Something isn't right

[PA Cowboy Fan]

When Romo came along he was like a breath of fresh air for this franchise. All those stupid attempts to make a baseball pitcher a QB was so frustrating and everyone could see it wasnt going to work. Romo comes along and Parcells nailed it when he said dont get out the annointing oil! Nobody believed it including myself and I instantly became a Romo fan. Well these crazy mistakes he would make were just mistakes at first but over the years I was beginning to wonder. Even my father would chuckle and laugh as I would watch the Cowboy games screaming and cheering and in the end quiet with my head down. I went to the win and your in game against the Commanders who had RG3 and Morris and Romo got the ball back with 2 min left and I though he had a chance to win the game and boom another INT right in front of me. I was on the sidelines and had enough of his crap! I put that jersey in the closet and then gave it to goodwill. I knew right then Romo was freaking jinxed! Great guy but sorry buddy Im sick and tired of being disappointed. I dont hate him but sick and tired of his mistakes at crucial moments.

So from 2012 Ive been waiting for Dallas to go out and draft a 6-5 arm Philip Rivers type QB. Here comes Dak and I was like wow there is something about this kid I like. He was an underdog and he seemed calm under pressure and was very effective and I didnt have to worry about him getting hurt. But watching him there was something I couldnt put my finger on. People kept comparing him and Wentz and I would watch Wentz and was very impressed. Of course he was making all these WOW throws but his WRs were dropping them. Then I realized Dak isnt making any wow throws! He is throwing everything short! Then when I saw the Vikings and Giants shut him down at the end of 2016 I said wait a minute. He threw a couple deep balls that he had to take 3 steps to throw and put so much air under to get them deep I realized his arm strength is questionable. But the telling tale was when his mechanics were off and he was throwing short balls that were landing 15 feet in front of the WR who was running a simple 5 - 7 yard out. In 40 years of watching football I have seen tons of QBs arm a ball like those and they lose accuracy but never does the ball land 15 feet short.
These were all question marks for me going into 2017.
I dont need to go into 2017 but yes he was figured out and he is going to struggle because of his inabilty to throw the ball into tight windows with velocity. The reason I say with velocity is because once the ball is in the air the CB is going to try and break on the ball if the window is tight and if Dak floats the ball just a little bit it will get picked off. He stays away from throws like that and against better teams in the playoffs you will have to make some throws like that to win! Sure he is gonna beat up on weaker teams but struggle against good teams. Thats why I am not sold on Dak and why It may sound like I disrespect what he has done.

Totally agree with everything you said about Romo. I've been a harsh critic of his on here for years but it wasn't always that way. When Tony started I was a big fan. I didn't really have my doubts until Cabo. And then all that Jessica Simpson crap. It was like he wanted to be a celebrity QB . He should have listened to Parcells. But I also thought maybe he's just young. And then as the years went by it got worse with the mistakes and all. And then people anointed him as some HOF QB that's better than our two HOF QBs. I started softening my position on him in 2014 when I saw what he did with a running game. I think Tony was good enough to win a SB if he had a balanced team. I think he tried to do too much because he had to overcome the bad coaching he had here in Dallas. It sure wasn't because he didn't have some good players but he sure needed something so he didn't have to try to throw the ball every which way to win. I'll never forget games were we had a big lead and he still would throw the ball all over the place. Some of those games we lost.

As for Dak, I'm being cautious. I think fans who say he's a flop or even those who think he's a franchise QB are both wrong because we still don't know yet. If Dak continues to regress I won't hesitate to jump on the we need a new QB bandwagon. But I think he deserves a chance to prove what he's got one way or another.

 

[DallasEast]

Now let's discuss a more realistic period of time that both have already logged into the books. (Easy right... We aren't speaking in probables..)

Who has suffered the greatest wrath from our fans in their first two years?

Golden Boy Romo or Dakota?

lol.

Why is Romo not “Antonio” instead of “Golden Boy” but Prescott is “Dakota” instead of <fill in the blank>?

