Spears Injured

[BigDFan5]

*sigh*



BTW, "down end" means hand on the ground.

No kidding. The fact remains if we were a full time 4-3 team and he had to choose Ware or Coleman to play DE he would choose Ware every day of the week

 

[AsthmaField]

Parcells said he wouldn't use Ware as a DE 70 snaps a game. Said he just wouldn't and that it'd be a mistake.

He said Ware might could play a few snaps there but he wouldn't want him to grapple with a OT very often during a game.

If we were a fulltime 4-3 team... Ware would be a situational pass rusher. So by going back to a 4-3, we would be making our top rookie a part time player instead of a full time player and we would be making Coleman and Canty play in a scheme that they aren't suited for.

By staying 3-4 we have Ware as a fulltime player at OLB and Coleman and Canty in schemes that they play much better in. It helps all three of those players by staying 3-4.

Also, The immediate backup at NT is Glover, so the rotation there is Fergy and Glover.

In a 4-3 the starters are Fergy and Glover. The immediate backups are Carson and Brooks (?)... so the rotation is Fergy/Glover and then Carson/Brooks. We have better depth at DT/NT in the 3-4.

Ellis is the only one who's really better off in a 4-3... yet he seems to be adjusting just fine to a 3-4.

Given all of that... I can't imagine why we'd go back to a 4-3 and have Ware a part time guy, Coleman much less effective, Canty much less effective, and a weaker rotation on the inside at tackle.

It just doesn't make sense.

 

[blindzebra]

Mind? Why would anyone mind? You're just showing a non-playoff game, against a non-playoff team. :

But seriously, if you look at the clip closely (and I know you think you have), ...if Pinkston was thinking he could probably have gotten a pass interference call. In fact, it was pass interference!The Skins defender wasn't looking at the ball and was zeroing-in on Pinskton for the contact. Uncertain where they were on the field, but it looks like Skins territory.

You really struck a nerve on this one -- good thing it's 2004! But I'd even risk Pinkston doing his "allegator arm" attempt again if it meant he wasn't injured. He's still a valuable member of the Eagles! Get well soon Pinkston.

No way in hell that was PI, the ball was almost hitting the ground behind him when there was contact.

 

[AsthmaField]

No kidding. The fact remains if we were a full time 4-3 team and he had to choose Ware or Coleman to play DE he would choose Ware every day of the week

Not on running downs. Parcells already said he wouldn't play Ware fulltime at DE... he won't do it. That puts Coleman (who isn't effective in a 4-3) at end at least half the time.

 

[InmanRoshi]

No kidding. The fact remains if we were a full time 4-3 team and he had to choose Ware or Coleman to play DE he would choose Ware every day of the week

You're hiliarious .... You accuse me of acting like I'm "in Parcells head", then turn around and say that Parcells doesn't really mean what came out of his mouth.

 

[Doomsday101]

No way in hell that was PI, the ball was almost hitting the ground behind him when there was contact.

Your not kidding you can see him looking at the ball then quickly looking at the DB coming in his direction. That was purely a case of a player giving up on the ball so he could avoid contact

 

[speedkilz88]

IMO, Charles Haley's back problems were do to playing fulltime DE for the Cowboys at his LB type size. Thats why I would prefer Ware play LB in a 3-4.

 

[blindzebra]

If losing Spears kills the 3-4 we were not ready to run it full time anyway.

This means we will play more 4-3, some 3-4, along with the nickel.

Ware will play in all 3 in some fashion.

 

[AsthmaField]

Your not kidding you can see him looking at the ball then quickly looking at the DB coming in his direction. That was purely a case of a player giving up on the ball so he could avoid contact

To me it looks like Pinskston sees the ball and then notices the defender running towards him. He knows the defender is between him and where the ball will come down and he aborts.

What that means is open to interpretation.

If he had kept watching the ball, kept running and tried to make the catch, it probably would've been pass interference because the defender would've gotten there before Pinky got to the ball.

He didn't though... he bailed out. Was it because he was scared? I'm not sure... it could've only been because he instincively moved when he was on a collision course with the guy and it was clear he was going to be hit before he could get to the ball.

Or he might have been worried he'd get a bobo.

