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What has Linehan done to deserve a dignified termination??
seriously!!!! he sucks. we get it...but why embarrass someone...he is not doing this out of vengeance or on purpose. he maybe incompetent....that's going to far with your anger and hatred. its a game after all and they are people. you need a reality check of your life.
 

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Absolutely!

The guy is a gutless, backstabbing weasel, he's made plenty of enemies over his career. He doesn't deserve any kid gloves.

In fact, let Dez come back and escort him out personally!
who did he back stab? who are his enemies? outside of angry fans on this board....

and Dez deserved to go.....if he was all that, wouldn't he be signed somewhere already...we are half way through the season....
 

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he totally failed in the NFL.....the run and shoot doesn't work in the NFL
To be fair to Kelly, look at who he had at QB in both of his attempts. Not too many head coaches are going to find success with the QB's he had. Mark Sanchez was the guy in Philly and he Kaepernick with the 49ers when the team was on the decline...much of which was admittedly because of him which is why I just want Kelly or someone like him as OC.
 

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I have mentioned in other threads that Jerry has to be refreshing his HC wishlist.

I think he will try to do again what he did with Johnson.

Hire a top college HC and try to bring their staff in.

I am for anything except letting Jerry have final say.
agree.
if he ever makes a change...he returns to the template that worked...a college coach who won a national title.
 

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No tears over it; that’s for certain. I am still able to be dispassionate about my assessments, which is important, because determinations mired in emotion have a tendency to be very wrong. That said, I have a question for my readership:


When milk spills on a table and then aided by our ever-present gravity creates a rivulet that water-falls to the floor, where do your cleaning efforts begin? On the floor or the mess-inception point?


I’m sure a few (if not all) know where this line of questioning is going, but at the risk of spoiling the surprise, I am not talking about Jerry or Jason. The truth is Jerry isn’t going anywhere and he’s not going to fire himself as GM, and I have little interest in discussing that implausible idea further than what it has already been done over the last quarter-century. Garrett admittedly gives the Cowboys little advantage on gameday both as a tactician and/or game-manager but as far as coaches that are willing to work for Jerry go, he’s probably the best coach Cowboys fan can hope for. I hate to be the bearer of that bad news, but if you can’t accept that, either find a different team to root for or get used to being pissed off…or you could adopt my approach and learn to appreciate football for more than just having a winning record. Whichever you choose, makes no difference to me.


With that disclaimer aside, for me, the source of last nights spilled milk was none other than Scott Linehan.


Oh sure, you could point fingers at the defensive side of the ball, with their inability to get off the field on 3rd down and, of course, allowing those 28 points to happen. To the Titans credit, though, they played a really good game of offensive football last night against a really good defense. Hats off to them and their coordinator; the option Mariota executed on the goalline was picture perfect – well-coached and well-executed. Not a lot of defenses would have stopped that or many of the other creative plays the Titans dialed up.


Connor Williams once again struggled, which is also why I can both acknowledge that Dak played poorly and made some bad decisions whilst also excusing it, considering the fact that Connor was quite simply over-matched at LG….something that has been a reoccurring theme this season, particularly in losses. While I can understand Cowboys nations collective plea for a new QB, I also understand that all but maybe a handful of QB’s currently playing in this league would have done better than Dak did last night. And many of those would have done better simply by knowing not to run a few of the plays Linehan called at the times he called them.


Following each of the losses the Cowboys have had this year, I have wrote something similar to the above. You may have noticed that not once have I actually submitted it to be read. But if I had, you would notice a reoccurring theme in my blame game. Dak Prescott, Connor Williams, and Scott Linehan. But, much like the “spilt milk” analogy above, I’m guessing we wouldn’t feel the need to clean the floor (Dak and Connor) if the milk hadn’t spilled down from the table (Linehan) in the first place….savvy?


For the Dak-tractors, I absolutely can admit you might be right about him….he may not be a franchise QB. But I won’t be certain of that until the Cowboys give him an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to use Dak & company to their strengths.


To be fair to Linehan, we as a fanbase have to keep in mind he was brought in to be Tony Romo’s coordinator, a true pocket-passer…something Dak can do a fair imitation of from time to time, but when asked to do so exclusively tends to fail miserably in his efforts, as we saw last night. But here’s what we didn’t see last night: Not one designed Dak run to take advantage of the Titans keying on Zeke in the second half. Not one. And that’s because Dak needs an offensive coordinator who is comfortable with putting his QB in harm’s way.


Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not necessarily advocating purposefully getting Dak injured. I am merely acknowledging that if you want to win and you want to do so with Dak as your QB, there really is no other way. Dak is not going to beat teams from the pocket. That is not in his QB DNA. And until the Cowboys finds an offensive coordinator that understands this aspect of Daks game, they will continue to see last night’s results.


So, with all of that being determined, I will now shamelessly indulge in sharing with all of you what I’d do to fix the Cowboys:


1. Diplomatically fire Scott Linehan. I’d give him the option to resign with dignity still intact or be fired. There really is no reason to publicly deride him, especially considering all the “public” had to do is watch the games to see why.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator from the Chip Kelly coaching tree, if such a tree exist. And, yes, I am serious when I say that much like Wade Phillips is for defense, I think Kelly would make an awesome offensive coordinator…I’d just never want him to be in control of anything else. And he (or someone with a similar schematic approach) would be an absolutely perfect fit for Dak.

3. Let’s go ahead and make Kris Richard the defacto defensive coordinator and slide Marinelli into an advisory role akin to the role Hudson Houck currently serves in.

4. Let the rest of the year play out, come what may, and evaluate the team like survivor island. Even conceding this season is lost, I want to see the coaches’ coach and the players play for their NFL lives.

Thoughts?
Good thoughts you put a lot of time writing this up. Do you suggest we do these 4 moves right now? Or T the end of the season?
 

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honestly...if Jerry is going to sign Dak to an extension then why fire Garrett...get rid of linehan and moore...hire new OC and QB coach.
why would someone want to be H.C. with Dak's status already decided by JJ?
just keep Garrett if the new guy doesnt have a say in QB.
 

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right now...I fire linehan and promote RBs coach Gary Brown to O.C.
why?
because he is the only off asst worth a dang.

seasons end I fire the entire staff and pursue Bob Stoops,Nick Saban,Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh to be HC.
THEY pick their staff.
THEY pick their QB.

I can't imagine any of those guys really wants to be in the NFL. Certainly not Stoops or Saban. Stoops retired for a reason and obviously is financially set, and Saban has arguably the best head coaching gig in all of football, college or pro. I would say Meyer and Harbaugh are only slightly more possible, but Meyer has one of the top 5 coaching gigs in college football and doesn't have to deal with spoiled NFL players who make more money than he does, and Harbaugh is coaching his alma mater.
 

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No tears over it; that’s for certain. I am still able to be dispassionate about my assessments, which is important, because determinations mired in emotion have a tendency to be very wrong. That said, I have a question for my readership:


When milk spills on a table and then aided by our ever-present gravity creates a rivulet that water-falls to the floor, where do your cleaning efforts begin? On the floor or the mess-inception point?


I’m sure a few (if not all) know where this line of questioning is going, but at the risk of spoiling the surprise, I am not talking about Jerry or Jason. The truth is Jerry isn’t going anywhere and he’s not going to fire himself as GM, and I have little interest in discussing that implausible idea further than what it has already been done over the last quarter-century. Garrett admittedly gives the Cowboys little advantage on gameday both as a tactician and/or game-manager but as far as coaches that are willing to work for Jerry go, he’s probably the best coach Cowboys fan can hope for. I hate to be the bearer of that bad news, but if you can’t accept that, either find a different team to root for or get used to being pissed off…or you could adopt my approach and learn to appreciate football for more than just having a winning record. Whichever you choose, makes no difference to me.


With that disclaimer aside, for me, the source of last nights spilled milk was none other than Scott Linehan.


Oh sure, you could point fingers at the defensive side of the ball, with their inability to get off the field on 3rd down and, of course, allowing those 28 points to happen. To the Titans credit, though, they played a really good game of offensive football last night against a really good defense. Hats off to them and their coordinator; the option Mariota executed on the goalline was picture perfect – well-coached and well-executed. Not a lot of defenses would have stopped that or many of the other creative plays the Titans dialed up.