You are a CowboysZone original, Bleu.

Answer: Romo. Revisionist history can be put into play but Romo dealt with the k-ball Seattle game fumble and the divisional round Giants loss his first two years. Sprinkle in the Cabo nonsense, etc. But hey. YOU say tomato and I say tomahto.

 

[Bleu Star]

lol.

Why is Romo not “Antonio” instead of “Golden Boy” but Prescott is “Dakota” instead of <fill in the blank>?

You are a CowboysZone original, Bleu.

Answer: Romo. Revisionist history can be put into play but Romo dealt with the k-ball Seattle game fumble and the divisional round Giants loss his first two years. Sprinkle in the Cabo nonsense, etc. But hey. YOU say tomato and I say tomahto.

Lol... I value your opinion.

Given what each did in their first 2 years, who suffered more vitriol in that period of time in relation to their performance both on and off the field? Romo or Prescott?

In other words, when comparing everything we as fans dealt with in the first 2 years of each QBs tenure, which one has suffered the most in terms of "unfair" criticism?

It's an easy answer. Just need a name sir.

 

[waving monkey]

When Romo came along he was like a breath of fresh air for this franchise. All those stupid attempts to make a baseball pitcher a QB was so frustrating and everyone could see it wasnt going to work. Romo comes along and Parcells nailed it when he said dont get out the annointing oil! Nobody believed it including myself and I instantly became a Romo fan. Well these crazy mistakes he would make were just mistakes at first but over the years I was beginning to wonder. Even my father would chuckle and laugh as I would watch the Cowboy games screaming and cheering and in the end quiet with my head down. I went to the win and your in game against the Commanders who had RG3 and Morris and Romo got the ball back with 2 min left and I though he had a chance to win the game and boom another INT right in front of me. I was on the sidelines and had enough of his crap! I put that jersey in the closet and then gave it to goodwill. I knew right then Romo was freaking jinxed! Great guy but sorry buddy Im sick and tired of being disappointed. I dont hate him but sick and tired of his mistakes at crucial moments.

So from 2012 Ive been waiting for Dallas to go out and draft a 6-5 arm Philip Rivers type QB. Here comes Dak and I was like wow there is something about this kid I like. He was an underdog and he seemed calm under pressure and was very effective and I didnt have to worry about him getting hurt. But watching him there was something I couldnt put my finger on. People kept comparing him and Wentz and I would watch Wentz and was very impressed. Of course he was making all these WOW throws but his WRs were dropping them. Then I realized Dak isnt making any wow throws! He is throwing everything short! Then when I saw the Vikings and Giants shut him down at the end of 2016 I said wait a minute. He threw a couple deep balls that he had to take 3 steps to throw and put so much air under to get them deep I realized his arm strength is questionable. But the telling tale was when his mechanics were off and he was throwing short balls that were landing 15 feet in front of the WR who was running a simple 5 - 7 yard out. In 40 years of watching football I have seen tons of QBs arm a ball like those and they lose accuracy but never does the ball land 15 feet short.
These were all question marks for me going into 2017.
I dont need to go into 2017 but yes he was figured out and he is going to struggle because of his inabilty to throw the ball into tight windows with velocity. The reason I say with velocity is because once the ball is in the air the CB is going to try and break on the ball if the window is tight and if Dak floats the ball just a little bit it will get picked off. He stays away from throws like that and against better teams in the playoffs you will have to make some throws like that to win! Sure he is gonna beat up on weaker teams but struggle against good teams. Thats why I am not sold on Dak and why It may sound like I disrespect what he has done.

there have been good Super Bowl winning QBs that had OK arm strength. There have been QBs come into to the league with bad foot work.
Your observations are correct but your snap judgements aren't. Dak should preform well this year or I'll take your judgement more seriously.

