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Watch the story of the first Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson. The addition of Norv Turner at OC was the big difference maker. I could see something similar playing out under Garrett with the right mix at coordinator. I think DC is already set so an OC that knows how to use Dak properly is all that is missing.
I don't even know.

But if memory does not fail me..

when Jerry was looking at Phillips..

Norval was in line for the job and Jones pulled a Crazy Ivan on Norv and hired Phillips.


Not sure he would come here and be Garrett's savior.

Because that is what you would be doing.

I would be very surprised at that.

And like Norv abruptly leaving his last team..

seems a shakey hire to me.

Just my feelings.

Lord knows I have been wrong a lot lately with this team.
 

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Spilling something is one of the most frustrating moments of life. Like how could I be so clumsy? Jerry probably still thinks he is doing the right thing.
 

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I have all of my problems with the coaching staff. Every time we get some sort of momentum going, guess what, a stupid penalty happens. When we were moving the ball good last night, guess what happened? They try some type of trick play that put us in 2 or 3rd and long. This coaching staff is beyond unusable but we still try to make it work.

Until I see Dak Prescott with a fresh new Coaching staff, I can't completely judge him. His rookie year, he was lights out. Why? He hadn't been touched by Garrett & his system yet, he was still just a raw slinger. Now after 1.5 years of the Garrett regime, he's just melting away just like so many have.
 

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I don't even know.

But if memory does not fail me..

when Jerry was looking at Phillips..

Norval was in line for the job and Jones pulled a Crazy Ivan on Norv and hired Phillips.


Not sure he would come here and be Garrett's savior.

Because that is what you would be doing.

I would be very surprised at that.

And like Norv abruptly leaving his last team..

seems a shakey hire to me.

Just my feelings.

Lord knows I have been wrong a lot lately with this team.

I think you may have read me wrong there.

I wasn't saying we should go get Norv; I was merely making the point that Jimmy Johnson didn't win those Super Bowls all by himself; he had help. And it's clear Garrett needs help.

I'd like to see the Cowboys go get an OC that runs something similar to Chip Kelly. But, of course, if Norv was willing to be OC under Garrett, I wouldn't be mad at the idea either.
 

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I have mentioned in other threads that Jerry has to be refreshing his HC wishlist.

I think he will try to do again what he did with Johnson.

Hire a top college HC and try to bring their staff in.

I am for anything except letting Jerry have final say.

While I'm a fire Garrett kinda guy, what in recent history makes you think (other than Jerry hiring Parcells just to get his stadium approved and built) Jerry would hire a capable coach and give him the actual authority to do his job?! I'm pretty sure that since Jimmy left, the results show that Jerry WON'T do that exact thing. Parcells was the exception just to get that stadium.

I doubt few quality HC's would want to come in and work in that situation and those that would won't do much better because they won't have the power do to what they need to do. Jerry wants that power.
 

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So basically just scapegoat more coaches for Garrett's failures.

Sigh.

I think the issue is that Garret provides nothing for his coordinator's gameplans. Add to that his and their abilities to adjust ingame and it's a problem.

You really need to stop looking for a person to blame and instead start looking for what the actual problem is(note: picking your own scapegoat is not what I am talking about).
 

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I think you may have read me wrong there.

I wasn't saying we should go get Norv; I was merely making the point that Jimmy Johnson didn't win those Super Bowls all by himself; he had help. And it's clear Garrett needs help.

I'd like to see the Cowboys go get an OC that runs something similar to Chip Kelly. But, of course, if Norv was willing to be OC under Garrett, I wouldn't be mad at the idea either.

I would think the HC would help his subordinates instead of expecting them to carry his load.

Garrett is a great motivator and has an eye for talent but when it comes to actually helping scheme and gameplan I just do not see it.

You can find guys who motivate. We need someone that can do that and contribute on offense and/or defense.
 

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Spilling something is one of the most frustrating moments of life. Like how could I be so clumsy? Jerry probably still thinks he is doing the right thing.
Are you saying Jerrah Boy is clumsy?

Probably.

And he has a convenient memory.

He seems to have that magic ability to block out negativity and still make the wrong decisions.

But the answer is..

If you have enough money..

nothing else matters.

Remember when Hillary called all of us " deplorables"?

Jerrah might feel that way about all the fans.

People who know nothing and act below him.
 

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Sorry bro, but anybody that can watch that game last night and not list Jason Garrett as one of the prime people that need to be fired is beyond any rationale. Hard to take anything else you listed seriously.
Alright...I'll bite....I suspect I'll regret this but curiosity did kill that cat...

