Something isn't right

[coult44]

Lost me as a fan right here...This play tells me everything I need to know. We still need a QB. Might be one of the dumbest plays I've seen a QB make. This is a mistake a Jr high QB makes....not some seasoned pro.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don’t think Dak has an issue handling criticism, or at least I haven’t seen an issue yet.

Us posters on a message board....... that’s a different story

Right.. that’s what I meant.

There’s no room for sensitivity in a fan forum . It’s brutal . Lol

Shoot , we have Cowboy fans attacking each other cause they can’t handle a player being criticized. It’s laughable. These aren’t our kids.

They’re some millionaire jocks on our favorite team that couldn’t give a crap about us. They’re trying to pass drug test, slapping around their women getting away with all kinds of juvenile stuff we’d all be thrown in jail for and will hop to the next team for a bigger buck. Good grief..

 

[HungryLion]

How could the creator of that video, not include the Touchdown pass to Dez against Pittsburgh as one of the top 10 plays?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Lol... I value your opinion.

Given what each did in their first 2 years, who suffered more vitriol in that period of time in relation to their performance both on and off the field? Romo or Prescott?

In other words, when comparing everything we as fans dealt with in the first 2 years of each QBs tenure, which one has suffered the most in terms of "unfair" criticism?

It's an easy answer. Just need a name sir.

Well Romo's first two years weren't like Dak's first two years. the situation was completely different. So I don't understand the point really you are trying to make. 2006 Romo took over for the established Drew Bledsoe. 2007 Romo went 13-3. So thats two good years for romo, minus his Seatle mistake at the end of the season in 2006. And the atmosphere was totally different, with us fans having to suffer through the Quency Carter era and Testaverty era after the Aikman era. So we were happy to have a breath of fresh air like someone put it with Romo, after having to suffer through some bad quarterbacks. Dak on the other hand followed Romo, who despite his critics, wasn't a bad quarterback. I like Romo, and he was coming close to the end of his game anyway. I was hoping two have him two more years before passing the reigns onto Dak. Dak had that amazing 2016 season, but maybe he would've been even better if he had learned under romo, and maybe that is what showed in 2017. It may have been that Dak would be more advanced at this stage of his career if Romo had retired this year, and Dak started his first game this year, after learning for 2 years. Anyway Dak is our quarterback and I will be cheering him on this season, hoping for another 13-3 but It all depends on how he develops in the offseason at this point for me.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I guarantee that if dak wins a SB these are the excuses that will be lined up:

-because running game
-because oline
-because top 5 defense
-because coaching(desperation move)

I feel its more likely if the cowboys go 5-11 there will be excuses line up:
-because of the wide receivers
-because of the oline
-because of the defense
-because of coaching

 

[Aviano90]

I don’t let the Dak hate bother me. The overwhelming majority of it comes from Romo hanger-ons that never wanted Dak to play. I dismiss everything they say.

Unfortunately there aren’t enough unbiased posters to discuss his weaknesses rationally to make it worth weeding through all the crap Romo lovers flood the board with. If I want to talk to the Romo lovers about QBs I will just bash their hero like they bash Dak.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

No way in hell. The way Romo is bowed down to by fans you would have thought he surpassed aikman and staubach combined in SB's.

Had he actually won one there is no way anything else gets the credit.

I remember romo being criticized as much as Dak. I remember people wanting to replace romo and starting the team over from scratch. I do remember Romo having his defenders, but the homerism seems a lot higher for Dak than it did for Romo. Or I don't remember people making excuses for when romo gambled and made an interception. That was a bad romo trait that would win you some games and lose you others. There were other times when Romo got killed because of a bad offensive line and people would criticize him and romo defenders would validly imo say that no quarterback would flourish under those conditions. I always respected others opinions when it came to them criticizing him for throwing too many interceptions, but I was like wait a second, when they start talking about replacing him with a backup, because I remember the time period between Aikman and Romo, and I remember how bad the quarterback situation can get. So I was like you need to have someone better, either by drafting or free agency, that you can replace him with before you replace him.