 

[hornitosmonster]

People can hide in their basement and talk crap. Truth is that very few really know the game of football and many are not Cowboys fans and are simply trolls. That's social media for you

 

[DallasEast]

Lol... I value your opinion.

Given what each did in their first 2 years, who suffered more vitriol in that period of time in relation to their performance both on and off the field? Romo or Prescott?

In other words, when comparing everything we as fans dealt with in the first 2 years of each QBs tenure, which one has suffered the most in terms of "unfair" criticism?

It's an easy answer. Just need a name sir.

Perhaps you did not read the entire post to the point where I stated “Answer: Romo”. Your follow-up reply and question does not change my original answer whatsoever.

You know who would be a good critic to pose your viewpoint? Deion Sanders. I bet he would agree with your take without hesitation. /sarcasm

 

[Bleu Star]

Perhaps you did not read the entire post to the point where I stated “Answer: Romo”. Your follow-up reply and question does not change my original answer whatsoever.

You know who would be a good critic to pose your viewpoint? Deion Sanders. I bet he would agree with your take without hesitation. /sarcasm

I'll respectfully agree to disagree (as usual). Romo's criticism was fully warranted.

 

[LocimusPrime]

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Totally agree with everything you said about Romo. I've been a harsh critic of his on here for years but it wasn't always that way. When Tony started I was a big fan. I didn't really have my doubts until Cabo. And then all that Jessica Simpson crap. It was like he wanted to be a celebrity QB . He should have listened to Parcells. But I also thought maybe he's just young. And then as the years went by it got worse with the mistakes and all. And then people anointed him as some HOF QB that's better than our two HOF QBs. I started softening my position on him in 2014 when I saw what he did with a running game. I think Tony was good enough to win a SB if he had a balanced team. I think he tried to do too much because he had to overcome the bad coaching he had here in Dallas. It sure wasn't because he didn't have some good players but he sure needed something so he didn't have to try to throw the ball every which way to win. I'll never forget games were we had a big lead and he still would throw the ball all over the place. Some of those games we lost.

As for Dak, I'm being cautious. I think fans who say he's a flop or even those who think he's a franchise QB are both wrong because we still don't know yet. If Dak continues to regress I won't hesitate to jump on the we need a new QB bandwagon. But I think he deserves a chance to prove what he's got one way or another.

very reasonable and logical take

 

[LocimusPrime]

When Romo came along he was like a breath of fresh air for this franchise. All those stupid attempts to make a baseball pitcher a QB was so frustrating and everyone could see it wasnt going to work. Romo comes along and Parcells nailed it when he said dont get out the annointing oil! Nobody believed it including myself and I instantly became a Romo fan. Well these crazy mistakes he would make were just mistakes at first but over the years I was beginning to wonder. Even my father would chuckle and laugh as I would watch the Cowboy games screaming and cheering and in the end quiet with my head down. I went to the win and your in game against the Commanders who had RG3 and Morris and Romo got the ball back with 2 min left and I though he had a chance to win the game and boom another INT right in front of me. I was on the sidelines and had enough of his crap! I put that jersey in the closet and then gave it to goodwill. I knew right then Romo was freaking jinxed! Great guy but sorry buddy Im sick and tired of being disappointed. I dont hate him but sick and tired of his mistakes at crucial moments.

