Something eerily similar between Lance and Dak

[Nav22]

Buzzbait said:
Ha! The poor guy is probably starving to death! Ramen Noodles and water for dinner.

Sorry 22, not angry at all, my post was meant only in jest. I should've added a to make that clear.

Didn't catch that, my apologies then!

 

[baltcowboy]

Woulda coulda shoulda.

Purdy looked like the next Tom Brady while going 7-0 (2-0 in playoffs). And that was his first career NFL action, in his rookie year.

Lance looked mediocre in a Week 1 loss to Chicago.

Yes, technically he did lose his job due to injury.

BUT if Lance looked GREAT in that Week 1 game (or his limited action as a rookie), maybe it's an open competition in camp this year. Instead, Purdy entered camp with the clear advantage.

Yeah we will probably never know what really happened. He is a Cowboy now so if he has to play hopefully he will be successful.

 

[Established1971]

Lance lost is job because he broke his ankle and Jimmy G took over. Purdy came in after Jimmy G hurt his foot. Purdy actually became the starter like Dak did for the Cowboys. Let’s not make up lies or false narratives about Lance. He lost his job mainly because of injury and Purdy got on a hot streak and took the 49ers to the NFC championship.

Lies? Lance is healthy now and the 49ers declared him #3 behind Darnold. (before they decided to trade him)

 

[SultanOfSix]

Maybe you've just started watching football, but yes. There are quarterback winning percentages recorded. I didn't just start that statistic.

And yes... I said that Dak and Herbert are two different quarterbacks, meaning two different styles of play.

Montana and Young were both great quarterbacks, but they both had their own different styles of playing quarterback.

If you don't know the difference between two different quarterback styles, then there's not much to discuss from here on out.

The QB winning percentage is a bogus statistic. QBs don't win games, only teams do.

So what's your point? Moore wasn't responsible for a top 5 offense when Dak was the QB because he wasn't a prototypical QB? Is Dak all-world and can improvise and overcome Moore's play-calling deficiencies because Moore can only call plays for prototypical QBs? But he's not all-world enough to take an offense to a SB so he needs a non-prototypical QB skilled OC who can help him every once in a while?

Montana and Young didn't have different "styles". They had different strengths and weaknesses among a shared, tangible set of skills that are required for QBs, e.g., Young could scramble better than Montana; Young had the stronger arm, but both were considered cerebral and quite accurate QBs, etc.

 

[glimmerman]

Daks problem was supposedly reading defense. In particular buc defense was the style he had the most problem with. In the playoff game he was throwing the ball way more than I was comfortable with but he looked great. I kept waiting for the dumb throw but it didn’t happen. After the game the coach for bucs said we threw every look at him and we couldn’t stop his accurate throws. When he has weapons he is fine. If not he has to depend on Lamb especially to get open. But Dak was hitting the tight windows when they flashed open.

Now I was disappointed with the second pick in the niners game. On a second and 2 from around there 20 it was not needed to throw a pass. Was an easy 1st and more if he tucks that ball and goes. He had been doing that earlier in the season but this time either threw a bad throw and didn’t see the defender or Lamb didn’t finish his route. Either way it was a bad play. Either playcall or audible or what ever. Dak can’t do that.

We will need to see Lance run this Offense in order to see how raw he is. College he played on a great TEAM. He won every game he played and threw 1 int. That’s amazing for a kid without that much experience. Lets us know he can take care of the ball. But seems like he is another running QB. Would love to get a young pocket passer. For some reason he did not play well enough in niners system. I hear a bunch of coaches from there saying it was more their fault than Lances. Maybe we blow some teams out this season and he can get on the field for some real game action. Unless he is totally awesome and it just clicks for him here or he will move to back up roll soon. I do not see him taking Daks job. Dak will be extended soon.

 

[glimmerman]

The QB winning percentage is a bogus statistic. QBs don't win games, only teams do.

So what's your point? Moore wasn't responsible for a top 5 offense when Dak was the QB because he wasn't a prototypical QB? Is Dak all-world and can improvise and overcome Moore's play-calling deficiencies because Moore can only call plays for prototypical QBs? But he's not all-world enough to take an offense to a SB so he needs a non-prototypical QB skilled OC who can help him every once in a while?

Montana and Young didn't have different "styles". They had different strengths and weaknesses among a shared, tangible set of skills that are required for QBs, e.g., Young could scramble better than Montana; Young had the stronger arm, but both were considered cerebral and quite accurate QBs, etc.