Anyway I think it takes more than two years to properly evaluate a quarterback. Dak has a lot of potential to be special I think. He learned some things faster than Romo did, like I was impressed that he threw the ball before getting to the line of scrimage when under pressure instead of just running with it in 2016. I was impressed by a lot of things. He looked like a very smart and confident quarterback. But 2017 is another story, the dreaded quarterback slump, and I still have questions about his accuracy for deep passes. In 2016, I liked when people compared him to McNabb but more accurate, but well McNabb was able to be a deep threat seemingly better than Dak has so far and with lesser receivers at times. Like I said before, we'll know who Dak is by the end of this season, so let it play out before making judgements.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I'm sorry but romo never had a lightning quick release. Romo always had a wind-up and was always criticized for his weird throwing motion.

People continue to build romo into the QB he never was even after retirement.

If that is true, how come I remember commentators talking about romo having a quick release in more than one game? Anyone else remember this? XD

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I don’t let the Dak hate bother me. The overwhelming majority of it comes from Romo hanger-ons that never wanted Dak to play. I dismiss everything they say.

Unfortunately there aren’t enough unbiased posters to discuss his weaknesses rationally to make it worth weeding through all the crap Romo lovers flood the board with. If I want to talk to the Romo lovers about QBs I will just bash their hero like they bash Dak.

The ones who keep bringing up Romo are the Dak crowd though. I've moved on from Romo. I'm behind Dak atm. But I'm not a homer.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Romo had one of the quickest releases in the game. That's not opinion, that's fact.

It's weird that someone would argue that he didn't have a quick release, considering how many times I heard commentators during the games bring it up. It's almost as if they didn't watch the games to not remember hearing it being mentioned.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

There was a lot of bashing in the forums, I get confused when folks say crap about Dak, I often wonder if they are actual football fans or just people to like to talk.
I say that because I totally agree with you, any football fan can look at his stats (for 2 years) and see he is a good QB with potential to be a great one.
It only gets better!!

It's because they've seen the actual game. And then heard it being discussed on sports radio and reading about it during the season last year. Dak's 2016 stats were so off the charts good that combining the 2017 stats will also make the overall stats still look better than they are. The sample size is too small with just two years.

 

[kskboys]

Those are not facts buddy, they are pick and choose film to try an prove a point. Romo had a whole career and never consistently had a fast release. The guy had a wind up and an odd throwing motion.

I guess a bag off Skittles come in all green since you picked out all the green ones and told everybody that's what it was!

Get over the Romo obsession already.

I neither love nor hate Romo. Just a good QB who was never given the right pieces to work w/.

Romo was terrible on the slant and end zone fade. Never was the best at reading a D.

However, he had an incredibly quick release. Not sure why you're trying to claim pure fallacies as facts, but I guess everyone has their little numnums.

 

[DFWJC]

If that is true, how come I remember commentators talking about romo having a quick release in more than one game? Anyone else remember this? XD

Yeah. If there was one thing that Romo most certainly had, it was a VERY quick release.
Almost mind boggling that anyone could watch him over time and not at least see that.

They even did a study on it....called it lightening quick and timed it at 0.26 seconds, or faster than Marino’s 0.30.
Makes one wonder what else a person cannot see if they couldnt even see that quick release.

 

[DFWJC]

...

Those are not facts buddy, they are pick and choose film to try an prove a point. Romo had a whole career and never consistently had a fast release. The guy had a wind up and an odd throwing motion.

I guess a bag off Skittles come in all green since you picked out all the green ones and told everybody that's what it was!

Get over the Romo obsession already.

you're way out bounds on this release thing, Soup.
WAY off.
Its like you were watching an entirely different player by what you're describing.
Byron Leftwich had a wind-up delivery
Romo was almost the exact opposite

This has nothing to do with liking him as a QB, this is just plain truth. His release was very, very quick and compact.

 

[DakBringMeBack]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

Dak is awesome. You made a great post. Never seen more idiots in my life in any fan base; let alone ours. It’s really strange.