Connor Williams once again struggled, which is also why I can both acknowledge that Dak played poorly and made some bad decisions whilst also excusing it, considering the fact that Connor was quite simply over-matched at LG….something that has been a reoccurring theme this season, particularly in losses. While I can understand Cowboys nations collective plea for a new QB, I also understand that all but maybe a handful of QB’s currently playing in this league would have done better than Dak did last night. And many of those would have done better simply by knowing not to run a few of the plays Linehan called at the times he called them.


Following each of the losses the Cowboys have had this year, I have wrote something similar to the above. You may have noticed that not once have I actually submitted it to be read. But if I had, you would notice a reoccurring theme in my blame game. Dak Prescott, Connor Williams, and Scott Linehan. But, much like the “spilt milk” analogy above, I’m guessing we wouldn’t feel the need to clean the floor (Dak and Connor) if the milk hadn’t spilled down from the table (Linehan) in the first place….savvy?


For the Dak-tractors, I absolutely can admit you might be right about him….he may not be a franchise QB. But I won’t be certain of that until the Cowboys give him an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to use Dak & company to their strengths.


To be fair to Linehan, we as a fanbase have to keep in mind he was brought in to be Tony Romo’s coordinator, a true pocket-passer…something Dak can do a fair imitation of from time to time, but when asked to do so exclusively tends to fail miserably in his efforts, as we saw last night. But here’s what we didn’t see last night: Not one designed Dak run to take advantage of the Titans keying on Zeke in the second half. Not one. And that’s because Dak needs an offensive coordinator who is comfortable with putting his QB in harm’s way.


Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not necessarily advocating purposefully getting Dak injured. I am merely acknowledging that if you want to win and you want to do so with Dak as your QB, there really is no other way. Dak is not going to beat teams from the pocket. That is not in his QB DNA. And until the Cowboys finds an offensive coordinator that understands this aspect of Daks game, they will continue to see last night’s results.


So, with all of that being determined, I will now shamelessly indulge in sharing with all of you what I’d do to fix the Cowboys:


1. Diplomatically fire Scott Linehan. I’d give him the option to resign with dignity still intact or be fired. There really is no reason to publicly deride him, especially considering all the “public” had to do is watch the games to see why.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator from the Chip Kelly coaching tree, if such a tree exist. And, yes, I am serious when I say that much like Wade Phillips is for defense, I think Kelly would make an awesome offensive coordinator…I’d just never want him to be in control of anything else. And he (or someone with a similar schematic approach) would be an absolutely perfect fit for Dak.

3. Let’s go ahead and make Kris Richard the defacto defensive coordinator and slide Marinelli into an advisory role akin to the role Hudson Houck currently serves in.

4. Let the rest of the year play out, come what may, and evaluate the team like survivor island. Even conceding this season is lost, I want to see the coaches’ coach and the players play for their NFL lives.

Thoughts?
Milk is $2.99 per gallon. That is higher than a gallon of gasoline in my area. You spill it and I am going to make you lick it up from the table :)

1. I would fire Jason Garrett and Scott Linehan NOW!!!!! Hire Mike Martz to be the OC until the season is over. Martz, Hauck, Brown, and most of the offensive staff know each other, should survive the year, and Mike Martz would be a good evaluater and mentor of Dak Prescott who is been shell shocked by a stupid coaching.
2. I would name Gary Brown or Will McClay (coached Jones's Desperadoes) interim HC. This satisfies the Rooney rule to interview them for the HC and allows me to search for a HC.
3. I will keep the Defensive staff as is with Kris Richard and tell the next head coach he comes with the package. When you hear who I will name as the next Cowboys HC. That will be no problem.
4. After and exhausting Cowboys HC search, I would name Will McClay, General Manager of the Dallas Cowboys. If you do not, he is going to get that offer from someone else and leave. This would also take the heat off me for evading the Rooney Rule to get the HC I want.
5. Will McClay, GM of the Dallas Cowboys will hire Washington University Head Coach Chris Petersen as Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Therefore I give all those ex Boise State football players on the Cowboys roster a coach they can play hard for and a coach that can actually coach. Also, because he is an offensive minded coach he will develop Dak and develop his new OC Kellen Moore his former All American QB. Finally, coming from the Washington area he knows and respects Kris Richard so it is no problem keeping him as DC.
6. With Kris Richards as DC, I would allow Marinelli to stay as DL coach (his replacement is already on the staff, Leon Lett) but I would bring in both Dennis Thurman ex Cowboys and former DC as secondary coach and mentor and Mike Singletary as LB coach. You are going to lose Kris Richards to be a HC somewhere after 2019 so now you have 2 coaches on the staff that can immediately take over as the new DC.
7. Now that I have taken Jerry Jones from the GM role giving it to a man he likes, admires, and Jones will still feel in GM control. But McClay is a man the Jerry listens too that knows football. Jerry has not had that directly running the franchise since Jimmy Johnson.