Yep. It’s a TEAM game. But for some if it’s a win it’s a team win but if it’s a loss then it’s Daks fault. Mistakes are made every game. When you get to the playoffs then teams talent is more evenly matched. That’s when you need staff. Your HC and OC and DC need to have his players in position to make plays. Sometimes it’s 1 or 2 plays that’s a difference maker. Either make the plays and win or miss it and lose.

 

[khiladi]

I will not pretend to be an NFL Guru. I did not know the dynamics of the Trey Lance situation nor did I understand the Magnitude of the Persona and the Player

This man has a Cult Following and those who argue in favor of Trey . . . Use the same exact Arguments and the same exact Energy as those who are accused of being Dak Lovers here.

Carbon Copy. Can't read defenses and is slow to react which causes late and inaccurate passes. Except the difference is that their paths are complete opposites. Dak is the Veteran that is expecting a Half a Billion in Cash from Jerry and maybe a Quarter Billion in endorsements. Lance is the kid that played 1 season in a Division 2 power house ( but what a season)

One is a Raw 23 year old the other is nearly a Billionaire . . . Both Can't read a defense and are late to react which leads to "Rushed" inaccurate throws. . . But Both have a Cult following

If any one believes Dak will finally figure it out are Die Hards but I will give Trey the benefit of the doubt. Dak played His whole College and NFL career, Trey is limited in experience but is still young and on the come up . . .

So if Trey comes in the worse you could expect is Dak "Lite" . . . It is gonna be nice to watch this Diamond in the rough develop.

Did you know that there are fans that are actively considering leaving San Fran and becoming Cowboy Fans . . . Both have a Cult Following that are eerily Similar

Go Lance . . . WE WANT LANCE

Yep, his profile is basically Dak all over again. He's a mess in the intermediate and short range and his decision making is off. But he's only played one real season and he's cheap.

 

[Hadenough]

He’s one of the highest rated QB’s under pressure.

Oh my bad! He sure showed that against the 49ers not once but twice. Man you and Nav 22 need to stop looking at stat and open your dam eyes!

 

[Dorsett33]

I will not pretend to be an NFL Guru. I did not know the dynamics of the Trey Lance situation nor did I understand the Magnitude of the Persona and the Player

This man has a Cult Following and those who argue in favor of Trey . . . Use the same exact Arguments and the same exact Energy as those who are accused of being Dak Lovers here.

Carbon Copy. Can't read defenses and is slow to react which causes late and inaccurate passes. Except the difference is that their paths are complete opposites. Dak is the Veteran that is expecting a Half a Billion in Cash from Jerry and maybe a Quarter Billion in endorsements. Lance is the kid that played 1 season in a Division 2 power house ( but what a season)

One is a Raw 23 year old the other is nearly a Billionaire . . . Both Can't read a defense and are late to react which leads to "Rushed" inaccurate throws. . . But Both have a Cult following

If any one believes Dak will finally figure it out are Die Hards but I will give Trey the benefit of the doubt. Dak played His whole College and NFL career, Trey is limited in experience but is still young and on the come up . .

So if Trey comes in the worse you could expect is Dak "Lite" . . . It is gonna be nice to watch this Diamond in the rough develop.

Did you know that there are fans that are actively considering leaving San Fran and becoming Cowboy Fans . . . Both have a Cult Following that are eerily Similar

Go Lance . . . WE WANT LANCE

The best statement about this post was you saying, "I will not pretend to be an NFL Guru." Everything else you said that followed that statement shows you're right....and not even close to be a Guru.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Here's what puzzles me. If a quarterback (Dak) can't read defenses.... how does a quarterback "not be able to read defenses" and somehow continue to work themselves into being a top 10 quarterback out of 95+ quarterbacks who are in the NFL every season for most of their career???

Dude you know they have been taught by boss puppydog to never engage in real facts... you know this, brighter side is mountain will get an angry email from his boss puppydog because he couldnt match this thread by posting something even more outlandish and backed up by no facts at all....

 

[Rockport]

Oh my bad! He sure showed that against the 49ers not once but twice. Man you and Nav 22 need to stop looking at stat and open your dam eyes!

I mic dropped you bro. Suck it up.

 

[GINeric]

Dude you know they have been taught by boss puppydog to never engage in real facts... you know this, brighter side is mountain will get an angry email from his boss puppydog because he couldnt match this thread by posting something even more outlandish and backed up by no facts at all....

That's why I call all of them cowards, because they run from real facts and their weak ***** hide all week after every win.

 

[GINeric]

The QB winning percentage is a bogus statistic. QBs don't win games, only teams do.