So from 2012 Ive been waiting for Dallas to go out and draft a 6-5 arm Philip Rivers type QB. Here comes Dak and I was like wow there is something about this kid I like. He was an underdog and he seemed calm under pressure and was very effective and I didnt have to worry about him getting hurt. But watching him there was something I couldnt put my finger on. People kept comparing him and Wentz and I would watch Wentz and was very impressed. Of course he was making all these WOW throws but his WRs were dropping them. Then I realized Dak isnt making any wow throws! He is throwing everything short! Then when I saw the Vikings and Giants shut him down at the end of 2016 I said wait a minute. He threw a couple deep balls that he had to take 3 steps to throw and put so much air under to get them deep I realized his arm strength is questionable. But the telling tale was when his mechanics were off and he was throwing short balls that were landing 15 feet in front of the WR who was running a simple 5 - 7 yard out. In 40 years of watching football I have seen tons of QBs arm a ball like those and they lose accuracy but never does the ball land 15 feet short.
These were all question marks for me going into 2017.
I dont need to go into 2017 but yes he was figured out and he is going to struggle because of his inabilty to throw the ball into tight windows with velocity. The reason I say with velocity is because once the ball is in the air the CB is going to try and break on the ball if the window is tight and if Dak floats the ball just a little bit it will get picked off. He stays away from throws like that and against better teams in the playoffs you will have to make some throws like that to win! Sure he is gonna beat up on weaker teams but struggle against good teams. Thats why I am not sold on Dak and why It may sound like I disrespect what he has done.

Excellent write up.

 

[DallasEast]

I'll respectfully agree to disagree (as usual). Romo's criticism was fully warranted.

Oh. Believe me. I am not trying to change your mind but an observation based on your opinion that “Romo's criticism was fully warranted” as it pertains to your original question:

Now let's discuss a more realistic period of time that both have already logged into the books. (Easy right... We aren't speaking in probables..)

Who has suffered the greatest wrath from our fans in their first two years?

Golden Boy Romo or Dakota?

In my opinion, your “fully warranted” wraith towards Romo was echoed by enough like-minded individuals during his initial two years at starter. And that the accumulative passion towards Romo greatly exceeded that which has been directed at Prescott thus far by comparison.

Okay. Gotta make that work commute since I am late already. Way late.

 

[viman96]

In his first 2 years?????

Cute statement but completely wrong.

Over the course of his career, yes sure.

Multiply the bull crap hate Dak has received over the course of his first 2 years out over a 10 year career and it would completely eclipse anything Tony dealt with.

Funny thing is... Our helter skelter fan base didn't give Dak much grief in his 1st year. They couldn't. His improbable performance in his 1st year kept them at bay.

That second year though..... The gates of hell opened.

Sad

PS... Romo replaced the unpopular Drew Bleedslow and everyone wanted that to happen when it did... I distinctively recall an extended honeymoon phase with Romo.

This is fun.

There is nothing in the OP about limiting to the first 2 years. And I did mention (later in the thread) that all the crap with Romo started in his first 2 years of starting (first 3 years he was the backup). End of year 4 (botched FG) is where it started and really got cranked up end of year 5 with the Cabo trip and the playoff loss to the Giants.

 

[Doomsday101]

Danny White caught a lot of hell, it got to the point even his wife would get confronted at the store. Dak is the QB and he will be fighting off critics until this team wins it all. I have seen many Cowboy players get unfair treatment but that is how it is.

 

[viman96]

Not in his first two years. Romo didn't get any "crap" at all then.

Dak was thrust into the line up as a rookie and some people expect him to look like Romo did in year eight.

Romo received a ton of crap his 1st 2 years as the starting QB. End of 2006 botched FG and 2007 the media was all over him for the Cabo trip and playoff loss to the Giants.

 

[Jake]

Romo received a ton of crap his 1st 2 years as the starting QB. End of 2006 botched FG and 2007 the media was all over him for the Cabo trip and playoff loss to the Giants.

I love how the years Romo spent learning on the bench don't count. Had Dak been afforded that luxury we'd still be awaiting his first NFL snap, so he's got a head start on Romo in the "crap" department.

Dak's playoff sin was throwing for 300 yards and 3 TDs on a day the defense decided not to show up until halftime, before folding like a cheap suit (again) in the game's final seconds.

 

[Bleu Star]

Oh. Believe me. I am not trying to change your mind but an observation based on your opinion that “Romo's criticism was fully warranted” as it pertains to your original question:

In my opinion, your “fully warranted” wraith towards Romo was echoed by enough like-minded individuals during his initial two years at starter. And that the accumulative passion towards Romo greatly exceeded that which has been directed at Prescott thus far by comparison.

