SportsdayDFW.com: Bob Sturm: Patrick Peterson one the Cowboys might get antsy for

[diehard2294]

In 2010 we traded our 3rd round pick away. It landed us Dez Bryant.

Is anyone unhappy with Dez and Sean Lee to the point that you'd go back in time to grab someone at that #90 pick?

I wouldn't. I'll take Dez over anyone who came after 26 and 90 put together.

Same principle applies here.

I will sacrifice that high 3rd round pick for a top 5 talent.

will our 1st and 3rd be enough to get him if he's there at 6?

 

[Stash]

will our 1st and 3rd be enough to get him if he's there at 6?

If they still put stock in the value chart, our #1 and #3 equal 1575, while pick #6 goes for 1600 points, so I think it's close enough, and I think a team like Cleveland is a prime trade partner. In fact, I would expect them to be the team we are most likely to work with.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

So now everyone other than Peterson is just a warm body? They can't possibly be a Jason Witten or Jay Ratliff?

 

[Apollo Creed]

So now everyone other than Peterson is just a warm body? They can't possibly be a Jason Witten or Jay Ratliff?

Or end up like all 17 of our 2009 draft picks.

 

[Hostile]

So now everyone other than Peterson is just a warm body? They can't possibly be a Jason Witten or Jay Ratliff?

That is nowhere close to what I meant, but if that's how you need to see it please go ahead.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That is nowhere close to what I meant, but if that's how you need to see it please go ahead.

I don't need it to mean anything, that's just what it sounded like. How did you mean it?

 

[Hostile]

I don't need it to mean anything, that's just what it sounded like. How did you mean it?

That I will take a blue chip player and 5 red chip players over 7 red chip players. If you have chances at elite talents you have to grab while you can.

 

[28 Joker]

Wow. Patrick Peterson is really good, but he can't open up holes for Felix Jones, get him to the edge, or protect Tony Romo.

Giving up a third round pick, on a team with multiple needs is not smart, in a deep CB draft. That third round pick is going to be a good player.

The Packers, the Super Bowl Champions, are headed for a Dynasty. Their run reminds me of the 1988 49ers. Patrick Peterson will not stop them. You better have a strong offensive line in the running game, and you better have someone who can block Clay Matthews. Dallas doesn't have either.

Again, Deion Sanders wasn't even on Dallas' two best teams (1992 and 1993). The Cowboys had one of the best offensive lines of all time. Now, they are just a shell, and that is why they will continue to fail, if they don't get serious about fixing it.

9. Tyron Smith OT USC

Smith offers the Cowboys a legit, blue chip OT prospect at number 9 and is a cornerstone football player.

The Green Bay Packers parked their rear end at 9 and let the draft fall to them and took B.J. Raiji, a cornerstone player in the defensive line. Smith offers Dallas the same type of value, only it's in the offensive line.

You don't trade down and draft an inferior player, in order to add an extra inferior player, either.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Wow. Patrick Peterson is really good, but he can't open up holes for Felix Jones, get him to the edge, or protect Tony Romo.

Giving up a third round pick, on a team with multiple needs is not smart, in a deep CB draft. That third round pick is going to be a good player.

The Packers, the Super Bowl Champions, are headed for a Dynasty. Their run reminds me of the 1988 49ers. Patrick Peterson will not stop them. You better have a strong offensive line in the running game, and you better have someone who can block Clay Matthews. Dallas doesn't have either.

Again, Deion Sanders wasn't even on Dallas' two best teams (1992 and 1993). The Cowboys had one of the best offensive lines of all time. Now, they are just a shell, and that is why they will continue to fail, if they don't get serious about fixing it.

9. Tyron Smith OT USC

Smith offers the Cowboys a legit, blue chip OT prospect at number 9 and is a cornerstone football player.

The Green Bay Packers parked their rear end at 9 and let the draft fall to them and took B.J. Raiji, a cornerstone player in the defensive line. Smith offers Dallas the same type of value, only it's in the offensive line.

You don't trade down and draft an inferior player, in order to add an extra inferior player, either.

Our offense has been good enough to win. Our defense, has always seemed to be the team's achilles heel. Can't force the turnover, can't get off the field on 3rd down, can't give the offense short fields, etc.

Besides, I don't want a rookie protecting Romo (we saw how that ended last year) unless Peterson is gone and we can slowly insert Smith into the lineup. He's a physical freak, but he's young and we're a lot closer to winning than people think.