So what's your point? Moore wasn't responsible for a top 5 offense when Dak was the QB because he wasn't a prototypical QB? Is Dak all-world and can improvise and overcome Moore's play-calling deficiencies because Moore can only call plays for prototypical QBs? But he's not all-world enough to take an offense to a SB so he needs a non-prototypical QB skilled OC who can help him every once in a while?

Montana and Young didn't have different "styles". They had different strengths and weaknesses among a shared, tangible set of skills that are required for QBs, e.g., Young could scramble better than Montana; Young had the stronger arm, but both were considered cerebral and quite accurate QBs, etc.

No Dak is not all world. Dak however is a very good quarterback, not great.

And yes... Dak and the rest of our other offensive players had to overcome Kellen Moore's deficiencies. Moore wasn't intelligent enough to call plays that were working within the flow of the game.

Example: Our running backs would gash opposing defenses for 4, 5, 6 yards a pop and start wearing defenses down.... then it would be 2nd, 3rd, or 4th down and 2 yards or goal to go.


Kellen Moore would call three straight pass plays DESPITE the fact that we're averaging between 4 and 6 yards a carry. I'm sure you're a very intelligent person.... tell me what's wrong with Kellen Moore's in-game situational decision making......

And since you have such high praise for Kellen Moore. Where was the bidding war for his services once he was released from Dallas?

 

[SultanOfSix]

No Dak is not all world. Dak however is a very good quarterback, not great.

And yes... Dak and the rest of our other offensive players had to overcome Kellen Moore's deficiencies. Moore wasn't intelligent enough to call plays that were working within the flow of the game.

Example: Our running backs would gash opposing defenses for 4, 5, 6 yards a pop and start wearing defenses down.... then it would be 2nd, 3rd, or 4th down and 2 yards or goal to go.


Kellen Moore would call three straight pass plays DESPITE the fact that we're averaging between 4 and 6 yards a carry. I'm sure you're a very intelligent person.... tell me what's wrong with Kellen Moore's in-game situational decision making......

And since you have such high praise for Kellen Moore. Where was the bidding war for his services once he was released from Dallas?

Dude, you’re just talking out of your ***. Every OC has plays that don’t work because some player could screw things up, the defender could make an outstanding play, etc. There is another team trying to win the game too. The only way you can know who is at fault, why it didn’t work, etc., is by looking at the tape and assessing each player’s role and what did or didn’t happen.

And I didn’t give any praise to Moore in a single one of my responses. You’re the one who claimed he couldn’t call plays for Dak because he wasn’t a QB like Herbert.

 

[GINeric]

Dude, you’re just talking out of your ***. Every OC has plays that don’t work because some player could screw things up, the defender could make an outstanding play, etc. There is another team trying to win the game too. The only way you can know who is at fault, why it didn’t work, etc., is by looking at the tape and assessing each player’s role and what did or didn’t happen.

And I didn’t give any praise to Moore in a single one of my responses. You’re the one who claimed he couldn’t call plays for Dak because he wasn’t a QB like Herbert.

Guess what... when coaches like Belichick, McVay and Kyle Shanahan see that their running backs are averaging atleast 5 yards a carry.

Guess what plays these INTELLIGENT coaches gonna call on 2nd, 3rd and 4th and short or goal??? Thats right!!! They will call a run play!!!

Remember a few years ago when our defense got gashed for over 200 yards by the Rams??? Because McVay is SMART ENOUGH to keep doing what the defense are unable to stop!!

Kellen Moore was not intelligent enough to keep doing what was working. No how well we ran the ball, the idiot just had to keep calling pass plays and trick plays when the run game COULDN'T BE STOPPED!!

What is so hard for you to understand?? Did you go to the same school as Kellen Moore? Because that would be the only thing that explains why you don't see the overwhelming deficiencies in his low IQ, lack of in-game awareness, coaching style.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Guess what... when coaches like Belichick, McVay and Kyle Shanahan see that their running backs are averaging atleast 5 yards a carry.

Guess what plays these INTELLIGENT coaches gonna call on 2nd, 3rd and 4th and short or goal??? Thats right!!! They will call a run play!!!

Remember a few years ago when our defense got gashed for over 200 yards by the Rams??? Because McVay is SMART ENOUGH to keep doing what the defense are unable to stop!!

Kellen Moore was not intelligent enough to keep doing what was working. No how well we ran the ball, the idiot just had to keep calling pass plays and trick plays when the run game COULDN'T BE STOPPED!!

