Spencer breaks our non-arrest record... arrested outside bar early Sun

[Doomsday101]

I'll help him out, seeing as character issues are kind of a big deal and Spencer is the last person I'd see this coming from.

Does anyone know if we're going to get fined for his arrest?

Not sure but I think teams are only fined when the player has a history of problems. As far as I know this is Spencer’s 1st off the field issue, I hope he learns from it and it does not become a problem. No reason to think it will but that really is up to Spencer

 

[5Countem5]

I'll help him out, seeing as character issues are kind of a big deal and Spencer is the last person I'd see this coming from.

Does anyone know if we're going to get fined for his arrest?

Do you think everyone who has been arrested on something like that has a "character issue" or is it just a poor choice in a bad situation?

 

[TheCount]

Do you think everyone who has been arrested on something like that has a "character issue" or is it just a poor choice in a bad situation?

Getting wasted, punching bouncers at a club when you're making millions of dollars and then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them and refusing to leave is a bit more than a "poor choice in a bad situation". Any one of those things might be a poor choice, all of them is a character concern.

It's his first offense, so that helps him, but that doesn't change the nature of what happened.

 

[jterrell]

All this means is Spencer misses 2-4 games.

Since he may well have been hurt anyways it just means the team can give Greg Ellis his warm, loved feelings and name him starter.

It also means we need a 3rd OLB for a few games so hopefully we keep one on the roster this year who can play some.

 

[pgreptom]

Getting wasted, punching bouncers at a club when you're making millions of dollars and then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them and refusing to leave is a bit more than a "poor choice in a bad situation". Any one of those things might be a poor choice, all of them is a character concern.

It's his first offense, so that helps him, but that doesn't change the nature of what happened.

Let me get your story straight.

You've never been drunk?

Do you think it's not okay for athletes to get drunk?

Daring the police to arrest him? I read that he said "Go ahead, I don't care" after being told he was going to be arrested. What the hell is he supposed to do, cry like a baby? There's nothing you can say in that situation, so what the hell does it matter? It's not like they would have let him go if he would have sat down and said, "Man, I've made a mistake. I'm sorry."

Cursing at "them"? You're making it seem as if he cursed at the Police. That's an interesting statement. I didn't read any article that said he cursed at Police. I read he cursed at the staff on his way out. I take it you've never cursed at anyone while drunk?!?!

Once again, refusing to leave?? You've never been to a bar, and been totally drunk - and didn't want to leave? Geeze. Ok, try to remember that situation, and then put a couple million dollars in your pocket, and try to imagine what you "might" do.

So, out of your little argument here, I have come to three conclusions:

1) Either you've never been drunk at a bar,

2) You're honestly a goodie two shoes who's never done a thing wrong in his life,

3) You're being really silly trying to say this guy has "bad character" because he got drunk at a bar and didn't want to leave.

Have you EVER been to a bar? Those bouncers tend to try to be hardasses in attempt to influence people not to "question" when they say to leave. He may have thrown punches, but I'd love to find out what provoked those punches.

I don't think he's a bad character guy; I think you're being too judgmental, and over-reacting...

I think he was drunk, and made some bad decisions. Well, that's not too bad - I'd probably say 10% of this worlds population exists because people were drunk and made some "bad decisions". It doesn't make them bad people. Alcohol makes you do funny things, and if you want to label this guy a "bad character/questionable guy" because he did something semi-stupid while drunk, you are ridiculous. There are a lot of people in this world who have done the exact thing - myself included. I don't think I'm a bad buy, or I'm of "questionable" character because I did something stupid while drunk. The key is not letting yourself get to that point, enjoying a few drinks while keeping it at a buzz level so you can still make fundamental decisions. The guy is 24 years old, has millions of dollars, and made his first mistake while in the pros. If this was a repeat problem - it might be an issue.

Lighten up on the guy.

 

[TheCount]

Let me get your story straight.

You've never been drunk?

Do you think it's not okay for athletes to get drunk?

Daring the police to arrest him? I read that he said "Go ahead, I don't care" after being told he was going to be arrested. What the hell is he supposed to do, cry like a baby? There's nothing you can say in that situation, so what the hell does it matter? It's not like they would have let him go if he would have sat down and said, "Man, I've made a mistake. I'm sorry."