The only reason I don't want Prince is because I don't want to settle for a mediocre corner when we've already invested 1sts in Jenkins and Newman.

One of the DL prospects will be there at 9 to fall back on, but if Peterson falls out the top 3-5, Jerry will be on the phone. It's gonna be fun to watch.

 

[NeonNinja]

That I will take a blue chip player and 5 red chip players over 7 red chip players. If you have chances at elite talents you have to grab while you can.

That's how I feel about it too.

 

[TheSport78]

Wow. Patrick Peterson is really good, but he can't open up holes for Felix Jones, get him to the edge, or protect Tony Romo.

Giving up a third round pick, on a team with multiple needs is not smart, in a deep CB draft. That third round pick is going to be a good player.

The Packers, the Super Bowl Champions, are headed for a Dynasty. Their run reminds me of the 1988 49ers. Patrick Peterson will not stop them. You better have a strong offensive line in the running game, and you better have someone who can block Clay Matthews. Dallas doesn't have either.

Again, Deion Sanders wasn't even on Dallas' two best teams (1992 and 1993). The Cowboys had one of the best offensive lines of all time. Now, they are just a shell, and that is why they will continue to fail, if they don't get serious about fixing it.

9. Tyron Smith OT USC

Smith offers the Cowboys a legit, blue chip OT prospect at number 9 and is a cornerstone football player.

The Green Bay Packers parked their rear end at 9 and let the draft fall to them and took B.J. Raiji, a cornerstone player in the defensive line. Smith offers Dallas the same type of value, only it's in the offensive line.

You don't trade down and draft an inferior player, in order to add an extra inferior player, either.

How do you know this? We could always trade down in the 2nd to recoup our 3rd rounder. A player like Danny Watkins could fall to the late 2nd because of his age. I would gladly take Peterson and Watkins over Tyron Smith any day. We could sign a tackle in FA like Tyson Clabo if we had to.

 

[28 Joker]

How do you know this? We could always trade down in the 2nd to recoup our 3rd rounder. A player like Danny Watkins could fall to the late 2nd because of his age. I would gladly take Peterson and Watkins over Tyron Smith any day. We could sign a tackle in FA like Tyson Clabo if we had to.

How much money are you willing to pay an inferior player to Smith in free agency? Danny Watkins (I like), but he is 27 and could be long gone by 40. He could go in the first round. Doug Free was barely an average pass blocker last year at LT. I think some people way over rate him at LT. Football games are won and lost in the trenches. It all starts up front.

Trading up for Peterson would be reckless, and the good teams know this. They build inside/out. Staying at 9 and taking a great value and cornerstone player is the smart, safe move. Smith is a blue chip player, at a huge position of need, at 9.

The top of the third round will have value on the interior (at guard) and at CB and perhaps DL.

How did all that trading down work out in 2009?

How did that work out?

That was the last time Dallas turned down a real good value at offensive tackle. (Phil Loadholt)

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Naw. Only players who scored higher then 10 on the wonderlic please.

 

[TheSport78]

How much money are you willing to pay an inferior player to Smith in free agency? Danny Watkins (I like), but he is 27 and could be long gone by 40. He could go in the first round. Doug Free was barely an average pass blocker last year at LT. I think some people way over rate him at LT. Football games are won and lost in the trenches. It all starts up front.

Trading up for Peterson would be reckless, and the good teams know this. They build inside/out. Staying at 9 and taking a great value and cornerstone player is the smart, safe move. Smith is a blue chip player, at a huge position of need, at 9.

The top of the third round will have value on the interior (at guard) and at CB and perhaps DL.

How did all that trading down work out in 2009?

How did that work out?

That was the last time Dallas turned down a real good value at offensive tackle. (Phil Loadholt)

How did that trading up for Dez work out though? It does go both ways.

Just because we don't draft Tyron Smith, doesn't mean we couldn't draft a solid OT in the 2nd, 3rd (if we recoup it) or 4th round who could step in. Heck, Free was a 4th round pick, and the truth is, the draft is a crapshoot, but Patrick Peterson is as close as its going to get when it comes to being a "sure thing."

We need more catalytic players on defense. Ware and Ratliff have absolutely no one to help them out. Our defense was the achilles heel last year, not the offense. The OL definitely needs to be upgraded, but Tyron Smith isn't the end all, be all IMO.

