Sources: Ronald Leary has requested trade from Cowboys

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes. But you'd have paid him 2.53m.

You'd pay him this for this year and then nothing next year? I don't see the problem here.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You'd pay him this for this year and then nothing next year? I don't see the problem here.

I'm not interested in paying 2.53m to a backup guard who can't be active on game days because he lacks all position flex for a year to then turnaround and lose him for nothing.

I'd rather keep that money get a pick and move on.

Why is this confusing?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not interested in paying 2.53m to a backup guard who can't be active on game days because he lacks all position flex for a year to then turnaround and lose him for nothing.

I'd rather keep that money get a pick and move on.

Why is this confusing?

You're not interested? Is it breaking your bank account? He's insurance for when or if our linemen get hurt. That's far more valuable to me then a 6th round pick or saving 2.5 million that we won't even use.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You're not interested? Is it breaking your bank account? He's insurance for when or if our linemen get hurt. That's far more valuable to me then a 6th round pick or saving 2.5 million that we won't even use.

He's insurance if exactly one of our lineman gets hurt (Collins).

What makes you confident Leary can step in at RG on a moment's notice?

We know he can't play center or tackle.

And there is no single deal that can "break a team's bank." It is the accumulation of smaller bad decisions that does just that.

And do you know how you increase your likelihood of stealing a Richard Sherman or Tom Brady? Or acquiring ammo to move up and get your guy?

It's called pick accumulation. I'd much rather acquire a pick, save money and find a backup guard who has position flex... MUCH RATHER... than pay Leary and then lose him for nothing.

 

[CashMan]

He's insurance if exactly one of our lineman gets hurt (Collins).

What makes you confident Leary can step in at RG on a moment's notice?

We know he can't play center or tackle.

And there is no single deal that can "break a team's bank." It is the accumulation of smaller bad decisions that does just that.

And do you know how you increase your likelihood of stealing a Richard Sherman or Tom Brady? Or acquiring ammo to move up and get your guy?

It's called pick accumulation. I'd much rather acquire a pick, save money and find a backup guard who has position flex... MUCH RATHER... than pay Leary and then lose him for nothing.

If someone else gets hurt, Collins moves there.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Cap space. We don't need no stinking cap space. You don't win any awards for cap space plus you can manipulate it. Giants just spent 200 million and if they wanted to sign more, they could call the head bean counter and tell him to make it work and rework deals to free up space. Plus the cap has been going up 10 mill each year for the last couple of years.

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[speedkilz88]

Cap space. We don't need no stinking cap space. You don't win any awards for cap space plus you can manipulate it. Giants just spent 200 million and if they wanted to sign more, they could call the head bean counter and tell him to make it work and rework deals to free up space. Plus the cap has been going up 10 mill each year for the last couple of years.

They have to look beyond this year in cap to make sure they can re-sign Fred, Martin, La'el. Fred will have an extension year next but the team will likely want to go ahead and extend him. Then the year after it will be Martin in the same boat and after this year La'el will be eligible for re-negotiation.

 

[Nightman]

He's insurance if exactly one of our lineman gets hurt (Collins).

What makes you confident Leary can step in at RG on a moment's notice?

We know he can't play center or tackle.

And there is no single deal that can "break a team's bank." It is the accumulation of smaller bad decisions that does just that.

And do you know how you increase your likelihood of stealing a Richard Sherman or Tom Brady? Or acquiring ammo to move up and get your guy?

It's called pick accumulation. I'd much rather acquire a pick, save money and find a backup guard who has position flex... MUCH RATHER... than pay Leary and then lose him for nothing.

You won me over at least....

if he doesn't even suit up then see what you can get and save the 2.5m......in fact I would cut a few other over-priced back-ups and trade for an impact player or roll it over to next year....

Leary 2.5m - trade
Wilcox 1.8m - cut
Gachkar 1.8 - cut
DMC 2.1m - cut
Church 4.75m - trade
TMcClain 1m - cut

 

[waldoputty]

You won me over at least....

if he doesn't even suit up then see what you can get and save the 2.5m......in fact I would cut a few other over-priced back-ups and trade for an impact player or roll it over to next year....

Leary 2.5m - trade
Wilcox 1.8m - cut
Gachkar 1.8 - cut
DMC 2.1m - cut
Church 4.75m - trade
TMcClain 1m - cut

dont quite agree.
Leary is backup for G.
Lonnie is backup more for C and emergency G (Leary will play the next game if Collins or Martin get hurt for some time).
You have Green and Brown backing up OT.
that is ok depth but not great depth.

you also probably cannot cut Wilcox AND Church.

would prefer:
Leary - keep and get comp pick later.
Wilcox - keep because he is cheaper and hopefully 6th round S plays ok.
Church - cut and save 4.75M unless he will renegotiate
Gachkar cut and save $1.8<
McClain - cut and save $1M
DMC can only be cut if rookie 6th round can play

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You won me over at least....

if he doesn't even suit up then see what you can get and save the 2.5m......in fact I would cut a few other over-priced back-ups and trade for an impact player or roll it over to next year....

Leary 2.5m - trade
Wilcox 1.8m - cut
Gachkar 1.8 - cut
DMC 2.1m - cut
Church 4.75m - trade
TMcClain 1m - cut

Remember net savings will be around $500k less on each of these moves since a bottom salary moves up. Saving 2m on Leary and losing a quality reserve for a 6th round pick (what Broaddus suggests we can get) isn't really worth it.