What is so hard for you to understand?? Did you go to the same school as Kellen Moore? Because that would be the only thing that explains why you don't see the overwhelming deficiencies in his low IQ, lack of in-game awareness, coaching style.

You're still talking out of your ***. You just claim Moore does all of these plays where he doesn’t call a run on short more often than not, or stops doing what’s working, or whatever, as if OCs aren’t supposed to mix up the play calling, BUT YOU HAVEN’T SHOWN Jack squat. And all of these supposed terrible decisions doesn’t explain why he ran a top 5 offense in the NFL. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[GINeric]

You're still talking out of your ***. You just claim Moore does all of these plays where he doesn’t call a run on short more often than not, or stops doing what’s working, or whatever, as if OCs aren’t supposed to mix up the play calling, BUT YOU HAVEN’T SHOWN Jack squat. And all of these supposed terrible decisions doesn’t explain why he ran a top 5 offense in the NFL. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.

I've shown plenty and so have our coaching staff. They're wise enough to know Moore was a trash coordinator, period.... and that's why they let his low football IQ *** go. Apparently you think he's good. That's all I need to hear from you. You apparently don't understand what it means to do the things the opposing defenses can't stop until they prove they can stop it.

You still haven't explained why multiple teams didn't come knocking down Kellen Moore's door for his services.

You won't answer it because you know you'll look stupid trying to justify the lack of calls he got from other teams.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I've shown plenty and so have our coaching staff. They're wise enough to know Moore was a trash coordinator, period.... and that's why they let his low football IQ *** go. Apparently you think he's good. That's all I need to hear from you. You apparently don't understand what it means to do the things the opposing defenses can't stop until they prove they can stop it.

You still haven't explained why multiple teams didn't come knocking down Kellen Moore's door for his services.

You won't answer it because you know you'll look stupid trying to justify the lack of calls he got from other teams.

Saying you’ve shown it without showing is just a lie.

And players, coordinators, employees, etc., depart for organizations, companies, etc., for a number of reasons, e.g., more pay, better opportunity, clash in personalities, differences in philosophy, etc., and it doesn’t have to do with a lack of skills or ability.

LOL. As for this idea that the organization letting a coach go shows how crappy they are, this is the same organization that kept Garrett for over a decade.

And you still keep ignoring the fact that Moore ran a top 5 offense in the league, and if he’s so crappy, why would the Chargers entrust him to coach and call plays for what most consider a top 5 QB in the league?

Oh I know, you’re a what they call a “Dak stan” here.

 

[GINeric]

Saying you’ve shown it without showing is just a lie.

And players, coordinators, employees, etc., depart for organizations, companies, etc., for a number of reasons, e.g., more pay, better opportunity, clash in personalities, differences in philosophy, etc., and it doesn’t have to do with a lack of skills or ability.

LOL. As for this idea that the organization letting a coach go shows how crappy they are, this is the same organization that kept Garrett for over a decade.

And you still keep ignoring the fact that Moore ran a top 5 offense in the league, and if he’s so crappy, why would the Chargers entrust him to coach and call plays for what most consider a top 5 QB in the league?

Oh I know, you’re a what they call a “Dak stan” here.

*** is a Dak stan??? Ahhh.... I see what this is now. You're starting to give off vibes of one of them weak, Dak hatin cowards.....

Nah, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan kid. I cheer for every player that wear the star on the side of their helmet.

Dak is a very good quarterback, but when Dallas finds a better quarterback to replace him, I will root for THAT quarterback. You're the one who brought Dak up in a Kellen Moore conversation, not me. Stick to the topic though lil guy, stop deflecting.

With that said, I have three clear questions. Just answer the questions and cut out all of the dodging. So, you keep mentioning the "top 5" offense as if Moore is some play calling guru, correct?? Ok...

1. If Moore was such a good coordinator WITH INTELLIGENT IN-GAME SITUATIONAL PLAY CALLING AND ADJUSTMENT SKILLS and that "top 5" offense meant something to all of the GMs around the NFL.... why haven't they contacted or came knocking down the Cowboys door for Moore's services??

2. Besides the Chargers, name just 5 other teams that wanted to bring in Moore for an interview.....

3. Do you think it's OK or smart for a offensive coordinator to call three straight pass plays in short yardage situations (2, or 3 yards to reach the line of gain) in games where your running backs are successfully averaging 5 or more yards per carry and the opposing defense has shown that they are having trouble stopping it??? (Kellen Moore has done this many times)

That's just 3 easy questions. I just want to see if you can put your big boy pants on and answer these simple questions without any deflecting. Stick to the questions asked....

 

[zrinkill]

What a silly biased thread