What did Garrett do or not do last night that should be obvious to everyone making their determinations to the contrary not worthy of serious consideration?
 

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That is something you do out of respect for yourself. :grin:

I don't disagree.

Plus, it also impacts future coaching hires. If potential coaches see that you treat coaches poorly, they are less likely to work for you down the road. We already have a huge strike against us with Jerry's meddling.
 

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No tears over it; that’s for certain. I am still able to be dispassionate about my assessments, which is important, because determinations mired in emotion have a tendency to be very wrong. That said, I have a question for my readership:


When milk spills on a table and then aided by our ever-present gravity creates a rivulet that water-falls to the floor, where do your cleaning efforts begin? On the floor or the mess-inception point?


I’m sure a few (if not all) know where this line of questioning is going, but at the risk of spoiling the surprise, I am not talking about Jerry or Jason. The truth is Jerry isn’t going anywhere and he’s not going to fire himself as GM, and I have little interest in discussing that implausible idea further than what it has already been done over the last quarter-century. Garrett admittedly gives the Cowboys little advantage on gameday both as a tactician and/or game-manager but as far as coaches that are willing to work for Jerry go, he’s probably the best coach Cowboys fan can hope for. I hate to be the bearer of that bad news, but if you can’t accept that, either find a different team to root for or get used to being pissed off…or you could adopt my approach and learn to appreciate football for more than just having a winning record. Whichever you choose, makes no difference to me.


With that disclaimer aside, for me, the source of last nights spilled milk was none other than Scott Linehan.


Oh sure, you could point fingers at the defensive side of the ball, with their inability to get off the field on 3rd down and, of course, allowing those 28 points to happen. To the Titans credit, though, they played a really good game of offensive football last night against a really good defense. Hats off to them and their coordinator; the option Mariota executed on the goalline was picture perfect – well-coached and well-executed. Not a lot of defenses would have stopped that or many of the other creative plays the Titans dialed up.


Connor Williams once again struggled, which is also why I can both acknowledge that Dak played poorly and made some bad decisions whilst also excusing it, considering the fact that Connor was quite simply over-matched at LG….something that has been a reoccurring theme this season, particularly in losses. While I can understand Cowboys nations collective plea for a new QB, I also understand that all but maybe a handful of QB’s currently playing in this league would have done better than Dak did last night. And many of those would have done better simply by knowing not to run a few of the plays Linehan called at the times he called them.


Following each of the losses the Cowboys have had this year, I have wrote something similar to the above. You may have noticed that not once have I actually submitted it to be read. But if I had, you would notice a reoccurring theme in my blame game. Dak Prescott, Connor Williams, and Scott Linehan. But, much like the “spilt milk” analogy above, I’m guessing we wouldn’t feel the need to clean the floor (Dak and Connor) if the milk hadn’t spilled down from the table (Linehan) in the first place….savvy?


For the Dak-tractors, I absolutely can admit you might be right about him….he may not be a franchise QB. But I won’t be certain of that until the Cowboys give him an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to use Dak & company to their strengths.


To be fair to Linehan, we as a fanbase have to keep in mind he was brought in to be Tony Romo’s coordinator, a true pocket-passer…something Dak can do a fair imitation of from time to time, but when asked to do so exclusively tends to fail miserably in his efforts, as we saw last night. But here’s what we didn’t see last night: Not one designed Dak run to take advantage of the Titans keying on Zeke in the second half. Not one. And that’s because Dak needs an offensive coordinator who is comfortable with putting his QB in harm’s way.


Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not necessarily advocating purposefully getting Dak injured. I am merely acknowledging that if you want to win and you want to do so with Dak as your QB, there really is no other way. Dak is not going to beat teams from the pocket. That is not in his QB DNA. And until the Cowboys finds an offensive coordinator that understands this aspect of Daks game, they will continue to see last night’s results.


So, with all of that being determined, I will now shamelessly indulge in sharing with all of you what I’d do to fix the Cowboys:


1. Diplomatically fire Scott Linehan. I’d give him the option to resign with dignity still intact or be fired. There really is no reason to publicly deride him, especially considering all the “public” had to do is watch the games to see why.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator from the Chip Kelly coaching tree, if such a tree exist. And, yes, I am serious when I say that much like Wade Phillips is for defense, I think Kelly would make an awesome offensive coordinator…I’d just never want him to be in control of anything else. And he (or someone with a similar schematic approach) would be an absolutely perfect fit for Dak.