I like Gachkar, a jack of all trades, but don't see a spot for him with the starting 3 plus Wilson, Hitchens and Smith. Maybe he sticks since Smith likely doesn't play this year.

DMC is the guy that makes the most sense to get rid of....trade would be better than outright release. He doesn't fit the system as well as the other two do and that makes him expendable.

Cowboys still consider Church a leader so don't expect him to go anywhere.

I'd love to drop McClain and pick up Freeney.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Saving 2m on Leary and losing a quality reserve for a 6th round pick (what Broaddus suggests we can get) isn't really worth it.

No it isn't. Especially if the comp pick we get is higher.

 

[waldoputty]

Remember net savings will be around $500k less on each of these moves since a bottom salary moves up. Saving 2m on Leary and losing a quality reserve for a 6th round pick (what Broaddus suggests we can get) isn't really worth it.

I like Gachkar, a jack of all trades, but don't see a spot for him with the starting 3 plus Wilson, Hitchens and Smith. Maybe he sticks since Smith likely doesn't play this year.

DMC is the guy that makes the most sense to get rid of....trade would be better than outright release. He doesn't fit the system as well as the other two do and that makes him expendable.

Cowboys still consider Church a leader so don't expect him to go anywhere.

I'd love to drop McClain and pick up Freeney.

dont know about freeney because so many of the players may be 3rd down specialists, particularly gregory, tapper, collins etc.
possible cuts like wilcox, church, mcclain, gachkar, dmc are among the last cuts.
injuries would determine a lot of these.

part of me still think 3-4 can be played with this personnel.
gregory and tapper would make interesting blize lb's.
this would utilize gregory ability while protecting him from being mauled like what happened with ware in 4-3
also can play to strength of tapper - speed but lower agility
collins - thornton (big NT e.g. walker/coe) - tcrawford (irving)
lawrence (tapper/mayowa) - Rmcclain (smith/wilson) - lee (nzeocha/hitchens) - gregory (mayowa/tapper)

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No it isn't. Especially if the comp pick we get is higher.

What makes you think someone is going to sign Leary to a big money deal after having not played for two years?

 

[cowboyblue22]

leary has his feelings hurt he don't want tobe in dallas any longer hope they can find a trade for him so he can move on it will cause trouble in the locker room if he tries to stay or they make him stay.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He's insurance if exactly one of our lineman gets hurt (Collins).

What makes you confident Leary can step in at RG on a moment's notice?

We know he can't play center or tackle.

And there is no single deal that can "break a team's bank." It is the accumulation of smaller bad decisions that does just that.

And do you know how you increase your likelihood of stealing a Richard Sherman or Tom Brady? Or acquiring ammo to move up and get your guy?

It's called pick accumulation. I'd much rather acquire a pick, save money and find a backup guard who has position flex... MUCH RATHER... than pay Leary and then lose him for nothing.

Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick so I understand that. I'm not against trading Leary for a 5th rounder. But a 6th rounder? There's only one Tom Brady in the league. Good luck trying to find the next one. Either way, we will have a 6th rounder and if we want another 6th rounder we can accumulate as many as we want being teams don't really value them. Talk to me about pick accumulation when they are 5th rounders or higher.

I'm not confident Leary can step right in at RG. Apparently his team is since they refuse to trade him.

 

[waldoputty]

Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick so I understand that. I'm not against trading Leary for a 5th rounder. But a 6th rounder? There's only one Tom Brady in the league. Good luck trying to find the next one. Either way, we will have a 6th rounder and if we want another 6th rounder we can accumulate as many as we want being teams don't really value them. Talk to me about pick accumulation when they are 5th rounders or higher.

I'm not confident Leary can step right in at RG. Apparently his team is since they refuse to trade him.

the strength of the team is the ol - we are going to weaken our most proven depth at ol in leary?
we did not draft a replacement yet.

look at the alternative - looney.
i think leary is a much better player that can backup both guard spots.
remember martin was hurt last year in camp.
looney is mostly for c and same-game emergency guard backup.
if starting g is hurt for more than 1 game, leary will start.

our backups at ot is stronger - green and brown.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I don't get why he's so butt hurt. For one Lael is the better player. We paid Leary a lot of money as a UFA. We were willing to take a chance on his knee. And he only had 1 year where he was "really good"

 

[Nightman]

the strength of the team is the ol - we are going to weaken our most proven depth at ol in leary?
we did not draft a replacement yet.

look at the alternative - looney.
i think leary is a much better player that can backup both guard spots.
remember martin was hurt last year in camp.
looney is mostly for c and same-game emergency guard backup.
if starting g is hurt for more than 1 game, leary will start.

our backups at ot is stronger - green and brown.

He isn't even going to dress......2.5m is way too much for an insurance policy for one position....most OTs can slide inside if Looney couldn't handle it.....we know Free can

 

[Nightman]

No it isn't. Especially if the comp pick we get is higher.

Comp picks are far from guaranteed....even if we do sign less than we lose the players lost have to play all year and the pick is then delayed a year.....he would have to sign for 7m to get a 4th in 2018.........plus a 2.5m cap hit can get you a 6m a year player in exchange.....one who dresses and contributes