 

[InmanRoshi]

IMO, Charles Haley's back problems were do to playing fulltime DE for the Cowboys at his LB type size. Thats why I would prefer Ware play LB in a 3-4.

And I don't think its a coincidence that John Abraham is falling apart at the end of each season since Herm Edwards converted him into a hand on the ground DE.

 

[Kilyin]

Or he might have been worried he'd get a bobo.

Or as John Madden would say, "When you talk about being scared to go over the middle, this is what you're talking about"

 

[LaTunaNostra]

And I don't think its a coincidence that John Abraham is falling apart at the end of each season since Herm Edwards converted him into a hand on the ground DE.

Johnny's weak abdominal walls and recurring hernia/groin issues are beyond Herm's control, I think.

So was his very common knee injury.

Moving John to part time to 3-4 OLB did nothing to prevent them.
Btw, Abe's first "sports hernia" came in 2000, under Al Groh in Tuna's 3-4, and limited him to six games played his rookie year..

 

[blindzebra]

To me it looks like Pinskston sees the ball and then notices the defender running towards him. He knows the defender is between him and where the ball will come down and he aborts.

What that means is open to interpretation.

If he had kept watching the ball, kept running and tried to make the catch, it probably would've been pass interference because the defender would've gotten there before Pinky got to the ball.

He didn't though... he bailed out. Was it because he was scared? I'm not sure... it could've only been because he instincively moved when he was on a collision course with the guy and it was clear he was going to be hit before he could get to the ball.

Or he might have been worried he'd get a bobo.

The ball appears to land at least 3 yards behind and toward Pinkston from the angle the DB took. The ball was coming into view at the time he slowed down and turned away from the DB.

For PI the contact has to be before the ball arrived, this was not the case.

 

[dougonthebench]

I think they should amputate both legs just as a premeptive strike against him injuring his other knee, what do you think?

yeah,He's done.Put a fork in Him!

 

[Doomsday101]

To me it looks like Pinskston sees the ball and then notices the defender running towards him. He knows the defender is between him and where the ball will come down and he aborts.

What that means is open to interpretation.

If he had kept watching the ball, kept running and tried to make the catch, it probably would've been pass interference because the defender would've gotten there before Pinky got to the ball.

He didn't though... he bailed out. Was it because he was scared? I'm not sure... it could've only been because he instincively moved when he was on a collision course with the guy and it was clear he was going to be hit before he could get to the ball.

Or he might have been worried he'd get a bobo.

I don't think it would have been pass interference skin player looked like he knew exactly where the ball was and ended up not hitting Pinky in the end. I think it is a simple case of hearing footsteps and stopping on the play. I know if one of our guys does that I'd be p!ssed and I know Parcells would be as well

 

[RedLine]

I don't think it would have been pass interference skin player looked like he knew exactly where the ball was and ended up not hitting Pinky in the end. I think it is a simple case of hearing footsteps and stopping on the play. I know if one of our guys does that I'd be p!ssed and I know Parcells would be as well

Only an eagles fan could see it any other way. :iggles:

 

[AsthmaField]

The ball appears to land at least 3 yards behind and toward Pinkston from the angle the DB took. The ball was coming into view at the time he slowed down and turned away from the DB.

For PI the contact has to be before the ball arrived, this was not the case.

Like I said... that's how I see it. The ball looks like it's landing in front of Pinkston to me and that had he kept running, with his eyes on the ball, instead of quitting, it might have been PI.

I could be wrong though...

I don't really care... I'm just glad that gutless jellyfish isn't a Cowboy.

 

[Kilyin]

I don't really care... I'm just glad that gutless jellyfish isn't a Cowboy.

lmao.

I think that ball was catchable. I guarantee Glenn or Johnson would've at least tried.

My pocket psychic doesn't have any news on Spears' amputation, stay tuned.

 

[Sarge]

At least Kenyon Coleman is reported to be having a great camp.

He was alo reported as having a very good camp LAST year too fwiw.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He was alo reported as having a very good camp LAST year too fwiw.

We were told we would be "OK" at corner too!

And don't forget the fiasco at the safety postion.

Why do I feel like the wheels sorta come off our defensive cart today?