Cursing at "them"? You're making it seem as if he cursed at the Police. That's an interesting statement. I didn't read any article that said he cursed at Police. I read he cursed at the staff on his way out. I take it you've never cursed at anyone while drunk?!?!

Once again, refusing to leave?? You've never been to a bar, and been totally drunk - and didn't want to leave? Geeze. Ok, try to remember that situation, and then put a couple million dollars in your pocket, and try to imagine what you "might" do.

So, out of your little argument here, I have come to three conclusions:

1) Either you've never been drunk at a bar,

2) You're honestly a goodie two shoes who's never done a thing wrong in his life,

3) You're being really silly trying to say this guy has "bad character" because he got drunk at a bar and didn't want to leave.

Have you EVER been to a bar? Those bouncers tend to try to be hardasses in attempt to influence people not to "question" when they say to leave. He may have thrown punches, but I'd love to find out what provoked those punches.

I don't think he's a bad character guy; I think you're being too judgmental, and over-reacting...

I think he was drunk, and made some bad decisions. Well, that's not too bad - I'd probably say 10% of this worlds population exists because people were drunk and made some "bad decisions". It doesn't make them bad people. Alcohol makes you do funny things, and if you want to label this guy a "bad character/questionable guy" because he did something semi-stupid while drunk, you are ridiculous. There are a lot of people in this world who have done the exact thing - myself included. I don't think I'm a bad buy, or I'm of "questionable" character because I did something stupid while drunk. The key is not letting yourself get to that point, enjoying a few drinks while keeping it at a buzz level so you can still make fundamental decisions. The guy is 24 years old, has millions of dollars, and made his first mistake while in the pros. If this was a repeat problem - it might be an issue.

Lighten up on the guy.

Are you for real? You must be king of the enablers.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let me get your story straight.

You've never been drunk?

Do you think it's not okay for athletes to get drunk?

Daring the police to arrest him? I read that he said "Go ahead, I don't care" after being told he was going to be arrested. What the hell is he supposed to do, cry like a baby? There's nothing you can say in that situation, so what the hell does it matter? It's not like they would have let him go if he would have sat down and said, "Man, I've made a mistake. I'm sorry."

Cursing at "them"? You're making it seem as if he cursed at the Police. That's an interesting statement. I didn't read any article that said he cursed at Police. I read he cursed at the staff on his way out. I take it you've never cursed at anyone while drunk?!?!

Once again, refusing to leave?? You've never been to a bar, and been totally drunk - and didn't want to leave? Geeze. Ok, try to remember that situation, and then put a couple million dollars in your pocket, and try to imagine what you "might" do.

So, out of your little argument here, I have come to three conclusions:

1) Either you've never been drunk at a bar,

2) You're honestly a goodie two shoes who's never done a thing wrong in his life,

3) You're being really silly trying to say this guy has "bad character" because he got drunk at a bar and didn't want to leave.

Have you EVER been to a bar? Those bouncers tend to try to be hardasses in attempt to influence people not to "question" when they say to leave. He may have thrown punches, but I'd love to find out what provoked those punches.

I don't think he's a bad character guy; I think you're being too judgmental, and over-reacting...

I think he was drunk, and made some bad decisions. Well, that's not too bad - I'd probably say 10% of this worlds population exists because people were drunk and made some "bad decisions". It doesn't make them bad people. Alcohol makes you do funny things, and if you want to label this guy a "bad character/questionable guy" because he did something semi-stupid while drunk, you are ridiculous. There are a lot of people in this world who have done the exact thing - myself included. I don't think I'm a bad buy, or I'm of "questionable" character because I did something stupid while drunk. The guy is not letting yourself get to that point, enjoying a few drinks while keeping it at a buzz level so you can still make fundamental decisions.

Lighten up on the guy.

Please excusing bad behavior is stupid, Spencer screwed up and because some guys go out and get drunk does not make any less of a screw up. This ideal of challenging the cop because he should not cry like a baby? he should be acting like an adult to begin with. Your logic is very flawed

 

[pgreptom]

You must be the key of worry-wogs while crying about every single issue. I'd bet you're an extreme pessimist, too.

