fully we are a lot healthier next season, we have a three headed running monster that we get to use.

Hopefully we have WRs who accept their role, shut up and want to win as a team.

Hopefully Romo gets to play within his limits and becomes more of a game manager than a slinger.

We need to fix the O line for any of this to work and clean up the stupidity.
 

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OL break down at the end of the year!

When he has time to throw he is usually pretty good, but as the line breaks down he is hit on almost every play!

Once he doesn't trust the line he goes downhill. He begins to not trust the line and gets rid of the ball way too fast or his head is on a swivle even when he is not being pressured.

When the OL does decent, he is usually good against the blitz!
 

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From head to toe, this team will spar back and forth with anybody. You want to throw 5 TD's, then fine. We will match you and possibly win.

But from head to toe, this team will whimper and cry the second it is hit solid in the mouth. They don't have the heart. Those Romo numbers reflect this entire team, don't think it doesn't.
 

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Just for the record, I didn't create this thread to bash Romo. I know numbers are numbers and some of that can be attributed to a lackadasical oline, an OC that just doesn't get it yet, and WRs (all WRs) that don't help out their QB. I just found that stat to be interesting and wanted to discuss.

He has got to work on protecting the ball better even in those times when the pressure is on. That's paramount if he is to improve his game. Every once in awhile throw it away and take a punt. Play the field position game if you have to and put your defense in better position to succeed on a regular basis. I'll take a throw away and a punt over a pick 6 every day of the week.
 

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Bleu Star;2543906 said:
Just for the record, I didn't create this thread to bash Romo. I know numbers are numbers and some of that can be attributed to a lackadasical oline, an OC that just doesn't get it yet, and WRs (all WRs) that don't help out their QB. I just found that stat to be interesting and wanted to discuss.

He has got to work on protecting the ball better even in those times when the pressure is on. That's paramount if he is to improve his game. Every once in awhile throw it away and take a punt. Play the field position game if you have to and put your defense in better position to succeed on a regular basis. I'll take a throw away and a punt over a pick 6 every day of the week.


For what it's worth, speaking for myself, obviously, I didn't take the thread as a Romo bash. The QB of a team that collapsed so monumentally can't be above scrutiny.

I'm less concerned with the stats than with the bottom line. I'm not sure Joe Montana could have put up sterling numbers against that onslaught of an Eagles pass rush last Sunday. But Romo didn't protect the ball, and that's at least in large part on him.
 

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Bleu Star;2543830 said:
Ok. Let's forget the 5-10 record from the end of November forward... Let's give him the benefit of the doubt on that one...

How about the fact that his post November stats read:

5 TDs

15 INTs

Please discuss.

Very troubling stats indeed.
 

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Romo clearly shares in the blame as do his offensive line that can't seem to protect and WR who do not run the right routs. The QB many times will throw to a spot where he expects his WR to be and if he is not there then picks can occure. Again Romo shares in the blame I don't excuse that but if people are looking for someone to dump on then dump on more than just Romo.
 

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OL break down, WRs running Bad routes, questionable play calling, coaching, injuries...all are valid problems that contribute to it. I am not excusing romo in that because they are valid reasons.

However Romo also has to take some blame for the performances.

His throws have been high, off target and or eratic. He has a gunslinger attitude when things are going bad and he tries to take too much on his shoulders and make plays when he should just take a sack or throw the ball away.

Now his foot work has declined. I don't know if people remember but coming in from the off season he talked about improving his foot work in the pocket as his big project. How he studied film of Tom Brady in the pocket and how doing the right things with his foot work he would help himself and his oline. Well that all went away from about the Arizona game and when he returned.

Again, bad oline and injuries can cause a QB to be very eractic and make bad decisions, but that can only be blamed for so much. Romo has to understand that even if things are breaking down he still has the option of taking a sack or throwing the ball away instead of throwing it in to double or triple coverage or just throwing it up on a wing and a prayer hoping something good will happen.

He also needs to realize that while scrambling to buy time in the pocket he needs to secure the ball better. This results in most of his fumbling issues. If he secured the ball better while scrambling he would reduce the amount of his fumbles. Now fumbles will happen from time to time even if a ball is secured well, but nothing like what can happen when you do not.

One last thing he needs to work on. He always seems to want to make the big play down the field and then work his way back to the intermediate or dump offs. Now I should not say always as that is a stretch. There are plays designed for the short throws and also hot routes in cases. But more often than not he tries to buy too much time running around while looking for the long bomb instead of taking an obvious first down in a shorter throw.

So again, there are some things outside of his control that have hurt the teams game and his play, but he also has issues he needs to work on to get better.

This is not a blame him for everything or excuse him for everything because it is just not that simple.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;2543941 said:
OL break down, WRs running Bad routes, questionable play calling, coaching, injuries...all are valid problems that contribute to it. I am not excusing romo in that because they are valid reasons.

However Romo also has to take some blame for the performances.

His throws have been high, off target and or eratic. He has a gunslinger attitude when things are going bad and he tries to take too much on his shoulders and make plays when he should just take a sack or throw the ball away.

Now his foot work has declined. I don't know if people remember but coming in from the off season he talked about improving his foot work in the pocket as his big project. How he studied film of Tom Brady in the pocket and how doing the right things with his foot work he would help himself and his oline. Well that all went away from about the Arizona game and when he returned.

Again, bad oline and injuries can cause a QB to be very eractic and make bad decisions, but that can only be blamed for so much. Romo has to understand that even if things are breaking down he still has the option of taking a sack or throwing the ball away instead of throwing it in to double or triple coverage or just throwing it up on a wing and a prayer hoping something good will happen.

He also needs to realize that while scrambling to buy time in the pocket he needs to secure the ball better. This results in most of his fumbling issues. If he secured the ball better while scrambling he would reduce the amount of his fumbles. Now fumbles will happen from time to time even if a ball is secured well, but nothing like what can happen when you do not.

One last thing he needs to work on. He always seems to want to make the big play down the field and then work his way back to the intermediate or dump offs. Now I should not say always as that is a stretch. There are plays designed for the short throws and also hot routes in cases. But more often than not he tries to buy too much time running around while looking for the long bomb instead of taking an obvious first down in a shorter throw.

So again, there are some things outside of his control that have hurt the teams game and his play, but he also has issues he needs to work on to get better.

This is not a blame him for everything or excuse him for everything because it is just not that simple.

I agree with you and I think there are things Romo needs to work on to improve if he doesn't then this team will continue to come up short.
 
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