Okay. Gotta make that work commute since I am late already. Way late.

Again, just for the record, I disagree.

 

[Bleu Star]

There is nothing in the OP about limiting to the first 2 years. And I did mention (later in the thread) that all the crap with Romo started in his first 2 years of starting (first 3 years he was the backup). End of year 4 (botched FG) is where it started and really got cranked up end of year 5 with the Cabo trip and the playoff loss to the Giants.

I don't particularly care what length of time the OP considered for debate. I prefer to speak in absolutes.

In his "first two years starting" who suffered more unfair criticism from our helter skelter fans? Tony or Dak?

Tony: mid season 2006 to mid season 2008
Dak: 2016, 2017

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't particularly care what length of time the OP considered for debate. I prefer to speak in absolutes.

In his "first two years starting" who suffered more unfair criticism from our helter skelter fans? Tony or Dak?

Hard to say. Tony was replacing Bleadsoe and Vinny not to mention the Hensons, Hutchinson and others. Tony was at least a spark but still caught hell. Dak comes off an outstanding rookie season and played about avg last season and caught hell I think mainly by those who were upset the Romo was not allowed to get his job back. I learned a long time ago, life is not fair so you go out and do the best you can and let the chips fall where they may. If Dak can help this team to a championship many of the critics will die down, if not he better than thick skin because it will not stop

 

[SoupcanSam]

He played his part well in year 1. Yes. Teams figured out what he does well and what he doesn't in year 2 and they took away his easy reads. He needs to figure out how to overcome that in year 3. I want Dak to succeed. I just don't want everyone from the receivers, the scheme or coaching to be the scapegoat. That's getting old.

I don't think it was dak that got figured out, it was the coaches that got figured out. They are the goofs that need to prove they can bring creativity to the table this year. Dak is just doing the same ole **** he is told to do by the incompetent.

 

[Bleu Star]

Hard to say. Tony was replacing Bleadsoe and Vinny not to mention the Hensons, Hutchinson and others. Tony was at least a spark but still caught hell. Dak comes off an outstanding rookie season and played about avg last season and caught hell I think mainly by those who were upset the Romo was not allowed to get his job back. I learned a long time ago, life is not fair so you go out and do the best you can and let the chips fall where they may. If Dak can help this team to a championship many of the critics will die down, if not he better than thick skin because it will not stop

You nailed it... That's where I've been going with my questioning but no one would bite until you grabbed the hook.

Tony replaced the grossly unpopular Bleedslow.
Dak replaced the statue memorialized Romo.

Dak's battle will continue to be uphill primarily due to that stark difference.

Just to be fair, I'll answer my own question. Both have suffered their fair shares of unfair criticism but the level of unfairness heaved at Dak has been greater than anything Tony suffered in his first 2 years starting.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

wait wait wait....who is trashing Dak? you mean criticism and its now exaggerated to being trashing Dak. why so sensitive? Aikman was criticized. Romo was criticized and now dak is being criticized and people are digging into two decade old articles and posts and exaggerate that Dak is being bashed and trashed!!! come on....

there are facts about Dak, when Zeke is behind him, the team seems to be top 5 offense and Dak fits right in. when Zeke is not there, even with the OL without injuries the team struggled mightily and Dak was average. Without Zeke we have a losing record. had a bottom 5 offense. Does he have potential? yes, but he needs to take the next step and that remains to be seen. at this point, Zeke is the offensive MVP, with Smith second behind him. the question we don't know is if another QB with Zeke would have similar or better results. there is no denying that Dak is not accurate and his WRs need to work hard for him. He is not Aikman. He is not Romo and the coaches are trying to adjust to his playability.

the question we have to answer is do we hand him a $120 million contract? are we ready to take that kind of a cap hit. right now Dak is middle of the pack NFL QB. there is nothing bad or wrong or trashy about that. its just not putting him on a pedestal and making him into something he is not.