I think you're drastically making this situation worse than it is. I'd bet all charges, if pressed, will be dropped.

Sorry we don't agree on principles here, I just think your logic is farcicle. How you can judge a 24 year old millionaire, and label him of "questionable" character, for going out with his agent, and having a a couple of drinks, and just taking it too far and making some bad decisions - is beyond me.

What makes it even more mind-boggling is that in your own argument - your points are typed out as to make the situation worse than it was, ie " then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them" - making it seem as if he was cursing at the police who were telling him they were going to arrest him.

Everyone makes mistakes in this world. No-one is perfect. The fact that you're judging a 24 year old kid who has never had any kind of issues like this in the past - on his first mistake - is mind boggling.

 

[pgreptom]

Please excusing bad behavior is stupid, Spencer screwed up and because some guys go out and get drunk does not make any less of a screw up. This ideal of challenging the cop because he should not cry like a baby? he should be acting like an adult to begin with. Your logic is very flawed

I'm not excusing bad behavior. He is human, and he will make mistakes. He's not the first 24 year old who became a millionaire to make mistakes. I'm saying, labeling this guy of "questionable" character, is ridiculous.

I think your understanding is flawed, not my logic.

My point was what difference does it make WHAT someone says to a cop after being told you're going to be arrested? Have you EVER been in that situation? There's nothing you can remotely say to effect the situation one way or another, so what difference does it make what he chooses to say. He could have done something extremely stupid, like trying to resist arrest.

I think anyone will say what he did was a mistake, Spencer included. That's not a secret. I just think labeling him for life off of a mistake when he's 24, rich, drunk, and with his agent, is ridiculous.

 

[Doomsday101]

You must be the key of worry-wogs while crying about every single issue. I'd bet you're an extreme pessimist, too.

I think you're drastically making this situation worse than it is. I'd bet all charges, if pressed, will be dropped.

Sorry we don't agree on principles here, I just think your logic is farcicle. How you can judge a 24 year old millionaire, and label him of "questionable" character, for going out with his agent, and having a a couple of drinks, and just taking it too far and making some bad decisions - is beyond me.

What makes it even more mind-boggling is that in your own argument - your points are typed out as to make the situation worse than it was, ie " then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them" - making it seem as if he was cursing at the police who were telling him they were going to arrest him.

Everyone makes mistakes in this world. No-one is perfect. The fact that you're judging a 24 year old kid who has never had any kind of issues like this in the past - on his first mistake - is mind boggling.

24 is an adult I treat adults as adults and children as children. Spencer is not child and he has been talked to as have all NFL players who enter the league about behavior and the traps not to fall into. I'm not saying he should be cut but I'm not going to make excuses for him as you are acting like it is alright no big deal

 

[TheCount]

You must be the key of worry-wogs while crying about every single issue. I'd bet you're an extreme pessimist, too.

I think you're drastically making this situation worse than it is. I'd bet all charges, if pressed, will be dropped.

Sorry we don't agree on principles here, I just think your logic is farcicle. How you can judge a 24 year old millionaire, and label him of "questionable" character, for going out with his agent, and having a a couple of drinks, and just taking it too far and making some bad decisions - is beyond me.

What makes it even more mind-boggling is that in your own argument - your points are typed out as to make the situation worse than it was, ie " then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them" - making it seem as if he was cursing at the police who were telling him they were going to arrest him.

Everyone makes mistakes in this world. No-one is perfect. The fact that you're judging a 24 year old kid who has never had any kind of issues like this in the past - on his first mistake - is mind boggling.

I'm making the situation worse? If only I had that kind of power. I never labeled Spencer anything, I said what happened Sunday is a character CONCERN, not an issue. I even bolded it and put it in italics, and you still didn't understand my point.

 

[Wrangler87]

I'm stupid for thinking that bringing in a criminal mentality to the locker room is having a negative effect on the younger players? This is the kind of crap Tank and Pacman are famous for. The fact that their attitude has probably rubbed off on Spencer isn't the least bit surprising.

