Something new from Roy in coverage yesterday

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he now breaks the wrong way in coverage. Thats an added twist to his puzzling coverage skills. Not only cant he run with WR and TE anymore...no longer does he take poor angles....no longer is he poor in blitzing ability...but he now breaks the wrong way in coverage and lacks closing speed to make up for it. In my 25+ years of watching the cowboys....I have never seen a player free fall into obscurity like this guy.
 

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I can't argue with any of that. Its all true.

He doesn't look like the same person this year. Not saying he was great in covereage prior to this year, but now, its almost as if you pulled someone out of the stands and put Roys jersey on them.

He looks THAT inept.
 

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Wood;1776372 said:
he now breaks the wrong way in coverage. Thats an added twist to his puzzling coverage skills. Not only cant he run with WR and TE anymore...no longer does he take poor angles....no longer is he poor in blitzing ability...but he now breaks the wrong way in coverage and lacks closing speed to make up for it. In my 25+ years of watching the cowboys....I have never seen a player free fall into obscurity like this guy.
Y'know...if you think about it and look at the numbers...since he got married, things have just gone down hill.

Maybe he's too happy? He has no anger to take to the football field. hehe
 

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The tv replay only showed part of the story. Not sure if a WR broke into the middle which caused Roy to stutter step the wrong direction.

He definitely looked lost in coverage.

Cooley and Shockey have over 200 yards combined against us in two back to back games.
 

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I have been one of his biggest defenders for a while but no longer. I stopped after the Chicago game. There was no excuse for breaking the other way on the Cooley TD. He should have at least closed on him and tried to lay him out.
 

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Quite honestly, I don't think Roy has any football instincts. The TD to Cooley is a perfect example. Why in the world he turned his hips is beyond me. He had to see that the middle of the field was wide open, yet he turns to the sideline to begin to sprint back. Well, he was already near the goalline, why sprint back? He should've kept his hips square and held his ground.

Having said that, I'm not sure what his responsibility was on that play. This is just my opinion on Roy's coverage skills. I think he simply lacks instincts.

Did I mention he can't play the ball in the air?
 

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I've been quiet for a long time because I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but I think if Jerry and Wade want this team to take the next step, they're gonna need to bite the bullet and replace Roy.
 

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Any chance James was to stay with Cooley to the inside, while Roy had the outside?
 

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Wood;1776372 said:
he now breaks the wrong way in coverage. Thats an added twist to his puzzling coverage skills. Not only cant he run with WR and TE anymore...no longer does he take poor angles....no longer is he poor in blitzing ability...but he now breaks the wrong way in coverage and lacks closing speed to make up for it. In my 25+ years of watching the cowboys....I have never seen a player free fall into obscurity like this guy.
i must admit i did laugh, even though it's not funny. :(

i posted yesterday wrong-way-Roy is the nickname he rightfully earned.
 

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Dtk is right on. You can't tell me the last two coaching staffs didn't teach proper technique. He absolutely, positively lacks instincts. Not INTELLIGENCE mind you, but the uncanny ability or 6th sense to anticipate which way a play or receiver is going to go. Some safeties have it: Ed Reed, Woodson, Lott, and some don't. Sad but true.
 

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DTK;1776408 said:
Quite honestly, I don't think Roy has any football instincts. The TD to Cooley is a perfect example. Why in the world he turned his hips is beyond me. He had to see that the middle of the field was wide open, yet he turns to the sideline to begin to sprint back. Well, he was already near the goalline, why sprint back? He should've kept his hips square and held his ground.

Having said that, I'm not sure what his responsibility was on that play. This is just my opinion on Roy's coverage skills. I think he simply lacks instincts.

Did I mention he can't play the ball in the air?

Cooley gave a quick fake to the outside. Roy bit. It is not an excuse nor a good play on Roy's part, but a lot of defensive backs bite on those fakes. It is not as if Roy turn his hips to the outside just randomly, which I have seem some posts seem to indicate.

"I think I will turn my hips for no reason whatsoever". That is not what happened. He got juked. Still bad, but different.
 

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VACowboy;1776415 said:
I've been quiet for a long time because I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but I think if Jerry and Wade want this team to take the next step, they're gonna need to bite the bullet and replace Roy.

With who?
 

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EPL0c0;1776385 said:
Y'know...if you think about it and look at the numbers...since he got married, things have just gone down hill.

Maybe he's too happy? He has no anger to take to the football field. hehe
Since Kelly Rowland DUMPED HIM (she was his fiance) he semingly lost his football mojo.

Related or coincidence we'll never know and it doesn't matter.

His contract seemed to overinflate his head, and his constant state of denial and anger with the media is not something i like, but could overlook if he lived up to his salary and #8 overall pick.

This might be our last year with him, if not certainly next.
 

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EPL0c0;1776385 said:
Y'know...if you think about it and look at the numbers...since he got married, things have just gone down hill.

Maybe he's too happy? He has no anger to take to the football field. hehe

Usually guys are more angry AFTER they get married. :bang2:

It's more likely that he's now P.... Whipped :lmao2:
 

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chinch;1776433 said:
Since Kelly Rowland DUMPED HIM (she was his fiance) he semingly lost his football mojo.

Somebody bring her back...
 

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They threw 55 passes yesterday. Chris Cooley is an elite TE. Eventually, everyone on our defense looked foolish - 55 passes and a faltering pass rush will do that to you.

I'm good with what Roy is. As a SS, he's average in coverage. I don't even think anyone could mention many more SS's who are better in coverage than he is, and if they did, it would all be conjecture anyway. The "Roy bashers" are right - he isn't great in coverage. Not may SS's are. The problem I am having with him currently is that he isn't making game-changing plays all that often. I can live with a few mishaps in coverage, because those happen to all safeties. But, the elite ones make the opposition pay by making nice breaks on balls, nabbing INTs and making bone-jarring hits.

So far this season, Roy really has only 2-3 outstanding plays. He made IIRC a great pass-defense on an out that he jumped in game 1 against the Giants, he defensed another pass saving a TD against the Vikings, and this week he made an outstanding open field tackle against Cooley to prevent a first down.

Are these enough to justify his standing as an elite safety in the mind of our fan base?

I'm not sure. My once sparkling opinion of Roy is diminished this season.

But still - we had 30+ passes completed on us yesterday. And you'd struggle to put more than 8 of those on Roy, I think. Yet he's the player we focus on. Would we do the same to Hamlin for not dropping deep if Campbell and Moss could have connected on that TD where Reeves was beaten badly? I doubt it.

So, the Roy bashers toss out hyperbole in the form of "sucks", etc. - and the "Roy homers" don't want to hear that junk. And so we have 200+ post threads where neither side is willing to find any sort of middle ground. Personally, I'm sick to death of it. I wish Roy would make some big plays. I wish Jacques Reeves didn't suck so hard. I wish Ken Hamlin didn't miss tackles and make over-aggressive breaks on play and pump-fakes. I wish Terrence Newman had better hands. I wish Anthony Henry was healthy. I wish I could enjoy Cowboyszone without being bombarded with hyperbolic Anti-and Pro-Roy flame fests after a dramatic win over a division rival to put my Dallas Cowboys at 9-1, the best Cowboys squad I've ever seen.

I'm out of the Roy sucks/doesn't suck business. Too much hassle for a player who isn't making enough big plays for my tastes. How 'bout that DeMarcus Ware? How 'bout that TO? How 'bout that Tony Romo? How 'bout them 9-1 Dallas Cowboys? Life's pretty good for a Cowboys fan right now. The pettiness is unnecessary.
 

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Overhyped
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Overprotected
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Outahere!!!!:mad:
 

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joseephuss;1776426 said:
Cooley gave a quick fake to the outside. Roy bit. It is not an excuse nor a good play on Roy's part, but a lot of defensive backs bite on those fakes. It is not as if Roy turn his hips to the outside just randomly, which I have seem some posts seem to indicate.

"I think I will turn my hips for no reason whatsoever". That is not what happened. He got juked. Still bad, but different.
That's my point. He gave a head and shoulder fake to the outside while Roy was still 7-10 yards from him. I can see that fake working if Roy is right up on him tight in coverage. But Roy was near the goalline. He needed to keep his hips square and break on the ball. He's so "gunshy" about getting beat deep that he's ready to sprint back even when he's already at the goalline. Getting beat deep is in his psyche and it shows. Similar to Steve Sax or Chuck Knoblauch when they could no longer throw to first base from second.
 

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ps - the mods should limit the Roy discussion to one mega-master thread. keep merging new threads.
 
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