 

[Seven]

The way to win in the NFL above any other method is to Draft impact players when the opportunity is there. That is why we moved up to get Dez. This kid is on the same plane as Dez, but the other side of the LOS. He is a difference maker. Get enough of them, you win. Simple formula that has always worked.

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

That's me.

Nice.......

 

[UnoDallas]

Petersen will be gone by 3 or 4 and Den might even take him

surely Arizona at 5 won't pass on him knowing


then you can watch him every week HOS

:laugh2:

but keep the Dream Alive

 

[tyke1doe]

The way to win in the NFL above any other method is to Draft impact players when the opportunity is there. That is why we moved up to get Dez. This kid is on the same plane as Dez, but the other side of the LOS. He is a difference maker. Get enough of them, you win. Simple formula that has always worked.

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

That's me.

^ This ^

You can trade down and collect a bunch of average Joes. But elite players take you over the top and are hard to replace. If there's a blue chip player in range, you go get him. That's what the Cowboys did for Dez, for Emmitt Smith, for Tony Dorsett, etc.

If Patrick Peterson is going to be a game changer, go ahead and give up a third rounder to get him. Chances are that third rounder isn't going to be an elite player anyway.

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't have as fond of memories of the trade down scenario.

I always think of getting Julius Jones rather than Steven Jackson.

Or in 2009, ending up with Brewster and Jason Williams instead of Max Unger or other better candidates.

I prefer when we go after someone we've targeted, like they did for Jenkins (I believe) and more recently with Dez Bryant and Sean Lee.

My thoughts exactly... but I've always liked going after the blue chippers at the expense of numbers (a lot of picks).

The way to win in the NFL above any other method is to Draft impact players when the opportunity is there. That is why we moved up to get Dez. This kid is on the same plane as Dez, but the other side of the LOS. He is a difference maker. Get enough of them, you win. Simple formula that has always worked.

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

That's me.

+1

In 2010 we traded our 3rd round pick away. It landed us Dez Bryant.

Is anyone unhappy with Dez and Sean Lee to the point that you'd go back in time to grab someone at that #90 pick?

I wouldn't. I'll take Dez over anyone who came after 26 and 90 put together.

Same principle applies here.

I will sacrifice that high 3rd round pick for a top 5 talent.

With Dez and Lee it felt so good to get players that I really thought were going to make a difference instead of just hoping the team knows something that I don't.

I still like Fairley better than Peterson, but I like Peterson a lot and would be very happy to walk away with him and a second round pick instead of somebody I'm not sure about in round 1 and a second and third rounder.

IMO, a third rounder is a small price to pay to go get a player that the team thinks will be a difference maker.

 

[UnoDallas]

so your going to give two picks for a cb that projects as FS

Bucky Brooks: Scouts traditionally avoid taking cornerbacks with the No. 1 overall pick because the position isn't valued in the same light as quarterbacks, left tackles or pass rushers. Those positions have a bigger impact on the passing game, and it is important for a team to have blue-chip players in place at those positions to have a shot at winning the Super Bowl. Although shutdown cornerbacks can significantly upgrade a defense's performance, it is rare to find a cover man capable of neutralizing the league's top pass catchers on a weekly basis. Revis and Nnamdi Asomugha are exceptions to the rule, but neither of their teams reached the Super Bowl despite their outstanding play. In fact, the argument is routinely made that pass rushers impact coverage far more than corners can impact the rush

I don't think it's a slam dunk that Peterson is the best cornerback in the draft. He might be the most athletic player at the position, but teams routinely have success throwing in his direction. Take a close look at the Cotton Bowl game against Texas A&M for proof of a team unafraid to attack his side. Also, I worry about his size (6-foot-1, 219 pounds) because you simply don't see guys that big playing for a long time at cornerback. Granted, he can always move inside to safety, but you don't want to take a project that high when you're not certain that he can make the transition. While I love his athleticism, return skills and on-field savvy

 

[speedkilz88]

It would have been interesting to know who the Cowboys would have ended up with if they had not traded up for Dez. New England ended up taking McCourty at their pick and I think Dallas would have taken him if available but New England likely would have taken him at 24 anyway. Odrick and Wilson were probably their other guys, I wonder if there was interest in Saffold.

I think the 3rd round pick is easier with Navarro Bowman being the pick.