Yes, I know I am a genius scoring a 140 IQ score. But I do not get along with others. Because they do stupid things like Jerry Jones who knows how to make money but is not smart enough to make money and have a Super Bowl contending team every year.

If you have seen Oklahoma, Linclon Riley is a one trick pony and his offense, The spread offense Leach Texas Tech style, will need 2-3 years to adjust to the pros. Chris Petersen runs pro, west coast, shotgun, spread, and the statue of Liberty offense. Ask Oklahoma.
 

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I can't imagine any of those guys really wants to be in the NFL. Certainly not Stoops or Saban. Stoops retired for a reason and obviously is financially set, and Saban has arguably the best head coaching gig in all of football, college or pro. I would say Meyer and Harbaugh are only slightly more possible, but Meyer has one of the top 5 coaching gigs in college football and doesn't have to deal with spoiled NFL players who make more money than he does, and Harbaugh is coaching his alma mater.
have no idea what they would do...Im just saying thats what I'd do.
if they all said no...I make another list and pursue them.
if I owned this team,Im not staying pat with this staff...Im making a change...and the new H.C. picks his staff and decides the QB.
 

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who did he back stab? who are his enemies? outside of angry fans on this board....

Do a search about his former players when he coached with the Rams. Start with Marc Bulger who wanted to retire rather than play for Linehan. And then you cn see what Torrey Hokt and Stephen Jackson thought as well. It's not pretty.

and Dez deserved to go.....if he was all that, wouldn't he be signed somewhere already...we are half way through the season....

He has his own issues, but he obviously wasn't "the problem" Linehan tried to paint him out to be.
 

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have no idea what they would do...Im just saying thats what I'd do.
if they all said no...I make another list and pursue them.
if I owned this team,Im not staying pat with this staff...Im making a change...and the new H.C. picks his staff and decides the QB.

I agree completely that much of the staff needs to chane - mostly at the top. Most of the position coaches are probably fine, but the leadership and decision makers don't appear to be. Garrett and Linehan should be terminated, and Marinelli should retire.
 

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No tears over it; that’s for certain. I am still able to be dispassionate about my assessments, which is important, because determinations mired in emotion have a tendency to be very wrong. That said, I have a question for my readership:


When milk spills on a table and then aided by our ever-present gravity creates a rivulet that water-falls to the floor, where do your cleaning efforts begin? On the floor or the mess-inception point?


I’m sure a few (if not all) know where this line of questioning is going, but at the risk of spoiling the surprise, I am not talking about Jerry or Jason. The truth is Jerry isn’t going anywhere and he’s not going to fire himself as GM, and I have little interest in discussing that implausible idea further than what it has already been done over the last quarter-century. Garrett admittedly gives the Cowboys little advantage on gameday both as a tactician and/or game-manager but as far as coaches that are willing to work for Jerry go, he’s probably the best coach Cowboys fan can hope for. I hate to be the bearer of that bad news, but if you can’t accept that, either find a different team to root for or get used to being pissed off…or you could adopt my approach and learn to appreciate football for more than just having a winning record. Whichever you choose, makes no difference to me.


With that disclaimer aside, for me, the source of last nights spilled milk was none other than Scott Linehan.


Oh sure, you could point fingers at the defensive side of the ball, with their inability to get off the field on 3rd down and, of course, allowing those 28 points to happen. To the Titans credit, though, they played a really good game of offensive football last night against a really good defense. Hats off to them and their coordinator; the option Mariota executed on the goalline was picture perfect – well-coached and well-executed. Not a lot of defenses would have stopped that or many of the other creative plays the Titans dialed up.


Connor Williams once again struggled, which is also why I can both acknowledge that Dak played poorly and made some bad decisions whilst also excusing it, considering the fact that Connor was quite simply over-matched at LG….something that has been a reoccurring theme this season, particularly in losses. While I can understand Cowboys nations collective plea for a new QB, I also understand that all but maybe a handful of QB’s currently playing in this league would have done better than Dak did last night. And many of those would have done better simply by knowing not to run a few of the plays Linehan called at the times he called them.


Following each of the losses the Cowboys have had this year, I have wrote something similar to the above. You may have noticed that not once have I actually submitted it to be read. But if I had, you would notice a reoccurring theme in my blame game. Dak Prescott, Connor Williams, and Scott Linehan. But, much like the “spilt milk” analogy above, I’m guessing we wouldn’t feel the need to clean the floor (Dak and Connor) if the milk hadn’t spilled down from the table (Linehan) in the first place….savvy?


For the Dak-tractors, I absolutely can admit you might be right about him….he may not be a franchise QB. But I won’t be certain of that until the Cowboys give him an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to use Dak & company to their strengths.


To be fair to Linehan, we as a fanbase have to keep in mind he was brought in to be Tony Romo’s coordinator, a true pocket-passer…something Dak can do a fair imitation of from time to time, but when asked to do so exclusively tends to fail miserably in his efforts, as we saw last night. But here’s what we didn’t see last night: Not one designed Dak run to take advantage of the Titans keying on Zeke in the second half. Not one. And that’s because Dak needs an offensive coordinator who is comfortable with putting his QB in harm’s way.


Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not necessarily advocating purposefully getting Dak injured. I am merely acknowledging that if you want to win and you want to do so with Dak as your QB, there really is no other way. Dak is not going to beat teams from the pocket. That is not in his QB DNA. And until the Cowboys finds an offensive coordinator that understands this aspect of Daks game, they will continue to see last night’s results.


So, with all of that being determined, I will now shamelessly indulge in sharing with all of you what I’d do to fix the Cowboys:


1. Diplomatically fire Scott Linehan. I’d give him the option to resign with dignity still intact or be fired. There really is no reason to publicly deride him, especially considering all the “public” had to do is watch the games to see why.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator from the Chip Kelly coaching tree, if such a tree exist. And, yes, I am serious when I say that much like Wade Phillips is for defense, I think Kelly would make an awesome offensive coordinator…I’d just never want him to be in control of anything else. And he (or someone with a similar schematic approach) would be an absolutely perfect fit for Dak.

3. Let’s go ahead and make Kris Richard the defacto defensive coordinator and slide Marinelli into an advisory role akin to the role Hudson Houck currently serves in.

4. Let the rest of the year play out, come what may, and evaluate the team like survivor island. Even conceding this season is lost, I want to see the coaches’ coach and the players play for their NFL lives.

Thoughts?

Spot on, jday...the only thing left out was a blame game with Jerry Jones and what he is left with if players remain the same and a new set of picked coaches come in. Chaos for another four to five years.

Fix the organization here and now, and don't play the gambler's role in trying to fool Mother Nature in the NFL.

You hit the problems, jday...thanks.
 

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Watch the story of the first Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson. The addition of Norv Turner at OC was the big difference maker. I could see something similar playing out under Garrett with the right mix at coordinator. I think DC is already set so an OC that knows how to use Dak properly is all that is missing.

Garrett would be completely dependent upon the two Coordinators to keep up with game day preparation and changes, then.
 

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Good thoughts you put a lot of time writing this up. Do you suggest we do these 4 moves right now? Or T the end of the season?
If it were up to me, I'd do as much of it that I can right now, right now...with some notable caveats:

I can fire Linehan now because Garrett can call the plays down the stretch and probably do so as well as if not better than Linehan has up to this point.

Hiring the Chip Kelly-esque OC will have to wait until the offseason. I'm not necessarily saying it has to be Chip Kelly...I'm just saying someone that has a similar schematic approach; e.g. fast paced, keep the QB on the move, doesn't force the issue but takes what the defense gives, a good mix of RPO, standard option and run'n'gun concepts. It's not that I'm a big proponent of these schemes. But if you insist Dak is your QB, that is the type of scheme you should be married to.

The Kris Richard promotion to DC has been the works since he was hired, in my opinion. He was the DC in Seattle...why would he take a step down unless he was promised more dependent on his performance in his current capacity? So, the "when" they go forward with that switch matters little in the scheme of things. I just think it would be better for the players if they went ahead and made it official.

Again, this is just what I'd do...I seriously doubt that is what actually happens, but here's hoping anyway...:thumbup:
 
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