It does remind me of Eli Manning before he won his first super bowl. A lot of how giants fans acted. They were quiet after that

 

[Bleu Star]

You pretty much summed up my other post earlier in the thread...

Well Romo's first two years weren't like Dak's first two years. the situation was completely different. So I don't understand the point really you are trying to make. 2006 Romo took over for the established Drew Bledsoe. 2007 Romo went 13-3. So thats two good years for romo, minus his Seatle mistake at the end of the season in 2006. And the atmosphere was totally different, with us fans having to suffer through the Quency Carter era and Testaverty era after the Aikman era. So we were happy to have a breath of fresh air like someone put it with Romo, after having to suffer through some bad quarterbacks. Dak on the other hand followed Romo, who despite his critics, wasn't a bad quarterback. I like Romo, and he was coming close to the end of his game anyway. I was hoping two have him two more years before passing the reigns onto Dak. Dak had that amazing 2016 season, but maybe he would've been even better if he had learned under romo, and maybe that is what showed in 2017. It may have been that Dak would be more advanced at this stage of his career if Romo had retired this year, and Dak started his first game this year, after learning for 2 years. Anyway Dak is our quarterback and I will be cheering him on this season, hoping for another 13-3 but It all depends on how he develops in the offseason at this point for me.

Right here....

You nailed it... That's where I've been going with my questioning but no one would bite until you grabbed the hook.

Tony replaced the grossly unpopular Bleedslow.
Dak replaced the statue memorialized Romo.

Dak's battle will continue to be uphill primarily due to that stark difference.

Just to be fair, I'll answer my own question. Both have suffered their fair shares of unfair criticism but the level of unfairness heaved at Dak has been greater than anything Tony suffered in his first 2 years starting.

Uphill battle for Dak replacing the godlike Romo. Who did Romo replace? Drew Bledslug... Romo's first two years starting should have been a walk in the park and all the criticism he received was warranted.

Dak's first two years.... Year 1. The haters looked but couldn't speak because he did unreal things. Year 2? The haters made up for being muted in year 1.

Most unfair criticism in his first two years? Dak by a mile.

Lame.

 

[DallasEast]

Fans turned the other cheek on Romo? Geez I remember people wanting Romo benched and to start the backup QB and crazy things like that.

The criticism Dak is getting might be on par with what Romo has gotten, but its certainly not been for as long.

That assumption is akin to two golfers sinking both their shots in three strokes on a par three hole but one of the golfers finished the tournament at minus 11 and the other golfer ended at plus two.

 

[Floatyworm]

You have the nerve to be condescending about anyone’s football knowledge after your idiotic opinions about Kellen Moore????



That was, seriously, the single stupidest evaluation of a player’s talent the internet has ever seen. You should be ashamed of yourself.


You’re funny, but don’t be silly. He didn’t panic. He over threw Zeke. The second went off Dez’s hands.

Pay attention.

Dude...I saw it live....in person...from about 100 yards away...It was the worst panick move in what was essentially a playoff game. He choked when it mattered most. Told me everything I needed to see about him. The guy is a bust.... and won't amount to more than Quincy Carter 2.0. And IMO...It's just a matter of time before he looks like this....

You can't tell me that video of him in the club w/ a blunt....is something you build a franchise around. Sorry..not buying it.

 

[pansophy]

If that is true, how come I remember commentators talking about romo having a quick release in more than one game? Anyone else remember this? XD

Absolutely. There was a segment about it at one point. It wasn't as fast as Marino or Brady, but it was close.

 

[DallasEast]

Dude...I saw it live....in person...from about 100 yards away...It was the worst panick move in what was essentially a playoff game. He choked when it mattered most. Told me everything I needed to see about him. The guy is a bust.... and won't amount to more than Quincy Carter 2.0. And IMO...It's just a matter of time before he looks like this....

You can't tell me that video of him in the club w/ a blunt....is something you build a franchise around. Sorry..not buying it.

Quincy Carter/Dak Prescott is as bad a comparable argument as the current Romo/Prescott equivalent criticism rationalization.