3. Let’s go ahead and make Kris Richard the defacto defensive coordinator and slide Marinelli into an advisory role akin to the role Hudson Houck currently serves in.

4. Let the rest of the year play out, come what may, and evaluate the team like survivor island. Even conceding this season is lost, I want to see the coaches’ coach and the players play for their NFL lives.

Thoughts?
I disagree. I think it is time for the Garrett offense and it's philosophy to leave the building, along with Garrett himself. Full stop. 11 or 12 years is long enough to see a payoff. The only times that Jones has given over power to a head coach have been when the Cowboys have hit rock bottom. Johnson and Parcells. Since then, Garrett, Romo and the false hopes of 8-8 seasons have allowed him to reclaim that lost power and it has culminated in the torpedoing of a first round draft pick AGAIN. Why bother to invest time and energy on a team that doesn't even play good football? Makes no sense.
 

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I have no problem accepting that we suck or why. No sweat off my butt. Jerry's unraveling will increase over the next 5 games. Should be interesting to watch.
 

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The guy is a gutless, backstabbing weasel, he's made plenty of enemies over his career. He doesn't deserve any kid gloves.

In fact, let Dez come back and escort him out personally!

November 5, 2018. Stash calls for returning playcalling to Jason Garrett. Now I've see it all !!
 

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I would think the HC would help his subordinates instead of expecting them to carry his load.

Garrett is a great motivator and has an eye for talent but when it comes to actually helping scheme and gameplan I just do not see it.

You can find guys who motivate. We need someone that can do that and contribute on offense and/or defense.
I agree.

The question is how much power has Jerry actually given Jason to do that? He was the coordinator and Jerry very publicly stripped him of that and gave it to someone else. What were the terms of that edict? Does Jason really have the power to make changes as he sees fit?

Therein is the rub of criticizing Garrett as far as play calling is concerned. I don't know enough about that dynamic to say one way or another and so I'm not going to guess-work my way through it. The playcalling is suspect. Linehan is ultimately responsible for playcalling. Fire him, bring in a new OC that is comfortable working with a QB like Dak and see if that doesn't make a difference. I suspect it will but then again I'm not making the big bucks...I'm just sharing my opinion with y'all, which I fully understand is not worth the paper this is printed on (and since the paper I refer to his non-existent, that is another way of saying "worthless").
 

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Watch the story of the first Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson. The addition of Norv Turner at OC was the big difference maker. I could see something similar playing out under Garrett with the right mix at coordinator. I think DC is already set so an OC that knows how to use Dak properly is all that is missing.

Nope!
:thumbdown:
 

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November 5, 2018. Stash calls for returning playcalling to Jason Garrett. Now I've see it all !!

Just to end this season. And the Garrett era. There's method to the madness.

Ultimately, they're all finished in Dallas.

Are you suggesting you're happy with Linehan?
 

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No tears over it; that’s for certain. I am still able to be dispassionate about my assessments, which is important, because determinations mired in emotion have a tendency to be very wrong. That said, I have a question for my readership:


When milk spills on a table and then aided by our ever-present gravity creates a rivulet that water-falls to the floor, where do your cleaning efforts begin? On the floor or the mess-inception point?


I’m sure a few (if not all) know where this line of questioning is going, but at the risk of spoiling the surprise, I am not talking about Jerry or Jason. The truth is Jerry isn’t going anywhere and he’s not going to fire himself as GM, and I have little interest in discussing that implausible idea further than what it has already been done over the last quarter-century. Garrett admittedly gives the Cowboys little advantage on gameday both as a tactician and/or game-manager but as far as coaches that are willing to work for Jerry go, he’s probably the best coach Cowboys fan can hope for. I hate to be the bearer of that bad news, but if you can’t accept that, either find a different team to root for or get used to being pissed off…or you could adopt my approach and learn to appreciate football for more than just having a winning record. Whichever you choose, makes no difference to me.


With that disclaimer aside, for me, the source of last nights spilled milk was none other than Scott Linehan.


Oh sure, you could point fingers at the defensive side of the ball, with their inability to get off the field on 3rd down and, of course, allowing those 28 points to happen. To the Titans credit, though, they played a really good game of offensive football last night against a really good defense. Hats off to them and their coordinator; the option Mariota executed on the goalline was picture perfect – well-coached and well-executed. Not a lot of defenses would have stopped that or many of the other creative plays the Titans dialed up.


Connor Williams once again struggled, which is also why I can both acknowledge that Dak played poorly and made some bad decisions whilst also excusing it, considering the fact that Connor was quite simply over-matched at LG….something that has been a reoccurring theme this season, particularly in losses. While I can understand Cowboys nations collective plea for a new QB, I also understand that all but maybe a handful of QB’s currently playing in this league would have done better than Dak did last night. And many of those would have done better simply by knowing not to run a few of the plays Linehan called at the times he called them.


Following each of the losses the Cowboys have had this year, I have wrote something similar to the above. You may have noticed that not once have I actually submitted it to be read. But if I had, you would notice a reoccurring theme in my blame game. Dak Prescott, Connor Williams, and Scott Linehan. But, much like the “spilt milk” analogy above, I’m guessing we wouldn’t feel the need to clean the floor (Dak and Connor) if the milk hadn’t spilled down from the table (Linehan) in the first place….savvy?


For the Dak-tractors, I absolutely can admit you might be right about him….he may not be a franchise QB. But I won’t be certain of that until the Cowboys give him an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to use Dak & company to their strengths.


To be fair to Linehan, we as a fanbase have to keep in mind he was brought in to be Tony Romo’s coordinator, a true pocket-passer…something Dak can do a fair imitation of from time to time, but when asked to do so exclusively tends to fail miserably in his efforts, as we saw last night. But here’s what we didn’t see last night: Not one designed Dak run to take advantage of the Titans keying on Zeke in the second half. Not one. And that’s because Dak needs an offensive coordinator who is comfortable with putting his QB in harm’s way.


Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not necessarily advocating purposefully getting Dak injured. I am merely acknowledging that if you want to win and you want to do so with Dak as your QB, there really is no other way. Dak is not going to beat teams from the pocket. That is not in his QB DNA. And until the Cowboys finds an offensive coordinator that understands this aspect of Daks game, they will continue to see last night’s results.


So, with all of that being determined, I will now shamelessly indulge in sharing with all of you what I’d do to fix the Cowboys:


1. Diplomatically fire Scott Linehan. I’d give him the option to resign with dignity still intact or be fired. There really is no reason to publicly deride him, especially considering all the “public” had to do is watch the games to see why.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator from the Chip Kelly coaching tree, if such a tree exist. And, yes, I am serious when I say that much like Wade Phillips is for defense, I think Kelly would make an awesome offensive coordinator…I’d just never want him to be in control of anything else. And he (or someone with a similar schematic approach) would be an absolutely perfect fit for Dak.

3. Let’s go ahead and make Kris Richard the defacto defensive coordinator and slide Marinelli into an advisory role akin to the role Hudson Houck currently serves in.

4. Let the rest of the year play out, come what may, and evaluate the team like survivor island. Even conceding this season is lost, I want to see the coaches’ coach and the players play for their NFL lives.

Thoughts?

Can't take you seriously buddy

This is like saying
"The house is burning down but let's ignore that, if we could put new upholstery the living room would be great"
:laugh::facepalm:
 

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I disagree. I think it is time for the Garrett offense and it's philosophy to leave the building, along with Garrett himself. Full stop. 11 or 12 years is long enough to see a payoff. The only times that Jones has given over power to a head coach have been when the Cowboys have hit rock bottom. Johnson and Parcells. Since then, Garrett, Romo and the false hopes of 8-8 seasons have allowed him to reclaim that lost power and it has culminated in the torpedoing of a first round draft pick AGAIN. Why bother to invest time and energy on a team that doesn't even play good football? Makes no sense.

We just see it differently then...nothing wrong with that.

For example, I honestly still think this team is really close. They have a good defense...that defense just didn't have a good day yesterday - happens to the best of them.

We have an incredible running back. He just has an OC that comes from a pass-happy coach tree. Fix the OC, fix alot of problems regarding Zeke.

We have the makings of a great offensive line, but I think they lost their way with the addition of Paul Alexander. It might take a season and an offseason to fix what Alexander broke..

With the addition of Amari, I really like our receiving core. Amari, Gallup and Beasley could do great things together with the right play caller.

From where I'm standing today, I'd say the Cowboys could use a TE and Safety, but are pretty well set at every other position.

That brings us to Dak. As I said in the OP, I acknowledge I'm still not sure if he is a franchise QB or not. But asking him to win the way Linehan is asking him to win is a whole lot like the team asking the OL to win despite how Alexander was telling them to win. They can do it, but it doesn't afford us the best version of them. The best version of Dak is in an offense that is fast-paced and keeps him on the move...the primary tenets of a Chip Kelly ran offense....hence the op.
 
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