Spencer had no history of behavior like this prior to signing with the Cowboys.

I don't think this is really a huge deal, because he'll likely get a slap on the wrist since nobody was hurt, but these are the results you get when you start bringing in lowlifes.

Post of the week.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

You must be the key of worry-wogs while crying about every single issue. I'd bet you're an extreme pessimist, too.

I think you're drastically making this situation worse than it is. I'd bet all charges, if pressed, will be dropped.

Sorry we don't agree on principles here, I just think your logic is farcicle. How you can judge a 24 year old millionaire, and label him of "questionable" character, for going out with his agent, and having a a couple of drinks, and just taking it too far and making some bad decisions - is beyond me.

What makes it even more mind-boggling is that in your own argument - your points are typed out as to make the situation worse than it was, ie " then daring the police to arrest you, cursing at them" - making it seem as if he was cursing at the police who were telling him they were going to arrest him.

Everyone makes mistakes in this world. No-one is perfect. The fact that you're judging a 24 year old kid who has never had any kind of issues like this in the past - on his first mistake - is mind boggling.

Don't want to speak for anyone here but I think he got the part about cursing at the police and refusing to leave from news reports that describe him as having cursed at the police and refused to leave. Doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

But, hey, maybe I'm just another teetotalling pessimist.

For the record, I don't think this is that bad by NFL standards and it is his first offense, as far as I know. It just doesn't do anybody any favors to ignore/disregard the parts of this story that are negative.

 

[Doomsday101]

Don't want to speak for anyone here but I think he got the part about cursing at the police and refusing to leave from news reports that describe him as having cursed at the police and refused to leave. Doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

But, hey, maybe I'm just another teetotalling pessimist.

For the record, I don't think this is that bad by NFL standards and it is his first offense, as far as I know. It just doesn't do anybody any favors to ignore/disregard the parts of this story that are negative.

One thing for sure his benefit of the doubt went out the window as from here on out any other screw ups will carry a tougher penalty with the NFL. I just hope Spencer learns from his mistakes and avoids them in the future.

 

[5Countem5]

One thing for sure his benefit of the doubt went out the window as from here on out any other screw ups will carry a tougher penalty with the NFL. I just hope Spencer learns from his mistakes and avoids them in the future.

We should just cut his drunken butt and save all of you the worry...

 

[Doomsday101]

We should just cut his drunken butt and save all of you the worry...

I have no issue with giving a guy a chance. He made a mistake if it becomes habit then yes I would cut him or any other player on the team.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Getting arrested doesn't equal guilt. When will you people, and society at large, figure that out? Or do you even care? It's not like the cops don't ever go over the line. Anyone see the videotape of what happened in Oakland? Disorderly conduct is often one of the biggest BS charges they throw at you. Say one word to a cop they don't like and you could be facing a Disorderly charge. A charge that ends up getting dropped later, but not until after you have been booked, had your name dragged through the mud and paid thousands of dollars for a lawyer. That's one of the ways cops "teach people a lesson" even when they know the person isn't really guilty of a crime. That said, if he's guilty: CUT HIM!

I will go one further.
Being convincted does not necessarily mean a person is guilty.
It is rare that an inmate says he's guilty as convicted.
We need to give our arrestees and felons some credit. When they say they are innocent we should give them the benefit of the doubt, by heck!

 

[wileedog]

I will go one further.
Being convincted does not necessarily mean a person is guilty.
It is rare that an inmate says he's guilty as convicted.
We need to give our arrestees and felons some credit. When they say they are innocent we should give them the benefit of the doubt, by heck!

I think the cops are just in league with the media.

This is clearly Ed Werder's fault.

 

[alancdc]

Romo going to Cabo obviously had something to do with this.

 

[links18]

i feel almost exactly the opposite ....i kinda figure that innocent people dont get arrested and in trouble with the law at 3 am ,for not leaving a closed bar and taking swings at bouncers............

If you're ever called to serve on a jury, I hope you make your sentiments known before the trial starts. This is why if I ever get arrested I am going for bench trial. no way I want to put my fate in the hands of a jury composed of a bunch of people who don't understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty.